• Boy, 15, grabs father's rifle and shoots intruder
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[QUOTE=Sickle;23013962]Good. I hope the fuck that broke in dies of an infected wound.[/QUOTE] Wow, man, most people commit burglary out of an act of desparation.
[QUOTE=Quo Vadi;23031768]Wow, man, most people commit burglary out of an act of desparation.[/QUOTE] There are just as many people who do it simply because it's a work-free alternative to... well, working. Doesn't make a difference to me. If somebody breaks into my home while I'm here, and they don't surrender or run, they're going to get shot. Repeatedly. With a 12-gauge.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;23028167]Sure you have this, then you have the story lower down the page of two police officers being shot to death. And while you brag about guns defending yourselves from the government, you have the story that your president gets the power to turn off the internet. and though you'd like to believe guns protect people more than they kill innocents, you have 20 times the homicides we have, at only five times the population.[/QUOTE] And while you like to brag about all the successful gun restrictions, you ignore the continually rising crime that comes in the wake of them. Gun crime=/= murder. If you get robbed at gunpoint, that's a gun crime. You can get robbed an knife point, robbed with a bat, etc. So yes, in areas such as the UK gun crime is down, but crime overall is up. In areas with concealed carry, for instance, crime rates are falling.
Nasty. I guess that's alright, seeing as though someone tried to break in. But had the guy died, I still think the boy should have got a fine or something.
I'd rape a burglar if he came into my house.
[QUOTE=Warhol;23014099]lol, forget all the OTHER shit, this one isolated case is fucking proof[/QUOTE] There's no such thing as a good gun. There's no such thing as a bad gun. A gun in the hands of a bad man is a very dangerous thing. A gun in the hands of a good person is no danger to anyone except the bad guys. - Charlton Heston
[QUOTE=markg06;23026997]They're burglars for god sake not professional hostage takers[/QUOTE] How are you supposed to know? I assume you simply have magic vision that can automatically determine if the people who are breaking into your house are just mild mannered, unarmed, hobos just looking for a bite to eat, or if they are psycho killers who will skin your family alive.
[QUOTE=The Vman;23032972]How are you supposed to know? I assume you simply have magic vision that can automatically determine if the people who are breaking into your house are just mild mannered, unarmed, hobos just looking for a bite to eat, or if they are psycho killers who will skin your family alive.[/QUOTE] Also, how many are just going to allow a witness the freedom to report them. Remember that story about the seven year old boy who tried to hide with his sister in their bathroom while their parents were taken hostage? How you could hear them enter the bathroom and drag the kids out screaming for their lives? Don't be so god damned naive to think that a criminal won't do whatever it takes to keep themselves safe. Thats just fucking human. Its the survival instinct do whatever is necessary to insure our own survival. If you think that somehow, some sense of "morality" kicks in and will absolutely prevent them from taking any measure they see fit, then you are just fucking stupid and more of a danger to yourself and family and others than any person who has a firearm for self defense. If that kid hadn't been able to get the police in time, we would just have heard about a dead family. It was an incredible stroke of luck that they all survived. Are you going to actually tell me that a seven year old kid and his six year old sister could honestly sneak past several armed intruders and get away undetected? Then what about the rest of the family being held hostage? Leave them for dead? When in comes down to it, the safest option for the victims in almost every case is to draw a weapon and fire. The only possible scenario where firing isn't a good idea is if they take a person as a human shield, but even then a gun gives you more leeway. Unless you have the brain of a five year old or some other severe mental disorder, you are aware of the risks and potential consequences of breaking in to a home even if to just steal a pen. If you break in to a home, you have accepted those risks and potential consequences. At that point, if you are shot and killed, its by your own doing that you leave in a body bag. You have no one to blame but yourself.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;23029919] Fantastic. You riot, you've got guns, meaning civilians die, and the police response will be even greater and more indiscriminate. The great irony here is that you claim your guns protect you from the government, and yet the government has to protect them for you. And how many do you think will be willing to take up arms. I'm making the assumption here that the government is evil, which is inaccurate, however if the US government needed to form some sort of totalitarian government, paper and words aren't going to stop it.