• Boy, 15, grabs father's rifle and shoots intruder
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[QUOTE=Warhol;23021557] if my leg is fucked up with a bullet, then i'm not really going to do much else[/QUOTE] True, but there have been cases (PCP) where people still fight back despite being wounded. Again though, you really should only be pulling that trigger if the person is a threat. And if they are threatening your life, you should do anything necessary to completely and undoubtedly eliminate the threat.
[QUOTE=S3CURiTR0N;23021613]Wow are you stupid or what. HEY I LIVE IN THE STICKS THEREFORE I HAVE NOTHING OF VALUE. It's not like land outside cities is actually more valuble in many cases. Fuck, I had a friend who lived about 2hrs away from the nearest large town, rich motherfucker with a house full of expensive shit. Your argument fails.[/QUOTE] how, pray tell, would a poor criminal get to, let alone find out about this one guy 2 hours away?
Fuck if I know, but that's not the point. Saying 'you live outside of civilization therefore you have nothing of value and will not be robbed' is dumb. That was the point.
[QUOTE=Timebomb757;23021668]And if they are threatening your life, you should do anything necessary to completely and undoubtedly eliminate the threat.[/QUOTE] a while ago, some chav asshole kept sending me death threats, should i go hunt him down and fucking kill him? [editline]04:45AM[/editline] [QUOTE=S3CURiTR0N;23021686]Fuck if I know, but that's not the point. Saying 'you live outside of civilization therefore you have nothing of value and will not be robbed' is dumb. That was the point.[/QUOTE] what the fuck do you mean that's not the point?
[QUOTE=Warhol;23021601]who is going to rob your house in the middle of ass nowhere what the fuck do you have of value?[/QUOTE] Hi, this is the suburbs calling to inform you that we cover a large amount of real estate. Because of the low density of population in such locations compared to a city, the taxes are also lower, as such, we have fewer police for a substantially larger geographical area. If there is a serious incident then sheriff's deputies are rerouted to assist in the situation. It will take a while, if at all, for the police to arrange for suitable additions to the patrols that evening. Causing an even further gap in police coverage.
[QUOTE=Warhol;23021672]how, pray tell, would a poor criminal get to, let alone find out about this one guy 2 hours away?[/QUOTE] If he was famous.
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;23021592]As I said, it's subconcious and if you have a nonlethal round and then a lethal round right after that (such as a JHP, or a buckshot or slug) that would (from what I have learned) be ideal in a self defense situation.[/QUOTE] What? Why would you have a non lethal round in the tube first? If the person turns out to be a threat, its not going to be pretty when your first round doesn't drop them.
[QUOTE=Warhol;23021687][B]a while ago, some chav asshole kept sending me death threats, should i go hunt him down and fucking kill him? [/B] [/QUOTE] He's not an immediate threat. [editline]08:47PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Timebomb757;23021717]What? Why would you have a non lethal round in the tube first? If the person turns out to be a threat, its not going to be pretty when your first round doesn't drop them.[/QUOTE] You make a good point there. I need to refresh on my home defense sht.
[QUOTE=Warhol;23021687]a while ago, some chav asshole kept sending me death threats, should i go hunt him down and fucking kill him? [/QUOTE] Twisting words. When I say threat, I mean a direct and immediate threat to your life. Edit: ninjas all up in here.
[QUOTE=Warhol;23021687]a while ago, some chav asshole kept sending me death threats, should i go hunt him down and fucking kill him? [/QUOTE] where do you live? Help me understand your perspective.
[QUOTE=Warhol;23021557] if my leg is fucked up with a bullet, then i'm not really going to do much else [/QUOTE] A leg shot is actually the worse possible shot you could make verses a determined attacker. A shot to the leg is not, as you suggest, crippling when the target is angry and running on adrenaline anyways. The central nervous system is entirely capable of ignoring the pain in order for the attacker to carry out his intended attack. But we will assume it was effective. What happens when it turns out you nicked his femoral artery and he bleeds out on your floor? You go to jail. That's what. Because you thought he wasn't a threat worthy of a chest shot, but shot anyways. You ONLY SHOOT FOR THE CHEST. If you don't believe he is enough of a threat to shoot in the chest, then you shouldn't be shooting him. Or scenario three is that you hit him in the kneecap and permanently cripple him. He brings you up in civil court and tells his sob story about he can't rob houses and rape babies anymore with his bum leg and suddenly you have to declare bankruptcy because that asshole just took everything you owned legally. No. Shoot for the chest several times. If that fails to stop, then the head. It's all or nothing.
[QUOTE=Warhol;23021687]what the fuck do you mean that's not the point?[/QUOTE] You can't say 'you live in the sticks and own nothing of value and therefor won't get burgled'. That's fucking dumb.
Someone living in the sticks is the ideal robbery target
15 pages and the guy didn't even die.
[url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=857979[/url] Reference material. I loved that thread. Was so much fun.
