[QUOTE=Sobotnik;36833061]There wasn't a class struggle though, many people were quite happy within the system and only revolted when a lord was acting like a dick.[/QUOTE]
marx believed that class struggle always existed when one class was aware of their difference with another class.
basically there's always class struggle unless society is class-less.
you can disagree with that notion, but it doesn't really change anything about the theory.
though i agree with marxist theory of history, i disagree with marx on how society should resolve.
marxist economics has far more opposition.
[editline]18th July 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;36833083]it begins again[/QUOTE]
oh shut up
me and sobotnik are having a light conversation about marxism. you don't have to stick your dick into it.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;36833090]It ever really ended?[/QUOTE]
Well it did for a moment.
It was like "oh, the thread is derailed and the topic subject is gone"
.....
"marxism is dumb" "no, yur dumb"
My fault really, shouldn't expect any relevant thread content beyond page 5.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;36833115]Well it did for a moment.
It was like "oh, the thread is derailed and the topic subject is gone"
.....
"marxism is dumb" "no, yur dumb"
My fault really, shouldn't expect any relevant thread content beyond page 5.[/QUOTE]It doesn't really seem to be going that route though, they just seem to be debating with each other. May be an odd place for it but that's the nature of Facepunch really.
[QUOTE=acidcj;36833118](from earlier)
[img]http://i.imgur.com/bEXqk.png[/img][/QUOTE]
I hope someone can get the site back and running so we can have fun with it again.
[QUOTE=thisispain;36833096]marx believed that class struggle always existed when one class was aware of their difference with another class.
basically there's always class struggle unless society is class-less.
you can disagree with that notion, but it doesn't really change anything about the theory.[/QUOTE]
The issue however is that this idea can very easily find things that back up the view that there is a class system in place. Classes didn't really exist in a feudal system, but Marxists can quite easily take things out of context and look at things from their own point in time, and not from how people then saw things in their own time.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;36833207]Marxists can quite easily take things out of context and look at things from their own point in time[/QUOTE]
honestly that's the point of marxism. it's not an attempt to get the most accurate view of history, it's an attempt to understand why it happened like that, with marx having one view and all the people after him adapting or changing that view.
marxism only started with karl marx, it didn't end with him.
[QUOTE=thisispain;36833252]it's not an attempt to get the most accurate view of history[/QUOTE]
Herein lies the problem. Quite often Marxism is guilty of confirmation bias. It can't even be called a scientific theory, because it does not hold up to the rigours of the scientific method. Can Marxism be falsified?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;36833329]Herein lies the problem. Quite often Marxism is guilty of confirmation bias. It can't even be called a scientific theory, because it does not hold up to the rigours of the scientific method. Can Marxism be falsified?[/QUOTE]
what do you think about sociology?
[QUOTE=thisispain;36833353]what do you think about sociology?[/QUOTE]
Well it's rather broad and covering a wide area isn't it? Some of it can be quite good and sensible.
[QUOTE=thisispain;36833353]what do you think about sociology?[/QUOTE]Sociology is such a broad field that you should probably narrow it down. There are plenty of aspects that can hold up to the scientific method and plenty that probably wouldn't if challenged.
[editline]18th July 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;36833376]Well it's rather broad and covering a wide area isn't it? Some of it can be quite good and sensible.[/QUOTE]Exactly.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;36833376]Well it's rather broad and covering a wide area isn't it? Some of it can be quite good and sensible.[/QUOTE]
marxist theory is part of sociology i would say. it's different from science because people don't reproduce results every time you test it.
in that way you can say it can't be falsified, because it relies on observation and interpretation, not hypothesis and re-creation.
[editline]18th July 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;36833396]Sociology is such a broad field that you should probably narrow it down. There are plenty of aspects that can hold up to the scientific method and plenty that probably wouldn't if challenged.[/QUOTE]
no no the point is that sociology isn't based around reproducible evidence.
So me posting instantly makes you fight.
wow
I don't think it's really fair to call this hacking.
