Milwaukee man charged for not paying child support after posting fb pict of him posing with some cas - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Swiket;40014699]Reminds me of this. [img]http://i.imgur.com/frL1Y.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] this is a stupid picture that sexist dudes on /b/ and r/mensrights post to jerk eachother off about how terrible women and child support are maybe, just maybe, she used her own money earlier in the month to pay for her childs needs, and just got her child support to recoup the money she spent out of pocket from before, so now she has spending money for things like boots? maybe??

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40014661]um it's not one person who has a choice. men are totally entitled to abort babies that live inside their womb. if they are pregnent then they are allowed complete sovereignty over their body, or at least should.[/QUOTE] Except that is not the case so we should try to make things as fair as we can we the hand we were dealt. Like I said above, if a man doesn't want to pay child support then the woman should be given the option to abort or keep the baby but the baby has no influence from the father including financially. You said that woman have complete sovereignty over their body, including the child. If that's the case than the child should be under her ownership by extension, if that's the case then the man doesn't own the baby and therefore should not have to pay child support for it. If the woman isn't ready for the baby and does not have the mans financial support then the option for abortion is always available. [QUOTE=Kopimi;40014675] people keep saying this but honestly what's your point? that's nature. sorry. there's nothing we can do about it without abolishing child support (bad) or letting men force women into abortions (really fucking bad)[/QUOTE] Like I said above, why can't those things be done? A man should not have to pay child support, because to me that is worse than a force abortion which in reality is just a moment of your time to make sure no ones life is debilitated by the child, it causes virtually no medical problems and if any problems arise they can easily be solved. Child support is however a money leech that lasts 21 years and can cause mental stress, which in turn leads to health problems. The man earns the money that is then taken away by the mother and child, he should have been given the option to cut off all ties to the mother and child including financially, or allow the child to be aborted. If the woman actually needs that mans child support but cannot get it then she should just get an abortion, a man is not given this choice oddly enough.

[QUOTE=supersoldier58;40014735]Except that is not the case so we should try to make things as fair as we can we the hand we were dealt. Like I said above, if a man doesn't want to pay child support then the woman should be given the option to abort or keep the baby but the baby has no influence from the father including financially. You said that woman have complete sovereignty over their body, including the child. If that's the case than the child should be under her ownership by extension, if that's the case then the man doesn't own the baby and therefore should not have to pay child support for it. If the woman isn't ready for the baby and does not have the mans financial support then the option for abortion is always available.[/QUOTE] but that's forcing women into abortions and stuff. how about people have sovereignty over their bodies AND they have responsibility for their child? or is equal rights too hard?

[QUOTE=supersoldier58;40014735]Except that is not the case so we should try to make things as fair as we can we the hand we were dealt. Like I said above, if a man doesn't want to pay child support then the woman should be given the option to abort or keep the baby but the baby has no influence from the father including financially. You said that woman have complete sovereignty over their body, [B]including the child[/B]. If that's the case than [B]the child should be under her ownership by extension[/B], if that's the case then [B]the man doesn't own the baby and therefore should not have to pay child support[/B] for it. If the woman isn't ready for the baby and does not have the mans financial support then the option for abortion is always available.[/QUOTE] you have a very strange understanding of "ownership" women already have the option to abort a baby, so essentially all you're suggesting is we get rid of child support

[QUOTE=NoDachi;40013483]Here comes FPs teenage male persecution complex again. If you're not prepared to pay for child support then stop putting your baby maker into people.[/QUOTE] Isn't that abstinence though?

Did you completely avoid the point I made? They are not being forced into an abortion, the man has the option to choose to be cut from all relations to the mother including financially, if the mother cannot support this child then she should get an abortion, simple as that. However if the mans life cannot support the child support than what is he going to do? He cannot abort the child that is half him, half the DNA he owns, yet the woman can which is completely unfair. Like I said above, child support can be far worse than abortion yet everyone is completely oblivious to this problem.

um child support scales with income. there is no way someone can't pay child support.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;40014800]you have a very strange understanding of "ownership" women already have the option to abort a baby, so essentially all you're suggesting is we get rid of child support[/QUOTE] Honestly I am trying my best to word this to get past the block that some people have that child responsibility are fair between the man and woman, which is not true. A essentially a woman is given child support (which is the child itself) but has the option to refuse (an abortion), a man is given child support but has no option what so ever because his child is apparently not owned by him as well as the mother when it is conceived.

the child is not in his body so he doesn't get a say over whether the baby is aborted or not. how are you not getting this?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40014931]the child is not in his body so he doesn't get a say over whether the baby is aborted or not. how are you not getting this?[/QUOTE] He's arguing about child support, not the birth of the child.

[img]http://www.cwu.edu/wellness/sites/cts.cwu.edu.wellness/files/images/condoms.jpg[/img] sometimes i dont understand why people just dont use these

[QUOTE=Lamar;40014190]If you're not prepared to bear a child then stop letting people put things in your baby maker. Its a two way street,[/QUOTE] If a woman wants to give birth but not support the child should she be able to just pass it off onto the father? Since you're all about fairness I'd assume your answer is yes - if men are allowed to get "financial abortions" then women should be able to do it too. Next question: have you set aside some money in your budget for the extra taxes that'll be required when the foster system explodes to an unmanageable level? And what about all the children who are going to grow up without stable homes? When do they get considered?

If he doesn't get any rights over what happens to the child then why does he have to pay? how are you not getting this? [QUOTE=Chicken_Chaser;40014982]He's arguing about child support, not the birth of the child. I think at least.[/QUOTE] Correct, I do realize my argument seems a bit all over the place, I am rushing it a bit.