[/QUOTE] Paper and words won't stop a totalitarian government. Armed insurrection however, can. The Government governs only because the people will it. Without the support of the population, it's just a bunch of fat white guys in suits. Yes, an armed riot will result in deaths. The alternative is just letting the government do whatever it wants. National guard shooting at rioting civilians however is a HUGE deal and the nation would immediately erupt in a massive shitstorm of anger and retaliation against the government. Liberty or death. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings[/url] FOUR kids protesting something not even taking place on US soil. They had to evacuate the president from DC and take him to camp david because 100 thousand people showed up. The 82nd airborne was called in. When the US public decides it doesn't like what is happening, they MOVE. Only a tiny fraction (roughly 10 percent) of the nation even thought it was the fault of the guard, and yet it was more than enough to cripple DC. But no, by all means, continue to allow your government to tell you what fork to eat with. [editline]02:29PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Cloak Raider;23030025]I understand, but calling them tools and other euphamisms is missing the point. Their primary use is a weapon. What I don't understand is that you have this distrust of the government, you don't trust them with your guns, you don't trust them with your information, yet you trust them to fight your wars, keep order and the system running.[/quote] That is the point of the US Federal government. They keep the system running, provide general order to the nation, and fight our wars. The entire US system of government was setup with this being the GOAL. [quote]And riot police can hold off riots. I mean the detroit protests you had, despite being entirely legitimate, you were basically battered down, gassed and forced off by legions of shield wielding black clothed riot police. [/QUOTE] Riot police can hold off MOST riots. The LA riots went on for DAYS in spite of national guard and riot police. It took federal military forces and federal agents to bring about order again. That was from a group of cops getting off after brutally beating a guy. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LA_riots[/url] These little events cause massive damage. The government desperately tries to avoid such events and keep the populace happy because when they fail, even a little bit, the population utterly ruins their shit. I can't even imagine the destruction that would be caused if they ever did something serious to the nation. Do not underestimate civilians.
[QUOTE=Zeddy;23034257]Also, how many are just going to allow a witness the freedom to report them. -text- Unless you have the brain of a five year old or some other severe mental disorder, you are aware of the risks and potential consequences of breaking in to a home even if to just steal a pen. If you break in to a home, you have accepted those risks and potential consequences. At that point, if you are shot and killed, its by your own doing that you leave in a body bag. You have no one to blame but yourself.[/QUOTE] I can't tell if you are directing that at me, or at the guy I was replying to...
[QUOTE=mastermaul;23026930]arrogant shit[/QUOTE] for fucks sake, this is not a fucking conspiracy, mastermaul. I fucking put it DIRECTLY above the DPRK comment. Holy shit, learn to read you illeterate fuck
[QUOTE=Warhol;23035358]for fucks sake, this is not a fucking conspiracy, mastermaul. I fucking put it DIRECTLY above the DPRK comment. Holy shit, learn to read you [b]illeterate[/b] fuck[/QUOTE] Illiterate.
applause applause...good job kid
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;23028776]UK has more general crime than the US, the US just has more guncrime because there's more in circulation. Of course you never hear about guns protecting people because it either doesn't get reported or it's not newsworthy. Okay yes because bad people use guns means guns = bad this makes no sense at all.[/QUOTE] # 1 United States: 11,877,218 # 2 United Kingdom: 6,523,706 bubb uh, how does that not make sense at all lol? [editline]08:07PM[/editline] [QUOTE=GunFox;23035428]Illiterate.[/QUOTE] fuck spell check [editline]08:10PM[/editline] [QUOTE=joshdasmif;23029361]Here in the UK if a burglar breaks into your house you are not allowed to make any physical contact with him or harm him in any way otherwise you will be in a lot more trouble than the burglar is. Fucking bullshit man.[/QUOTE] first of all, you're stretching this shit a little too far, it's not at fucking black and white as you make it out to be Second of all, it's a good law. [editline]08:12PM[/editline] [QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;23029958] If we riot with guns it's probably going to be for a damn good reason. There's about 80 million gun owners in America, lets say 1% take up arms. That's 800,000 people. Riot police can barely hold off riots /without/ an armed populace.[/QUOTE] Because the riot police are at least 50+ strong against a few hundred to a thousand. In an armed conflict, they would be armed, as well as in greater numbers.
