• Boy, 15, grabs father's rifle and shoots intruder
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[QUOTE=GunFox;23037769]From a legal standpoint, being drunk isn't an excuse. From a human standpoint, drunkards are why warnings are issued before you shoot someone in your home. If they are obviously drunk then they likely aren't a threat to anything but your carpet and perhaps the wall of your bathroom.[/QUOTE] The problem is, a ton of people in this thread are AGAINST warnings because they're paranoid schizophrenics or something
[QUOTE=Warhol;23037752]so i get drunk... my rights are forfeit simply because i chose to get drunk ok nice to see you involved with the twenty first century. [editline]09:44PM[/editline] what mystical country?[/QUOTE] no, when you get drunk, and break into someone house, you would be considered an intruder.
[QUOTE=DaChinz;23037224]Hmm, if he was just lost, I assume he tried to use his keys - you know the thing that opens the door it belongs to - but, they obviously wouldn't work. So, he started trying to break in. Oh, darn, the front door would bust, he'll just try the back door. Now, you're a teenager, someone is trying to break into the home of you and your little brother, what do you do?[/QUOTE] Call 999 then run out the front door. I'm not a murderer.
so you should be fucking shot to death?
[QUOTE=GunFox;23037769]From a legal standpoint, being drunk isn't an excuse. From a human standpoint, drunkards are why warnings are issued (or rather one of the reasons) before you shoot someone in your home. If they are obviously drunk then they likely aren't a threat to anything but your carpet and perhaps the wall of your bathroom.[/QUOTE] Not true. Intoxication is a defence that applies to most crimes (aside from the very serious ones)
[QUOTE=Warhol;23037849]so you should be fucking shot to death?[/QUOTE] Should? No. Should be liable to be? Yes.
[QUOTE=Warhol;23037807]The problem is, a ton of people in this thread are AGAINST warnings because they're paranoid schizophrenics or something[/QUOTE] Some states require them. I tend to disagree because there are situations where warnings are simply not viable. However in most cases a verbal warning before shooting them is the best plan by far for everyone involved. No civil case for assault, no legal case for murder, no blood stains, no dead guy, and probably no revenge taken against you.
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[QUOTE=The Vman;23037986]When in this entire thread did anyone say that they were against a warning? Pointing a gun at someone or firing a shot into the air is plenty of a warning. You are the one assuming that everyone would automatically grab their gun and fire without giving it a second thought. In my position, I would grab the gun, point it at the intruder, and tell them to get out. If they make a motion to grab their own weapon then they get shot.[/QUOTE] You don't tell them to get out. You tell them to get on the fucking ground and you call the cops.
[QUOTE=Warhol;23037752]what mystical country?[/QUOTE] Any that gives you a great lawyer.
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[QUOTE=A.C.I.D;23037838]Call 999 then run out the front door. I'm not a murderer.[/QUOTE] Self-defense. Just sayin'.
[QUOTE=dass;23038005]Any that gives you a great lawyer.[/QUOTE] you were saying "other countries"
[QUOTE=DaChinz;23038042]Self-defense. Just sayin'.[/QUOTE] If I shot and killed someone I'd consider myself a murderer.
[QUOTE=A.C.I.D;23038384]If I shot and killed someone I'd consider myself a murderer.[/QUOTE] then don't shoot and kill someone..? it's not like self defense = killing the other guy if you kill someone in justified self defense and consider yourself a murderer then you're silly.
[QUOTE=A.C.I.D;23038384]If I shot and killed someone I'd consider myself a murderer.[/QUOTE] But the legal system wouldn't (if it was self defense)
[QUOTE=A.C.I.D;23038384]If I shot and killed someone I'd consider myself a murderer.[/QUOTE] No, see, murder is very circumstantial. You're acting like the world is black and white with this stuff. Pretty naive.