The password and username was admin.
That's like leaving your front door wide open and complaining about break and enter.
snip for safety--be safe be snipped
[QUOTE=Untouch;36833473]I don't think it's really fair to call this hacking.
The password and username was admin.
That's like leaving your front door wide open and complaining about break and enter.[/QUOTE]
We all know this
idiots call it "hacking" though
[QUOTE=thisispain;36833441]
no no the point is that sociology isn't based around reproducible evidence.[/QUOTE]
Repeated behavioral trends aren't reproducible evidence?
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;36834581]Repeated behavioral trends aren't reproducible evidence?[/QUOTE]
uh no
you don't reproduce repeated behavioral trends, you observe them and create an interpretation based on that event.
the key to proving something in science is listing the details so anyone with the capability to recreate it could recreate it.
so how did a silly joke played on poor website admins turn into a discussion about marxism
[QUOTE=ajrhug;36834968]so how did a silly joke played on poor website admins turn into a discussion about marxism[/QUOTE]
Welcome to Sensationalist Headlines.
[QUOTE=Dori;36826621]FP doesn't have people regularly spamming pictures of gore and CP and calling people niggers ironically[/QUOTE]
Do you even visit 4chan? I frequent there maybe every other day and I can assure that it is not full of gore or CP. I've seen about 2 CP threads in all my time browsing 4chan. Gore is seen occasionally though but not regularly. Though people do call each other niggers pretty often. Stop stating things that are incorrect.
I'd like to also mention that this is only on /b/.
Oh, and I dislike you.
[QUOTE=Arctic Snow;36836698]Do you even visit 4chan? I frequent there maybe every other day and I can assure that it is not full of gore or CP. I've seen about 2 CP threads in all my time browsing 4chan. Gore is seen occasionally though but not regularly. Though people do call each other niggers pretty often. Stop stating things that are incorrect.
I'd like to also mention that this is only on /b/.
Oh, and I dislike you.[/QUOTE]
seriously, who cares about 4chan's reputation?
[QUOTE=usa;36823964][img]http://i.imgur.com/TmHry.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
do i dare visit the pastebin url
Someone make the main page redirect to 1man1jar
[QUOTE=pessimistic;36846419]Someone make the main page redirect to 1man1jar[/QUOTE]
currently the main page just "redirects" to a 404.
[QUOTE=Nannak;36825002]It's no Joke (This is a common defense argument) and even if it was it's still not funny either way.
You just made a hypocritical argument. They're literally the same thing and it's very clearly that this was a misogynist attack.
It's also evidence that Nerd Culture is dominated by white males who attack anyone who is considered 'minorities' (women, people of color) which mirrors what the capitalist system is intended for....[/QUOTE]
You sound like a little bitch.
Learn to joke or get off the internet.
[editline]20th July 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;36826801]1) I have been browsing 4chan for 4 years and I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen people encourage gore threads. I mean yeah they happen a bit too often for my liking but most everyone sages, hides and reports the thread, and it is summarily deleted.
2) Raiding is out of fashion and is recognised as an embarrassment.
3) Both of the above are true for Facepunch.[/QUOTE]
1) I think you're wrong with gore threads. For one, I see them all the time. I was actually in one an hour ago.
2) It's really how you define 'raiding'. Like, everyday I see threads where tons of people go to Adalia Rose's facebook and just spam her with 'Alien' and telling her to kill herself. This might be classed as 'raiding' by some, but for others it's not.
3) I only think it's because Facepunch has more morals than 4chan, only because the fear of getting banned, because there's always fucking mods about, or maybe because you're not anonymous when you post.
For one, if I think all the mods in Facepunch just stopped logging in, Facepunch would turn into something of a twin of /b/
did no one download the site at its final stage of defacement? i really wanted to see this :/
Site is back up.
So, I can't wait for it to be ruined again.
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Is this normal?
Assholes deserved it, but then again, it's not really a punishment because 4Chan raids mostly are either a trainwreck or extremely humorous.
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