This a good thing.
[QUOTE=the_KMM;23031885]There are just as many people who do it simply because it's a work-free alternative to... well, working. Doesn't make a difference to me. If somebody breaks into my home while I'm here, and they don't surrender or run, they're going to get shot. Repeatedly. With a 12-gauge.[/QUOTE] Yes, KMM, we know, you're a fucking psychotic conservative.
[QUOTE=HammerBrute;23032125]Nasty. I guess that's alright, seeing as though someone tried to break in. But had the guy died, I still think the boy should have got a fine or something.[/QUOTE] I want you to think about what you're saying for a moment. A 15 year old boy, in his own home, with a legal firearm, in a country where breaking and entering is considered signing your own death warrant, should be fined for killing a person who was obviously not trying to open the door to do anything good.
[QUOTE=Warhol;23035455]# 1 United States: 11,877,218 # 2 United Kingdom: 6,523,706 bubb uh, how does that not make sense at all lol? [editline]08:07PM[/editline] fuck spell check [editline]08:10PM[/editline] first of all, you're stretching this shit a little too far, it's not at fucking black and white as you make it out to be Second of all, it's a good law. [editline]08:12PM[/editline] Because the riot police are at least 50+ strong against a few hundred to a thousand. In an armed conflict, they would be armed, as well as in greater numbers.[/QUOTE] that source is from 2002 bub. how is it a GOOD thing that a homeowner gets in trouble if he defends his property.
[QUOTE=Warhol;23035662]Yes, KMM, we know, you're a fucking psychotic conservative.[/QUOTE] Thank you for the compliment
[QUOTE=GunFox;23034265]Paper and words won't stop a totalitarian government. Armed insurrection however, can. The Government governs only because the people will it. Without the support of the population, it's just a bunch of fat white guys in suits. Yes, an armed riot will result in deaths. The alternative is just letting the government do whatever it wants. National guard shooting at rioting civilians however is a HUGE deal and the nation would immediately erupt in a massive shitstorm of anger and retaliation against the government. Liberty or death. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings[/url] FOUR kids protesting something not even taking place on US soil. They had to evacuate the president from DC and take him to camp david because 100 thousand people showed up. The 82nd airborne was called in. When the US public decides it doesn't like what is happening, they MOVE. Only a tiny fraction (roughly 10 percent) of the nation even thought it was the fault of the guard, and yet it was more than enough to cripple DC. But no, by all means, continue to allow your government to tell you what fork to eat with. [editline]02:29PM[/editline] That is the point of the US Federal government. They keep the system running, provide general order to the nation, and fight our wars. The entire US system of government was setup with this being the GOAL. Riot police can hold off MOST riots. The LA riots went on for DAYS in spite of national guard and riot police. It took federal military forces and federal agents to bring about order again. That was from a group of cops getting off after brutally beating a guy. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LA_riots[/url] These little events cause massive damage. The government desperately tries to avoid such events and keep the populace happy because when they fail, even a little bit, the population utterly ruins their shit. I can't even imagine the destruction that would be caused if they ever did something serious to the nation. Do not underestimate civilians.[/QUOTE] Pretty much most of the times that the people really fucked up the government, was sort of far-left wing shit. Like the Roddney King riots, or the shit during the vietnam war. One thing I do really respect about my side of the wing is, although I'm a pacifist, is we really know how combat the government. And it's experience, as well as look at the demographics. A lot of radical-left wing people are young while a lot of conservative people are... well, tea party people. [editline]08:20PM[/editline] [QUOTE=the_KMM;23035765]Thank you for the compliment[/QUOTE] You are everything that is wrong with America [editline]08:21PM[/editline] [QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;23035713]that source is from 2002 bub. how is it a GOOD thing that a homeowner gets in trouble if he defends his property.[/QUOTE] It decreases the chance you're going to blow a guys head off because he's grabbing your radio
[QUOTE=Warhol;23035774]It decreases the chance you're going to blow a guys head off because he's grabbing your radio[/QUOTE] i'd rather not shoot a man in the face but it's absolutely ridiculous you aren't allowed to defend yourself and your home if it comes to that sort of situation, he's a burglar, why should he be protected under law?
