Kellyanne Conway Alleges Obama Administration Monitoring Is Broader Than Trump Suggests - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Omesh;51953132]So we can't accept this, but we can be sure that the guy, who talked with a Russian ambassador during his job, is a traitor. We are well into a post truth age. It's not a wiretap, if it's just "intercepted communications". [url]https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html[/url] [url]https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/01/us/politics/obama-trump-russia-election-hacking.html[/url] [url]https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/us/politics/nsa-gets-more-latitude-to-share-intercepted-communications.html[/url] If you wiretap everyone around Trump, somehow it has nothing to do with Trump. [url]https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/russia-intelligence-communications-trump.html[/url] How did they know to begin with that some Russian bank is pinging Trump tower. Do you become a criminal when someone knocks on your door?[/QUOTE] Has every Trump supporter lost what little brainpower they had already? Do Trump's sympathizers here on Facepunch not know better than to distrust the man? How many times does it need to be repeated to get into their skulls? The US government engaged in wiretapping. Of Russian intelligence assets, including their Ambassador. That is how they came to know about Trump's communications with them, and that of his team. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out. It's just apparently above the mental capacity of today's Republicans to make the connection, eh? Hardly surprising. Believe me, if Trump Tower was really wiretapped, it would mean a FISA court judge found probable cause, meaning the CIA had enough evidence to charge him with treason [I]before the election even happened.[/I] And if [I]that[/I] were true? It would mean that they wisely held their tongues until he was already President, because in a campaign spinning bullshit about how the election was rigged against him, and that all government and election agencies were secretly working for Hillary Clinton, it would've caused an uproar among the idiot fringe that voted for him if he were arrested during the campaign.

I'm starting to wonder if those MAGA hats are foil-lined...

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;51953743]I'm starting to wonder if those MAGA hats are foil-lined...[/QUOTE] I'd bet on lead. That or their wearers share a taste for paint chips.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51953478]Capability does not prove culpability.[/QUOTE] i understand that, i was addressing, what appeared to me, god of ashes' incredulity that the CIA could monitor people through smart TVs

[QUOTE=Steel & Iron;51952383]Conway went on to say that the monitoring could be done with “microwaves that turn into cameras,” adding: “We know this is a fact of modern life.”[/QUOTE] I, what?

[QUOTE=phygon;51952407]...how? This mentality about TVs being used to record you has always been the stupidest fucking thing to me because the logic literally boils down to "Image in? Image out!" and that's where it stops.[/QUOTE] Remember those fucking whackjobs saying the CIA was "scanning people's houses" with Pokemon GO ? :v:

[QUOTE=Redcoat893;51952391]Ah yes, the Microwave Cameras, you know, the things that 100% have cameras in them to begin with right?[/QUOTE] I think she may have misunderstood some report on microwave cameras, which iirc work through walls. Of course what she ended up saying was really quite different.

[QUOTE=archangel125;51953685]Has every Trump supporter lost what little brainpower they had already? Do Trump's sympathizers here on Facepunch not know better than to distrust the man? How many times does it need to be repeated to get into their skulls? The US government engaged in wiretapping. Of Russian intelligence assets, including their Ambassador. That is how they came to know about Trump's communications with them, and that of his team. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out. It's just apparently above the mental capacity of today's Republicans to make the connection, eh? Hardly surprising. Believe me, if Trump Tower was really wiretapped, it would mean a FISA court judge found probable cause, meaning the CIA had enough evidence to charge him with treason [I]before the election even happened.[/I] And if [I]that[/I] were true? It would mean that they wisely held their tongues until he was already President, because in a campaign spinning bullshit about how the election was rigged against him, and that all government and election agencies were secretly working for Hillary Clinton, it would've caused an uproar among the idiot fringe that voted for him if he were arrested during the campaign.[/QUOTE] I don't give a damn what Trump says here. He has time and again exaggerated his claims to get media attention / make them talk about something that they wouldn't have before. Use what little brainpower you have available and realize that no one here is denying they wiretap the Russians. They even wiretap their supposed allies, as shown in the scandal with Germany among other cases. My default is supposed to be trust that those intelligence communities are acting lawfully? Get real. It's totally a coincidence Obama, just before getting out, expanded the power of NSA to share intercepted communications before adding privacy protections and that they now have a leak problem. Is it easier to find the leaker with 16 more possible institutions? Also about the previous administration, Obama's spokesman says he didn't do it. Wow no shit, what could he and all those in power say when the other choice meant they broke the law. Why should I trust him to act with honor towards his political opponent when he was shown in leaks (that everyone is acknowledging were hacked, so I can say they are real) to have lied about not knowing of Hillary's top issue (mixing him in with that mess) before the public, indulging in that issue and literally did rallies against Trump among other things. Also I liked the tone in your post overall. You are so comfortable in your righteousness. Maybe get your head out of your ass. [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51953478]Capability does not prove culpability.[/QUOTE] It made me laugh a bit. When I saw the new leaks of CIA guidelines (don't leave US correlating access times and etc.) and that they keep a library of Russian malware I thought. How can it be evidence of Russian interference because the hacking methods are consistent with Russia when those methods are also consistent with the CIA. [QUOTE]The recent disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like DCLeaks.com and WikiLeaks and by the Guccifer 2.0 online persona are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts.[/QUOTE] It could also just as well have been a Snowden type character and no one can deny this. [url]https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/10/07/joint-statement-department-homeland-security-and-office-director-national[/url] [url]https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/page_14587109.html#efmA-OBCQ[/url] [url]https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/#EXAMPLES[/url]

