Milwaukee man charged for not paying child support after posting fb pict of him posing with some cas - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;40015254]Sex in modern society is such a recreational, everyday thing that it's not really that simple. If you're going with that approach, you might as well take the Christian route of "saving it for marriage".[/QUOTE] No, but recognise that there is a potential to get someone pregnant. Even condoms can fail. But its a chance [I]you[/I] take.

[QUOTE=omggrass;40008966]what about the cases where the woman sabotages the condoms, or stores the sperm to "trap" a man into paying child support, thus ruining his lively hood?[/QUOTE] This reminds me of that one case where a sperm donor was sued by a Lesbian couple for child support. [editline]23rd March 2013[/editline] That case alone makes me not want to ever donate to a sperm bank. Freak incidents like that happen.

[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;40015254]Sex in modern society is such a recreational, everyday thing that it's not really that simple. If you're going with that approach, you might as well take the Christian route of "saving it for marriage".[/QUOTE] You are responsible for your actions. Having sex can result in pregnancy. The fact that a guy was having sex just for the pleasure doesn't mean anything in terms of who is responsible for child support. It's wrong to suggest there are only two options, freely available sex or some kind of abstinence(religious or not). A third option exists, do what you want but understand that you will be held financially accountable for the outcome.

[QUOTE=KILLTHIS;40009209]Simple as it is: You've had sex, she gave birth, now you're father, no matter what.[/QUOTE] Ok, hypothetical situation: You were raped by a woman and she gets pregnant/gives birth. Do you have to pay your rapist child support now?

[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;40016464]Ok, hypothetical situation: You were raped by a woman and she gets pregnant/gives birth. Do you have to pay your rapist child support now?[/QUOTE] No? You didn't consent to procreation, simulated or otherwise. Its not relevant. I don't think rapists have to pay child support.

Abortions aren't the only way to not have to keep a child, adoption is an option as well. The bottom line is that a fair share of responsibility lands on the mother as well, she isn't completely innocent and it's totally the male's fault for not wearing a condom he deserves to pay child support yadda yadda yadda. If a woman can't support the child then she has no business having the child, it's ridiculous for two people to make a mistake but one gets to have everything their way. If a father is unwilling to pay child support, it should be up to the woman whether she wants to struggle trying to support a child she had no business having or give it up for adoption. Why is the male the only one who is forced to make a sacrifice, the only one who has no choice? I just believe responsibility for a child falls equally into each parent's hands. If one chooses not to support the child (which they should have a right to, whether they are male or female) then it is up to the other person whether they want to keep it or not. It shouldn't be a case of, "Well this is what I want to do so fuck you you're going to do it whether you want to or not." It's wrong to put anyone, male or female, into that situation.

so what about the mental trauma that comes with the destruction of something you care completely about. a baby IS 50% your and it's your prospective future, i'm sure getting no say in whether the woman destroys your child would have HUGE mental ramifications, many sleepless nights and probably chronic depression. oh wait, never mind no one cares about the father's mental well being.

I don't trust women at all, so I just keep to myself most of the time. It's a pretty good system, to be honest.

[QUOTE=supersoldier58;40015234]The cost for an abortion should be divided equally between the man and the woman, even 75% for the man and 25% for the woman, since they won't have to deal with the temporary side effects.[/QUOTE] No it shouldn't, why should men get any rights or responsibilities at all when it comes to abortion? (Aside from not forcing people to get / not get abortions)

Im surprised so many in this thread fail to understand the simple reality that the mother having all the choice and control over the child while the father can be forced to pay without any choice or even access to the child is an unequal paradigm. Furthermore, the fact that it's even plausible to do that sperm hawk shit is the problem. And then there are the geniuses here who are making the fundamentally flawed "everything that happens to you is your fault" responsibility argument. "You walked down that street, therefore it's your responsibility that you got mugged." is the same reasoning.

[QUOTE=Craig Willmore;40008210]except most abortions occur when both the mother and father agree or the father abandons the mother?[/QUOTE] And that has nothing to do with that he said. [QUOTE=Wizards Court;40008457]cause its the women's body, also most tend to forget that the reasoning behind it is "the child's interests are the most important thing".[/QUOTE] And the mans DNA.