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;23035925]i'd rather not shoot a man in the face but it's absolutely ridiculous you aren't allowed to defend yourself and your home if it comes to that sort of situation, he's a burglar, why should he be protected under law?[/QUOTE] Defend yourself? if the fucking guy is robbing you, I don't think he's looking to fuck with the scared homeowner. because he's a fucking human being? [editline]08:29PM[/editline] [QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;23035713]that source is from 2002 bub.[/QUOTE] Total Homicide: US 5.9 per capita 100,000 persons. UK 1.4 per capita 100,000 persons. [url]http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/cache/ITY_OFFPUB/KS-SF-07-015/EN/KS-SF-07-015-EN.PDF[/url] [url]http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2008/data/table_01.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Warhol;23035960]Defend yourself? if the fucking guy is robbing you, I don't think he's looking to fuck with the scared homeowner. because he's a fucking human being? [editline]08:29PM[/editline] Total Homicide: US 5.9 per capita 100,000 persons. UK 1.4 per capita 100,000 persons. [URL]http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/cache/ITY_OFFPUB/KS-SF-07-015/EN/KS-SF-07-015-EN.PDF[/URL] [URL]http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2008/data/table_01.html[/URL][/QUOTE] defending your property? it's your house and he's in it trying to take your property. i said crime, not homicide. [url]http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/countries-with-highest-reported-crime-rates.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Warhol;23035960] Total Homicide: US 5.9 per capita 100,000 persons. UK 1.4 per capita 100,000 persons. [url]http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/cache/ITY_OFFPUB/KS-SF-07-015/EN/KS-SF-07-015-EN.PDF[/url] [url]http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2008/data/table_01.html[/url][/QUOTE] UK also isn't connected to mexico or has tons of gangs. [editline]12:33PM[/editline] Who get their guns illegally.
[QUOTE=Warhol;23035960]Defend yourself? if the fucking guy is robbing you, I don't think he's looking to fuck with the scared homeowner. [/QUOTE] [B]How. Do. You. Know.[/B]
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;23036052]defending your property? it's your house and he's in it trying to take your property. i said crime, not homicide. [url]http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/countries-with-highest-reported-crime-rates.html[/url][/QUOTE] There is no date, no source, no information except they REALLY want to drive home the point that Europe is apparently the most dangerous place on earth. [quote]Map of countries with the highest reported crime rates clearly indicates that countries of Europe are the least safe countries in the world. Africa and Asia even though, not that economically sound are far safer as compared to the ten countries listed on this map. [/quote]
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;23035925] he's a burglar, why should he be protected under law?[/QUOTE] In the US you apparently forfeit your human rights if you're an intruder, or have I misunderstood? There must surely be some tragic mistakes made, for example what if a drunk person tries to get into a house that's near to his and looks similar because he's too drunk to tell the difference?
[QUOTE=Warhol;23036413]There is no date, no source, no information except they REALLY want to drive home the point that Europe is apparently the most dangerous place on earth.[/QUOTE] Keep in mind that this is reported crime. I would like a source on this data though. [editline]12:50PM[/editline] [QUOTE=verynicelady;23036444]In the US you apparently forfeit your human rights if you're an intruder, or have I misunderstood? There must surely be some tragic mistakes made, for example what if a drunk person tries to get into a house that's near to his and looks similar because he's too drunk to tell the difference?[/QUOTE] His fault, let people make mistakes and take the subsequent consequences.
[QUOTE=verynicelady;23036444]In the US you apparently forfeit your human rights if you're an intruder, or have I misunderstood? There must surely be some tragic mistakes made, for example what if a drunk person tries to get into a house that's near to his and looks similar because he's too drunk to tell the difference?[/QUOTE] Well if he's in your house and he's not supposed to be it's OBVIOUSLY a plot to rape and kill your WHOLE family.
[QUOTE=Warhol;23036505]Well if he's in your house and he's not supposed to be it's OBVIOUSLY a plot to rape and kill your WHOLE family.[/QUOTE] How do you know he isn't going to do that? You have no idea why he's breaking in to your house, therefore you have the right to defend your home.
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