[QUOTE=supersoldier58;40014989]If he doesn't get any rights over what happens to the child then why does he have to pay? how are you not getting this?[/QUOTE] because a child isn't a fucking toaster oven it's a living being

[QUOTE=supersoldier58;40014989]If he doesn't get any rights over what happens to the child then why does he have to pay? how are you not getting this?[/QUOTE] Because if you make a kid you're obligated to make the kid's life not be shitty

It's a living being that is no different than the cells on your hand when its in abortion range, it has no brain inside that time limit. Killing those cells would be no different than the cells killed by the physical stress of child support (21 years of it). [QUOTE=Zeke129;40015031]Because if you make a kid you're obligated to make the kid's life not be shitty[/QUOTE] If the mother thinks the kids life will be bad then she can abort it before it develops a brain. If she doesn't want to get an abortion then I guess she shouldn't have been with someone until she was capable of supporting it. (I don't see this as any different than the argument of a man shouldn't have been with a woman if he didn't want to pay child support??)

the misogyny in this thread is astounding

I am not hating on women at all, I think that men deserve the same rights as them is all, a society is better when things aren't biased and are instead fair.

[QUOTE=mr kjerr;40015098]the misogyny in this thread is astounding[/QUOTE] He isn't arguing for forced abortions or slut shaming.

no he's arguing that men should have the choice whether to take care of their children or not and women shouldn't.

Um, please tell me where I said women shouldn't have the choice to take care of their children? I arguing that men should have the choice on whether or not they want to take care of a child, a choice that women already have. I am not arguing to diminish women rights at all, I am arguing that men should have their rights increased to match that of a woman's.

[QUOTE=supersoldier58;40015191]I am arguing that men should have their rights increased to match that of a woman's.[/QUOTE] So men should have to pay for a medical procedure if they don't want to take care of a child?

[QUOTE=supersoldier58;40014590]Why should one have more power than the other when they both were involved equally?[/QUOTE] A guy just gets rid of a load and that's it. It shouldn't be considered equal when the women is physically strained for 9 months and has a chance of dying while giving birth. There's also the fact that in America abortions aren't legal in every state and women are reportedly getting paid less than men almost everywhere. I've seen women lose desk jobs and get fired before planning unpaid maternity leave (right after someone found out they were pregnant). If you get into a relationship you should know the risks and actually care enough in the first place to at least have some caution. There are some flaws with the child support system but it's definitely better than nothing, especially in a capitalist system where people need to pay medical bills and one gender usually loses blood once a month while obviously getting the short end of the stick.

they are already allowed to shirk the responsibility of being a parent, you are saying that they should be able to shirk financial responsibility too. if a man leaves and doesn't pay any child support the woman is left with little other choices

The cost for an abortion should be divided equally between the man and the woman, even 75% for the man and 25% for the woman, since they won't have to deal with the temporary side effects.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;40013483]Here comes FPs teenage male persecution complex again. If you're not prepared to pay for child support then stop putting your baby maker into people.[/QUOTE] Sex in modern society is such a recreational, everyday thing that it's not really that simple. If you're going with that approach, you might as well take the Christian route of "saving it for marriage".

[QUOTE=Donman;40015215]A guy just gets rid of a load and that's it. It shouldn't be considered equal when the women is physically strained for 9 months and has a chance of dying while giving birth. There's also the fact that in America abortions aren't legal in every state and women are reportedly getting paid less than men almost everywhere. I've seen women lose desk jobs and get fired before planning unpaid maternity leave (right after someone found out they were pregnant). If you get into a relationship you should know the risks and actually care enough in the first place to at least have some caution. There are some flaws with the child support system but it's definitely better than nothing, especially in a capitalist system where people need to pay medical bills and one gender usually loses blood once a month while obviously getting the short end of the stick.[/QUOTE] But the woman doesn't have to be strained, she can get an abortion. A man will be strained for 21 years if he is forced to pay child support. There isn't really a way to make it 100% fair for both parties, but we can try our best to get the next best thing, which is not the way the child support system is currently designed.

[QUOTE=omggrass;40008966]what about the cases where the woman sabotages the condoms, or stores the sperm to "trap" a man into paying child support, thus ruining his lively hood?[/QUOTE] i'm sure it must be great fun to ruin your own body with the effect of pregnancy, having to work to support your kid, and having to raise him/her for 21 years just to get a check of 300 dollars per month do you seriously believe the spermjacking stuff hahaha

[QUOTE=supersoldier58;40014910]Honestly I am trying my best to word this to get past the block that some people have that child responsibility are fair between the man and woman, which is not true. A essentially a woman is given child support (which is the child itself) but has the option to refuse (an abortion), a man is given child support but has no option what so ever because his child is apparently not owned by him as well as the mother when it is conceived.[/QUOTE] it doesn't matter how you try to word it, all you're proposing is that we get rid of child support. women already have the option to have an abortion so yes that is literally all you're saying. [QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;40015282]i'm sure it must be great fun to ruin your own body with the effect of pregnancy, having to work to support your kid, and having to raise him/her for 21 years just to get a check of 300 dollars per month do you seriously believe the spermjacking stuff hahaha[/QUOTE] no max you do not understand this is an epidemic in high school my friend told me his uncles dad's friend had this happen to him its very serious and commonplace

im so handsome and smart, every lady is trying to spermjack me so im forced to stay with them!!!