[QUOTE=A.C.I.D;23038384]If I shot and killed someone I'd consider myself a murderer.[/QUOTE] mur·der    /ˈmɜrdər/ Show Spelled[mur-der] –noun 1. Law . the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. Well you would be wrong.
person climbs through window home owner hears them and grabs a shotgun goes to investigate finds intruder Racks the pump, "get on the fuckin ground" Intruder either A. trys to fight and gets his head blow off, or B cooperates and gets taken in by police when they arrive.
Clearly I wouldn't be legally or morally from other peoples points of view. I never claimed that.
[QUOTE=A.C.I.D;23038728]Clearly I wouldn't be legally or morally from other peoples points of view. I never claimed that.[/QUOTE] Then that is your choice. Don't go pushing your opinion onto everyone else by saying that we shouldn't have the right to defend our homes.
The only thing I advocate is that self-defence laws should include a duty to retreat on the part of the defendant, that if they have the opportunity to run away they should. [editline]10:27PM[/editline] That should be decided by the jury on a case-by-case basis.
[QUOTE=A.C.I.D;23038997]The only thing I advocate is that self-defence laws should include a duty to retreat on the part of the defendant, that if they have the opportunity to run away they should. [editline]10:27PM[/editline] That should be decided by the jury on a case-by-case basis.[/QUOTE] It is completely asinine that someone should be FORCED to run away from their HOUSE. I've never heard a more ridiculous statement in my life. Bravo. or did i read that wrong if i did i am sorry lol
Do I really have to repeat myself- [quote]That should be decided by the jury on a case-by-case basis.[/QUOTE] [editline]10:32PM[/editline] In fact some states already have the duty to retreat within self-defence- [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_to_retreat[/url]
If someone forces entry in to your house, you do not have to ascertain their intentions. You are legally within your rights to blow that person away, because they are a legitimately perceived threat.
[QUOTE=A.C.I.D;23039101]Do I really have to repeat myself- [editline]10:32PM[/editline] In fact some states already have the duty to retreat within self-defence- [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_to_retreat[/URL][/QUOTE] This should NEVER happen if it's a home invasion. NOBODY should have to run away from their house, that's ludicrous.
One of the big reasons that the apologists in this thread seem to not understand is that allowing people to defend their homes with firearms acts as a deterrent for crime. As a criminal, you would take into account that the house you are about to rob may have someone inside, and that they may have a weapon with which to shoot you. To break into that house, the criminal has made a conscious choice to risk their life to steal whatever may be inside. They are gambling with their life, and if they get shot, it is their fault. Now if we did not allow people to defend their homes, criminals would not have to worry about a gun-toting homeowner. They would just need to be quick enough to get away before the cops show up. Or even better, if they suspect anyone is inside, the criminal can track them down before they have a chance to run away. Then the criminal would just tie the person to a chair, and take as long as they want without fear of police.
Seems to me to be the easiest and safest option. Disregarding gunning down someone as soon as they set foot in your property with no warning.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;23039031]It is completely asinine that someone should be FORCED to run away from their HOUSE. I've never heard a more ridiculous statement in my life. Bravo. or did i read that wrong if i did i am sorry lol[/QUOTE] So the alternative is murder rightttt [editline]10:43PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Ridge;23039146]If someone forces entry in to your house, you do not have to ascertain their intentions. You are legally within your rights to blow that person away, because they are a legitimately perceived threat.[/QUOTE] And you people are a fucking problem lol, and sgtcrazywhatever was saying you guys don't exist. [editline]10:44PM[/editline] [QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;23039187]This should NEVER happen if it's a home invasion. NOBODY should have to run away from their house, that's ludicrous.[/QUOTE] So principle is more important then reality. okey
[QUOTE=Warhol;23039402]So the alternative is murder rightttt [editline]10:43PM[/editline] And you people are a fucking problem lol, and sgtcrazywhatever was saying you guys don't exist.[/QUOTE] so when a person breaks into your house the only options are to run away or kill them. glad you see the world in black and white. i never said they don't exist, i said a teenager on an internet forum doesn't represent everyone at home with a gun, way to read.
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