[QUOTE=DoctorSalt;51952614]The smart t.v surveillance was leaked in the latest wikidump.[/QUOTE] Its been known long before the wikishit toilet flush

[QUOTE=Omesh;51954441]I don't give a damn what Trump says here. He has time and again exaggerated his claims to get media attention / make them talk about something that they wouldn't have before. Use what little brainpower you have available and realize that no one here is denying they wiretap the Russians. They even wiretap their supposed allies, as shown in the scandal with Germany among other cases. My default is supposed to be trust that those intelligence communities are acting lawfully? Get real. It's totally a coincidence Obama, just before getting out, expanded the power of NSA to share intercepted communications before adding privacy protections and that they now have a leak problem. Is it easier to find the leaker with 16 more possible institutions? Also about the previous administration, Obama's spokesman says he didn't do it. Wow no shit, what could he and all those in power say when the other choice meant they broke the law. Why should I trust him to act with honor towards his political opponent when he was shown in leaks (that everyone is acknowledging were hacked, so I can say they are real) to have lied about not knowing of Hillary's top issue (mixing him in with that mess) before the public, indulging in that issue and literally did rallies against Trump among other things. Also I liked the tone in your post overall. You are so comfortable in your righteousness. Maybe get your head out of your ass. It made me laugh a bit. When I saw the new leaks of CIA guidelines (don't leave US correlating access times and etc.) and that they keep a library of Russian malware I thought. How can it be evidence of Russian interference because the hacking methods are consistent with Russia when those methods are also consistent with the CIA. It could also just as well have been a Snowden type character and no one can deny this. [url]https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/10/07/joint-statement-department-homeland-security-and-office-director-national[/url] [url]https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/page_14587109.html#efmA-OBCQ[/url] [url]https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/#EXAMPLES[/url][/QUOTE] So the gist of your argument is that because something is theoretically possible, figures like Trump and Conway are to be taken seriously? Despite the fact they both lie more than they tell the truth? 'Exaggeration' is giving them both too much credit. It's theoretically possible that a race of extraterrestrials lives under the surface of Mars. It's theoretically possible that Russell's Teapot is somewhere out there. That doesn't make those things likely. The only way reasonable inferences can be drawn is by examining existing evidence and coming to a conclusion. There is, for example, ample circumstantial evidence to indicate that Trump is connected with Russia, and collaborated with them to influence the outcome of the election in his favour, and theirs. Is it possible that all this circumstantial evidence is pointing at a different conclusion we don't yet see? Maybe. Is it possible that the CIA and FBI are in fact, just as Trump says, part of Obama's shadow government, and falsifying information about him and his people to sabotage his administration? Theoretically, yes. Just like the Russell's Teapot thought experiment. Or the existence of a god. Reason and the circumstantial evidence, however, point against all those three things. There is no evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, however, to suggest that Trump Tower was unlawfully wiretapped. You'll have to do better than that. The CIA may do an awful lot of unlawful intelligence gathering. But something this big couldn't be hidden if it was unlawful. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot[/url] Read that. You may find it instructive. We know that US spies attached to Russian IT and Telecom companies were recently arrested in Russia and charged with treason. We know that key individuals in Russia suspected of sharing intelligence with US assets turned up dead, their bodies taken to an FSB morgue. Now why would that be, if the DNC hacks were a false flag attack? The evidence supports the official story. Not your fantasy version of events.