US states forced to delay executions because no one will sell them lethal injection drugs - Oklahoma - Polidicks

Without capital punishment there is more incentive for people to commit crimes because at least if they get caught they get to live out their days, fed and safe in a jail. Capital punishment also removes criminals from the system that waste tax payers money and provide justice for those they wronged through crime.

[QUOTE=Mr. Sun;36157097]Some people in this world honestly do need to be put to death. Some are beyond rehabilitation. But then the arguments start and I also agree with the other side... if only we had enough money to store all the criminals.[/QUOTE] Ok seriously stop using money as an argument for the death penalty. You listening everyone? Stop. You are doing several things wrong when you use this argument and I'm going to list 2 of them for you. 1. You are putting a monetary value on human life. "Why bother not killing them all if killing them all is cheaper". 2. It actually isn't cheaper at all anyways. The appeals process for death row is incredibly expensive and considering how backed up the system already is most death row inmates end up stuck in death row for decades. [editline]1st June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=BloodRayne;36157119]Without capital punishment there is more incentive for people to commit crimes because at least if they get caught they get to live out their days, fed and safe in a jail. Capital punishment also removes criminals from the system that waste tax payers money and provide justice for those they wronged through crime.[/QUOTE] This is another thing that is completely wrong. If your precious death penalty is such a great disincentive for crime then why is violent crime so high in states that hold the death penalty compared to states that don't?

[QUOTE=Coffee;36155685]Oh yes, let the children see it and let it imprint inside their minds so every time they blink they see a man struggling for air as he slowly dies a horrible death.[/QUOTE] Brilliant idea! Actually, we are in the digital age, we might also broadcast these. Perhaps on morning TV? And obviously, you have to leave the bodies in place so more people can come and have a look.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;36157196]Brilliant idea! Actually, we are in the digital age, we might also broadcast these. Perhaps on morning TV? And obviously, you have to leave the bodies in place so more people can come and have a look.[/QUOTE] Youtube could do special live screenings, with commentary from William Shatner.

[QUOTE=BloodRayne;36157119]Without capital punishment there is more incentive for people to commit crimes because at least if they get caught they get to live out their days, fed and safe in a jail. Capital punishment also removes criminals from the system that waste tax payers money and provide justice for those they wronged through crime.[/QUOTE] Wrong and wrong, Studies have shown that fear of punishment does not dissuade people from commiting crimes and it is more expensive to put a criminal to Death than to keep them for life in the US.

[QUOTE=LATTEH;36155328]just shoot em.[/QUOTE] Say that again after this video: NSFW: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IMgtxG4kF8[/media] And you might watch all the other parts if you want, dunno if you still feel the same about executions after that.

Bullets are cheaper than poisons. Just saying, I'd rather we not have executions but it's true. [editline]1st June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Kingy_ME;36157217]Wrong and wrong, Studies have shown that fear of punishment does not dissuade people from commiting crimes and it is more expensive to put a criminal to Death than to keep them for life in the US.[/QUOTE] Pretty much this.

[QUOTE=draugur;36157340]Bullets are cheaper than poisons. Just saying, I'd rather we not have executions but it's true.[/QUOTE] The cost of the method of execution is insignificant compared to the cost of the appeals process. It doesn't matter how cheap the bullets are. Overall it's still going to be very expensive compared to keeping someone alive in prison.

Don't get me wrong on this, but couldn't they just pump them full of Morphine? It's cheap, and it's bound to be effective in large enough doses.

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;36157417]Don't get me wrong on this, but couldn't they just pump them full of Morphine? [B]It's cheap[/B], and it's bound to be effective in large enough doses.[/QUOTE] Doesn't. Matter.

[QUOTE=Boxbot219;36157454]Doesn't. Matter.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I already know about the whole administrative cost thing. But if the drug they're currently using is in such short supply, wouldn't it be logical to assume that it's expensive as hell?

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;36157196]Brilliant idea! Actually, we are in the digital age, we might also broadcast these. Perhaps on morning TV? And obviously, you have to leave the bodies in place so more people can come and have a look.[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;qDO6HV6xTmI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDO6HV6xTmI&safe=active[/video]

Maybe we should grind them up for food and give them to starving countries.. Soylent Green style..

