US states forced to delay executions because no one will sell them lethal injection drugs - Oklahoma - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Recurracy;36155734]Death is just an easy way out for what they've done. Years of punishment is what they need, not some drug and be done with it.[/QUOTE] It's not really meant for punishment per se but okay

[QUOTE=Coffee;36155685]Oh yes, let the children see it and let it imprint inside their minds so every time they blink they see a man struggling for air as he slowly dies a horrible death.[/QUOTE] :eng101: Proper hanging snaps the base of the neck and displaces the cervical spine causing instant death

[QUOTE=The Aussie;36155654]I don't get the debate. Isn't execution reserved for people with no chance of rehabilitation and is executed due to space and money spending issues.[/QUOTE] For the money used to kill somebody, we could simply place them in life prison and spend much more money on rehabilitation on those that want a better life. That, and innocent people have been executed. I won't throw around figures, but in general it's reported that cases seeking the death penalty cost 8 times than simply seeking life imprisonment. Due to extended court cases, etc. It costs multi millions of tax payer dollars to execute somebody. It's unacceptable when re-offending rates are so high.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;36155604]I still think that public hanging is preferable form of execution. Obviously, the solution is not executing anybody but, if it has to be, nothing has such an amazing uplifting feel like gallows on the city square.[/QUOTE] well, your avatar fits

[QUOTE=proch;36155468]In my opinion executions shouldn't be stopped, but the conditions should be certainly changed. Only people who committed horrendous crimes should be considered to execute. I'm talking about the mass Genocide scale. For example, Jim Jones. Only those people, who are a permanent threat to humanity.[/QUOTE] Personally, I agree, because those who most likely can't change or have gone too far in their actions are too much of a threat to society. Honestly, rehabilitation towards someone like that is useless and a waste because either way, no one would want them in the same society they inhabit anyway. As much as I dislike the idea of ending someone's life, it seems like it's a necessary evil to make society safer for the whole. Maybe lethal injection isn't the best form of execution, but its better than anything public. This whole thing reminds me of an episode of Law and Order: SVU for some reason. Oh, and if the cost-effectiveness between life-in-prison and execution is going to be brought up, just consider the social factors for both sides. A mass-murderer given life may not make for a safe environment for CO's to work in, or just riling the prisoners up and doing some sort of group forming.

[QUOTE=Doneeh;36155809]Personally, I agree, because those who most likely can't change or have gone too far in their actions are too much of a threat to society. Honestly, rehabilitation towards someone like that is useless and a waste because either way, no one would want them in the same society they inhabit anyway. As much as I dislike the idea of ending someone's life, it seems like it's a necessary evil to make society safer for the whole. Maybe lethal injection isn't the best form of execution, but its better than anything public. This whole thing reminds me of an episode of Law and Order: SVU for some reason.[/QUOTE] Who are you to decide that people cannot change? Why do you speak for all of us on who we wish to live next to? How is a man who kills have the right to take away millions of extra taxpayer dollars just have a shorter life have more of a right to be killed than a nurse to be trained and have a job?

[QUOTE=Doneeh;36155809]Personally, I agree, because those who most likely can't change or have gone too far in their actions are too much of a threat to society. Honestly, rehabilitation towards someone like that is useless and a waste because either way, no one would want them in the same society they inhabit anyway. As much as I dislike the idea of ending someone's life, it seems like it's a necessary evil to make society safer for the whole. Maybe lethal injection isn't the best form of execution, but its better than anything public. This whole thing reminds me of an episode of [b]Law and Order: SVU[/b] for some reason.[/QUOTE] I like that show

[QUOTE=sirdownloadsalot;36155286]The Death Penalty arguments are coming up now. Lemme' get 'em started. "WE SHUD NOT KILL CRIMINALS!" "NO WE SHUD KILL DA CRIMINALS BECAUSE THEY ARE BAD!" "NO THEY ARE HUMANS FELLOW FACEPUNCHER!" "YOU ARE A FAGGOT FELLOW FACEPUNCHER!" and continue.[/QUOTE] I got a better idea. Lets destroy the world, thus end our existence. No more worrying, no more baddies, oh yeah :v:

This discussion is reminding me of that article about the rehab island thing somewhere in a Scandinavian country. The prisoners were pretty big offenders but they were treated well and rehabilitated successfully without imprisonment in a small room. Most of them didn't re-offend if I remember right.

[QUOTE=MrEndangered;36155826]Who are you to decide that people cannot change? Why do you speak for all of us on who we wish to live next to? How is a man who kills have the right to take away millions of extra taxpayer dollars just have a shorter life have more of a right to be killed than a nurse to be trained and have a job?[/QUOTE] You know, most people would assume that when another uses the word "personally" in their sentence, it's just an opinion. Who knows, maybe a killer can be rehabilitated and changed, but society's view on him sure as hell won't. If someone like that comes back into society, he won't be welcomed and he might be on the receiving end on a lot of emotional and physical hate. By taking the measure of execution beforehand, you're preventing more harm from being done, even if it costs money. It's all about what prevents what and how that can be cost-effective in the future as opposed to now. [QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;36155835]I like that show[/QUOTE] Richard Belzer and Ice-T make the best partners. They get bitches. [IMG]http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Richard+Belzer+Coco+Entertainment+Weekly+Vavoom+DIL6YdVz_lYl.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=ForestRaptor;36155768]:eng101: Proper hanging snaps the base of the neck and displaces the cervical spine causing instant death[/QUOTE] except that doesn't always work, especially if the victim is particularly light.

