[QUOTE=Warhol;23021115]you don't seem to understand that burglars are humans too
you think talking is out of the question.[/QUOTE]
If my family could be at risk, I would rather take action.
[QUOTE=the_KMM;23021118]alright I'm going to walk into your house Warhol and start taking your stuff
what will you do about it
I know you won't hurt me so I'll piss on your carpet while carrying all your valuables out with me
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?
[QUOTE=the_KMM;23021152]then what will you do
call the cops? I'll be long gone[/QUOTE]
you must be one fucking fast person if you can get out of the entire area in 5 minutes.
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[QUOTE=Shadowcat123;23021162]If my family could be at risk, I would rather take action.[/QUOTE]
if i'm stealing your shit, your kids are of no concern to me
[QUOTE=Warhol;23021200]
if i'm stealing your shit, your kids are of no concern to me[/QUOTE]
It would not matter, you dare break into my house when my family is home I am going to assume there is a chance you may harm them. The true fact is a person will never know what someone is going to do, and like a sensible I would rather not find out.
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Gunfox's post pretty much covers my argument.
[QUOTE=Warhol;23021115]you don't seem to understand that burglars are humans too
you think talking is out of the question.[/QUOTE]
Of course. If they don't pose an immediate threat you demand that they surrender. If they in turn escalate with anything other than fleeing or complying, *then* they die. That is generally the courtesy you extend to other human beings.
However, that said, it puts you at risk to take such actions. So while I would perform the above, I have no problem with people shooting people they have confirmed to be intruders without warning. The person who broke into the home has no right to expect that the homeowner will risk their own life to preserve the life of the intruder.
Another thing you fail to take into account is that it isn't hard to determine if people are home. People who break into EMPTY houses are very different than people willing to break into a house that has people in it. If they are kicking in a door of an occupied home, then they are not nice people.
OH HEY AMUTE IS BEING ANTI GUN AGAIN WHO WOULD'VE GUESSED IT. Because shooting someone means they die right. It's impossible to aim for anything but a headshot.
Also, being poor is not an argument for stealing. If you're that desperate, get a job. Seek aid. Stealing from people who worked for what they have is immoral no matter what way you slice it.
[QUOTE=S3CURiTR0N;23021327]OH HEY AMUTE IS BEING ANTI GUN AGAIN WHO WOULD'VE GUESSED IT. Because shooting someone means they die right. It's impossible to aim for anything but a headshot.
Also, being poor is not an argument for stealing. If you're that desperate, get a job. Seek aid. Stealing from people who worked for what they have is immoral no matter what way you slice it.[/QUOTE]
It's also just plain ineffective. You get virtually nothing from even a semi decent robbery.
Gunshots don't kill people. Gosh. Load a gun with [B]edit:[/B] rock salt cartridges and the guy won't die he'll just get hurt really badly.
When you know it won't kill the guy you also don't hesitate as much as if you knew he was going to die. (lesson for self defense)
[QUOTE=Warhol;23021200]you must be one fucking fast person if you can get out of the entire area in 5 minutes.
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if i'm stealing your shit, your kids are of no concern to me[/QUOTE]
you assume the cops will arrive in five minutes?
lol
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;23021376]Gunshots don't kill people. Gosh. Load a gun with a birdshot and the guy won't die he'll just get hurt really badly.
When you know it won't kill the guy you also don't hesitate as much as if you knew he was going to die. (lesson for self defense)[/QUOTE]
Inside a house birdshot will still kill. You will just mutilate the guy and he will bleed out on your floor.
Birdshot is only non-lethal at longer ranges where it has a chance to actually spread.
[QUOTE=GunFox;23021338]It's also just plain ineffective. You get virtually nothing from even a semi decent robbery.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. Most small things of worth (Ipod, phone, jewellry) are either kept on your person or locked away and you can't exactly bugger off with a TV or drum kit.
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[QUOTE=zombiefreak;23021376]Gunshots don't kill people. Gosh. Load a gun with a birdshot and the guy won't die he'll just get hurt really badly.
When you know it won't kill the guy you also don't hesitate as much as if you knew he was going to die. (lesson for self defense)[/QUOTE]
Also, wrong. You'd use rock salt cartridges.
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;23021376]Gunshots don't kill people. Gosh. Load a gun with a birdshot and the guy won't die he'll just get hurt really badly.
When you know it won't kill the guy you also don't hesitate as much as if you knew he was going to die. (lesson for self defense)[/QUOTE]
That's a really stupid statement honestly. You shouldnt even consider pulling the trigger unless you KNOW the person is a threat. And when you determine that they are a threat, you should eliminate the threat as quickly as possible. Trying to eliminate a threat by shooting to wound is retarded.