[QUOTE=Doneeh;36155954]You know, most people would assume that when another uses the word "personally" in their sentence, it's just an opinion. Who knows, maybe a killer can be rehabilitated and changed, but society's view on him sure as hell won't. If someone like that comes back into society, he won't be welcomed and he might be on the receiving end on a lot of emotional and physical hate. By taking the measure of execution beforehand, you're preventing more harm from being done, even if it costs money. It's all about what prevents what and how that can be cost-effective in the future as opposed to now. [/QUOTE] Dude you're totally right !! We should kill people to save money

[QUOTE=slamex;36157518]Maybe we should grind them up for food and give them to starving countries.. Soylent Green style..[/QUOTE] That was a funny movie.

[QUOTE=Doneeh;36155954]You know, most people would assume that when another uses the word "personally" in their sentence, it's just an opinion. Who knows, maybe a killer can be rehabilitated and changed, but society's view on him sure as hell won't. If someone like that comes back into society, he won't be welcomed and he might be on the receiving end on a lot of emotional and physical hate. By taking the measure of execution beforehand, you're preventing more harm from being done, even if it costs money. It's all about what prevents what and how that can be cost-effective in the future as opposed to now.[/QUOTE] They have killed a person, another human being. Why the hell should we accept them? There are a lot of things I can overlook in a person but knowing they killed another person for money, a woman, their own enjoyment, no. To me that's an animal and not a person. Well it's not the people who accidentally kill someone in a bar fight, it's the serial killers, the Dahmers, Gacys, Picktons and Bundys out there that should be hung, injected or shot. Those people you CAN NOT HELP. They have no remorse and enjoy what they do and will continue doing it if they EVER get released. People like that can't and do not deserve to be 'saved'.

[QUOTE=Mr. Sun;36157097]Some are beyond rehabilitation.[/QUOTE] do you have a formal education to back this statement up I'm not saying you need a Ph.D in suchandsuch to say anything about this but what you're saying here is akin to trying to tell people how to run a nuclear power-plant without a degree [editline]1st June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Gundevil;36157972]Well it's not the people who accidentally kill someone in a bar fight, it's the serial killers, the Dahmers, Gacys, Picktons and Bundys out there that should be hung, injected or shot. Those people you CAN NOT HELP. They have no remorse and enjoy what they do and will continue doing it if they EVER get released. People like that can't and do not deserve to be 'saved'.[/QUOTE] again, I'm going to need you to back up the statement that such people are irrepairable [editline]1st June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Gundevil;36157972]They have killed a person, another human being. Why the hell should we accept them? There are a lot of things I can overlook in a person but knowing they killed another person for money, a woman, their own enjoyment, no. To me that's an animal and not a person.[/QUOTE] also, if, to you, their behaviour is more animalistic than human, would it not be that their motivations are not evil as much as they are difficult to understand due to the fundamental psychological differences between a man and a monster? they act on their instinct and a crazed, twisted form of logic, but that doesn't make them evil, merely very, very difficult to understand. do you want to go down as the man who couldn't be bothered to decipher their messy psyche, or the man who understood their code?

[QUOTE=Coffee;36155685]Oh yes, let the children see it and let it imprint inside their minds so every time they blink they see a man struggling for air as he slowly dies a horrible death.[/QUOTE] I don't think you know how lethal injection works.

[QUOTE=xxncxx;36158167]I don't think you know how lethal injection works.[/QUOTE] Is this thread bad reading central or something? He was talking about public hanging.

So what, someone will buy them, then turn around and sell them for a little more than they paid

[QUOTE=Darkslicer;36157260]Say that again after this video: NSFW: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IMgtxG4kF8[/media] And you might watch all the other parts if you want, dunno if you still feel the same about executions after that.[/QUOTE] What is your point?How gruesome it is to kill someone by shooting them or ????????

[QUOTE=Matrix374;36159502]What is your point?How gruesome it is to kill someone by shooting them or ????????[/QUOTE] Um yeah I would imagine. Now it's your turn. What was the point of your post?