The kid should go to jail
[QUOTE=saucekeg;23021912]The kid should go to jail[/QUOTE] My sarcasm meter just went off the charts. I hope its not malfunctioning.
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[QUOTE=GunFox;23021774]A leg shot is actually the worse possible shot you could make verses a determined attacker. A shot to the leg is not, as you suggest, crippling when the target is angry and running on adrenaline anyways. The central nervous system is entirely capable of ignoring the pain in order for the attacker to carry out his intended attack. But we will assume it was effective. What happens when it turns out you nicked his femoral artery and he bleeds out on your floor? You go to jail. That's what. Because you thought he wasn't a threat worthy of a chest shot, but shot anyways. You ONLY SHOOT FOR THE CHEST. If you don't believe he is enough of a threat to shoot in the chest, then you shouldn't be shooting him. Or scenario three is that you hit him in the kneecap and permanently cripple him. He brings you up in civil court and tells his sob story about he can't rob houses and rape babies anymore with his bum leg and suddenly you have to declare bankruptcy because that asshole just took everything you owned legally. No. Shoot for the chest several times. If that fails to stop, then the head. It's all or nothing.[/QUOTE] Two in the chest, one in the head?
Warhol doesn't seem to understand self defence
while I do think shooting a person over it is a little over board, he is 15 with a younger brother, and the stress of the situation probably got the best of him, you cant blame him, he was fully justified
Well if you tried to break into my house, I'd probably do the same.
this isnt entirely related, but its pretty cool, my sis used to be a martial art instructor, and one dude she worked with is really good and knows loads, and he was at his mums and some dude tried to rob her, it was just luck he was visiting, and the robber punched the martial art guy, and he did some funky stuff and totally shattered his arm and the dude was begging for the police to arrest him
Why the fuck do people assume that a person breaking into your house is just there to steal some stuff and not hurt anyone? I had some fucking crack head break into my house once and steal some shit. Nobody was home, but he killed all my cats, and I would assume he would have tried to kill someone if they were home. God you people are all 12 or something.
[QUOTE=Bad Spelling;23023002]Why the fuck do people assume that a person breaking into your house is just there to steal some stuff and not hurt anyone? I had some fucking crack head break into my house once and steal some shit. Nobody was home, but he killed all my cats, and I would assume he would have tried to kill someone if they were home. God you people are all 12 or something.[/QUOTE] Agreed, better to assume the worst and wound/kill a burglar than hope for the best and get abducted/murdered/beaten/raped on top of getting robbed.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;23014106]This is the boy, 50 years from now [img]http://dgt1.net/manny/mblog/images/gran_torino.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] oh shit I just noticed that's a prop gun, the barrel has no hole.
[QUOTE=the_KMM;23022584]Two in the chest, one in the head?[/QUOTE] Two in the chest and then line up a shot to the head. If you see their head in your sights at that point, then a third in the head. Otherwise just two in the chest. Two in the chest is almost universally going to stop a human, but it is possible to survive depending on shot placement, bullet type, and caliber choice. Shooting to stop, but having the intruder survive, is the best outcome of the situation for you. It shows the intruder was a direct threat and that you fired only in self defense, but the person remains alive and your ass is covered. A Mozambique stop can apparently be somewhat difficult to defend legally because it is a blatant attempt to flat out kill your target. Surprisingly it is actually easier to defend emptying the entire magazine into their chest because it is an incredibly common panic response during self defense shootings.
[QUOTE=GunFox;23023368]Two in the chest and then line up a shot to the head. If you see their head in your sights at that point, then a third in the head. Otherwise just two in the chest. Two in the chest is almost universally going to stop a human, but it is possible to survive depending on shot placement, bullet type, and caliber choice. [/QUOTE] That's why you go with a pistol gripped 12ga shotgun. You aren't likely to get up after being on the unpleasant end of 00 buck. Plus the sheer intimidation factor of racking the slide on a pump action will make most sane people turn tail or hit the floor.
[QUOTE=Timebomb757;23023526]That's why you go with a pistol gripped 12ga shotgun. You aren't likely to get up after being on the unpleasant end of 00 buck. Plus the sheer intimidation factor of racking the slide on a pump action will make most sane people turn tail or hit the floor.[/QUOTE] Are trying to kill the fucker?! And my next point would be...this kid is 15...I don't think he would know the vital organs or arteries...If I was in his shoes I would shoot the bastard in the shoulder or leg several times so the cops can detain the bastard. NOT kill him!
[QUOTE=Swilly;23023869]Are trying to kill the fucker?! And my next point would be...this kid is 15...I don't think he would know the vital organs or arteries...If I was in his shoes I would shoot the bastard in the shoulder or leg several times so the cops can detain the bastard. NOT kill him![/QUOTE] The only part of the leg you would have a chance of hitting is the thigh, in which case you have a high chance of hitting the femoral artery and killing him anyway. Edit: And good luck aiming for the shoulder, you'll probably either miss or hit a lung.
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