[QUOTE=Timebomb757;23021449]That's a really stupid statement honestly. You shouldnt even consider pulling the trigger unless you KNOW the person is a threat. And when you determine that they are a threat, you should eliminate the threat as quickly as possible. [B]Trying to eliminate a threat by shooting to wound is retarded.[/B][/QUOTE]
It's subconscious though.
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;23021468]It's subconscious though.[/QUOTE]
What is? You bolded my whole post...
[QUOTE=GunFox;23021435][B]Inside a house birdshot will still kill. You will just mutilate the guy and he will bleed out on your floor.
Birdshot is only non-lethal at longer ranges where it has a chance to actually spread.[/B][/QUOTE]
Didn't know that, I was taught that birdshot is nonlethal.
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[QUOTE=Timebomb757;23021480]What is?[/QUOTE]
You resisting for a split second.
[QUOTE=Warhol;23021200]you must be one fucking fast person if you can get out of the entire area in 5 minutes.
[/QUOTE]
Hello, this is the rest of the United States. We would like to inform you that, for those of us who don't live in one of the largest cities in the nation, police assistance is often 20+ minutes away.
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;23021481]Didn't know that, I was taught that birdshot is nonlethal.[/QUOTE]
Maybe you were thinking of Stinger shells?
[QUOTE=GunFox;23021492]Hello, this is the rest of the United States. We would like to inform you that, for those of us who don't live in one of the largest cities in the nation, police assistance is often 20+ minutes away.[/QUOTE]
Even in Los Angeles police take a fucking long time to get somewhere.
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[QUOTE=S3CURiTR0N;23021497]Maybe you were thinking of Stinger shells?[/QUOTE]
Nope, birdshot. Thanks for the info though.
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;23021376]Gunshots don't kill people. Gosh. Load a gun with a birdshot and the guy won't die he'll just get hurt really badly.
When you know it won't kill the guy you also don't hesitate as much as if you knew he was going to die. (lesson for self defense)[/QUOTE]
...birdshot won't kill a person?
uhhhhhhh
[QUOTE=Warhol;23021127]OH HEY, where did I say that
fuck you people can only do this "warhol SAYS" "warhol THINKS"
create a motherfucking argument instead of this ad hom nonsense.
[editline]04:10AM[/editline]
if you do, i won't hurt you.[/QUOTE]
Get out you hippie. I told you 2 pages ago. Get out.
Go to one of those peace protests or whatever. Hug a tree.
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birdshoot is like a fucking blast of metal and shit and it just fucks up everything
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;23021481]
You resisting for a split second.
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You shouldn't deliberately shoot to wound, you might not entirely eliminate the threat. Wounded people can still fight back in many cases.
[QUOTE=Warhol;23021540]birdshoot is like a fucking blast of metal and shit and it just fucks up everything[/QUOTE]
I corrected myself and said I was wrong.
[QUOTE=Viephemeral;23021539]Get out you hippie. I told you 2 pages ago. Get out.
Go to one of those peace protests or whatever. Hug a tree.[/QUOTE]
lol, because if you're anti-violence, you're a hippie and that's bad?
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[QUOTE=Timebomb757;23021555]You shouldn't deliberately shoot to wound, you might not entirely eliminate the threat. Wounded people can still fight back in many cases.[/QUOTE]
if my leg is fucked up with a bullet, then i'm not really going to do much else
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[QUOTE=Warhol;23021557]lol, because if you're anti-violence, you're a hippie and that's bad?
[editline]04:38AM[/editline]
if my leg is fucked up with a bullet or zombiefreak's birdshot, then i'm not really going to do much else[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Timebomb757;23021555]You shouldn't deliberately shoot to wound, you might not entirely eliminate the threat. Wounded people can still fight back in many cases.[/QUOTE]
As I said, it's subconcious and if you have a nonlethal round and then a lethal round right after that (such as a JHP, or a buckshot or slug) that would (from what I have learned) be ideal in a self defense situation.
[QUOTE=GunFox;23021492]Hello, this is the rest of the United States. We would like to inform you that, for those of us who don't live in one of the largest cities in the nation, police assistance is often 20+ minutes away.[/QUOTE]
who is going to rob your house in the middle of ass nowhere
what the fuck do you have of value?
[QUOTE=Warhol;23021601]who is going to rob your house in the middle of ass nowhere
what the fuck do you have of value?[/QUOTE]
Wow are you stupid or what. HEY I LIVE IN THE STICKS THEREFORE I HAVE NOTHING OF VALUE.
It's not like land outside cities is actually more valuble in many cases. Fuck, I had a friend who lived about 2hrs away from the nearest large town, rich motherfucker with a house full of expensive shit. Your argument fails.
I would be damn proud if I was the father
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