Let's go back to the Medieval system. If you are found guilty of a big crime, you get hung, drawn and quartered. Then send a piece of each limb to hang outside a state capitol in some random states. That'll show how progressive the USA is.

[QUOTE=MrEndangered;36155337]Or, you'know, not execute people at all.[/QUOTE] Some people don't deserve to live, like those who kill, cut up, and rape and film in that order.

[QUOTE=samframpton;36156024]except that doesn't always work, especially if the victim is particularly light.[/QUOTE] That's why I said proper. Also, this is somewhat related. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Babbacombe_Lee[/url]

[QUOTE=Fausty;36156051]Some people don't deserve to live, like those who kill, cut up, and rape and film in that order.[/QUOTE] are you basing this off of an objective fact or is it just your ego making you think you're above other people like all the other pro-death penalty arguments

[QUOTE=Fausty;36156051]Some people don't deserve to live, like those who kill, cut up, and rape and film in that order.[/QUOTE] Since when did human rights have to be earned?

[QUOTE=ForestRaptor;36155768]:eng101: Proper hanging snaps the base of the neck and displaces the cervical spine causing instant death[/QUOTE] Except that doesn't always happen.

[QUOTE=Madman_Andre;36155567]I was gonna say hang draw and quarter like they used to do way back when but that works just as well.[/QUOTE] quartering is actually quite difficult

[QUOTE=Cone;36156135]are you basing this off of an objective fact or is it just your ego making you think you're above other people like all the other pro-death penalty arguments[/QUOTE] Wow, anyone that thinks people that are that fucking sick should live is batshit insane themselves, but hey, to each their own.

[QUOTE=Coffee;36156158]Except that doesn't always happen.[/QUOTE] I'd imagine if you don't do it right there's some horrible consequence that makes it slower or more painful or what have you [editline]1st June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Fausty;36156193]Wow, anyone that thinks people that are that fucking sick should live is batshit insane themselves, but hey, to each their own.[/QUOTE] wow, anybody who wants people to die is clearly crazy themselves. see what I did there? [editline]1st June 2012[/editline] if anything you just proved to me that A) you don't understand the subject and B) even if you did you're still making irrational judgements to justify your worldview

[QUOTE=Fausty;36156193]Wow, anyone that thinks people that are that fucking sick should live is batshit insane themselves, but hey, to each their own.[/QUOTE] You know what? I hope I get raped right now so I can rehabilitate this gentleman with my butt.

put the criminals in the room with the face eating guy let him go at them rerr rerr

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;36156044]Let's go back to the Medieval system. If you are found guilty of a big crime, you get hung, drawn and quartered. Then send a piece of each limb to hang outside a state capitol in some random states. That'll show how progressive the USA is.[/QUOTE]Can we mount the heads on iron pikes around Capitol Hill, too?

The problem with death is that it is permanent. If you find proof a dead person is innocent a few years later, they wont benefit much from it...

I really don't care if they want a death penalty or not for someone who did a horrible truly horrible crime but theres a lot of people who have been given the death penalty and are innocent which bothers me a lot.

Keep them in for life, I don't see the need in killing them.

Honestly, it's not so bad living in a country without executions and life imprisonment. Even the worst guys only get 25 years, but there are ways to keep them away from society other than keeping them behind bars or killing them. We actually rent out prison space to a neighbouring country.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;36155604]I still think that public hanging is preferable form of execution. Obviously, the solution is not executing anybody but, if it has to be, nothing has such an amazing uplifting feel like gallows on the city square.[/QUOTE] because the best way to discourage murder is to show it off in public to large cheering, whooping crowds who don't know the man losing his life, his legal case, and don't care! [editline]1st June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Fausty;36156051]Some people don't deserve to live, like those who kill, cut up, and rape and film in that order.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Fausty;36156193]Wow, anyone that thinks people that are that fucking sick should live is batshit insane themselves, but hey, to each their own.[/QUOTE] how is it right for someone to dispose of their own right to live via actions they have committed? perhaps they have mental problems that can be resolved? perhaps they did it out of reflex, shooting someone by accident? if you live on a system where people's rights to live can be taken away just because of wrong actions, you also have to live with the fact that [I]you[/I] can lose the right to live based on your actions aswell. not just the big mean drug dealers and thieves.

[QUOTE=Fausty;36156193]Wow, anyone that thinks people that are that fucking sick should live is batshit insane themselves, but hey, to each their own.[/QUOTE] Explain this moronic post please.

Some people in this world honestly do need to be put to death. Some are beyond rehabilitation. But then the arguments start and I also agree with the other side... if only we had enough money to store all the criminals.