So basically, executions are postponed because people don't want to sell them the drugs. That's kind of a good thing, since executions aren't the right way to go; simply preserve them until a cure can be found, and invest more money into rehabilitative research rather than just kill those deemed "untreatable". Just because we can't cure dangerous criminals so easily right now, doesn't mean we can't keep them secure until the right technology comes around. If they can be reshaped into better people, why put them down like animals? Termination due to convenience isn't an acceptable excuse when it comes to intelligent life, and should be grounds for being put on ice until we can tinker with the douchebag's little grey cells and expunge that nasty casual attitude towards life and death. The aformentioned "douchebag" is the guy who thinks that ending a life simply out of convenience is in any way a good idea, even if the "convenience" involves the individual seeking death so badly; we'll eventually be able to fix those things too, we just need good enough tech, both to put folks on ice until we can fix them, and psychomedial technology that allows precise treatment of mental problems and abnormalities, in essence treating brain problems in a similar fashion to body problems, without the sloppy hack 'n' slash nature of lobotomies or the chemical dependancies posed by medications. Hopefully this hoo-hah will result in lowered use of the death penalty, [B]BUT[/B] there is still the risk that some prisons would decide to return to the older styles of executions, unless of course there are now laws prohibiting the use of things like the noose, the chair, firing squad, gas, etc. At least, here's hoping they're illegal now, otherwise heads may roll; quite literally if they bring out the axes. Also, if the thought of treating mental problems in a similar fashion to curing diseases or running an antivirus program sounds kind of outlandish and radical, it's likely because it's probably not meant for this time period; the technology and the societal attitudes probably aren't there yet. But it could work, given the right society and science, however abuse of advanced psychomedical brain-tweaking could prove to be an issue that creeps up on future society like something out of a sci-fi horror novel. In fact it could be something I could write about in stories, if and when I become a writer for video games (my choice of career path).

Here in France, death penalty has been abolished since 1981 and we don't have any more criminality problems than before. I don't know what you pro-death guys see in death sentence that could benefit to the community. If anything it just makes the U.S. look like an archaic nation, which is a bit ironic when it's supposed to be one of the most developed country in the world.

Y'know, concerning death and all that, i've been wondering; what would society be like if death was merely a "setback", like a world where people can still die but can return to life or continue existence as a sort of sapient ethereal mass (think Gestalts from Nier, only somewhat more stable and less susceptible to relapse, or alternatively just think of ghosts). If death wasn't that big a deal, like if life was cheap and could be rebooted as easily as a computer, what attitudes would there be concerning violence? Would health and safety be overlooked since dying simply means you pay money to "incarnate", and would death sports be considered legal? A world where death is merely a setback, a condition that can be cured if you can pay the price, would be a strange and possibly disturbing one, though admittedly it'd be kinda cool if you could cheat death like a 12-year old with a Prima Strategy Guide for Starcraft (story of my life). Concerning "paying the price", i'm talking about £350k to buy a soul (a house for a soul may seem a strange asking price), pay money each month for "death insurance" with a complimentary revival coffin so you can "respawn" in the comfort of your own home and not wake up in the "goo tubes" at the local hospital. But can one really place a price on a life, let alone a potentially eternal one? I should really write a novel about this kinda stuff.

Last year I had a history teacher who said people do crimes like murder should be forced to fight like gladiators in some arena for people to buy tickets and watch, and the money earned from selling tickets should go to the families of the murdered victims. :v:

If someone is sick and we can't treat them, wouldn't it be humane to free them of their pain instead of keeping them alive as long as possible so they suffer each and every day? Plus if I was on death row I'd rather get shot than injected with some substances.

[QUOTE=LATTEH;36155328]just shoot em.[/QUOTE] Costs $.23 (apx) - short, sweet and to the point. Its defiantly a more economical option but, deeply inhuman. [sp]Not that I'm in support of executing people to begin with, just pointing out something[/sp]

[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;36160406]If someone is sick and we can't treat them, wouldn't it be humane to free them of their pain instead of keeping them alive as long as possible so they suffer each and every day? [/QUOTE] Well um, not if they don't want to die.

[QUOTE=areolop;36160411]Costs $.23 (apx) - short, sweet and to the point. Its defiantly a more economical option but, deeply inhuman. [sp]Not that I'm in support of executing people to begin with, just pointing out something[/sp][/QUOTE] Wait, so bog-standard bullets usually cost around 23 cents? Wow, never knew ammo was so cheap over there, though considering the Second Amendment I shouldn't be so surprised.