Trudeau unveils $650 million plan for sexual, reproductive health - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Berman Slick;51934563]What about men? The funding for women vs men is ridiculously skewed, I'm getting tired of every single thing being about "protecting fragile women~" when men are shoved under the rug and told to "grow a pair". The stats show it, the funding inequality is ridiculously detrimental to men as a whole When ya gonna help the men, Justin? Have men's sexual or mental health received any explicit funding like this in recent memory, to such fanfare? Nope [editline]9th March 2017[/editline] [waiting for the "but men don't need help, they have privilege" argument, to which I respond with staggering suicide stats that show men are fucked regarding mental health alone compared to women][/QUOTE] um hate to burst your soapbox bubble but sexual/reproductive help/education also includes men

[QUOTE=Berman Slick;51934587]um indeed, bucko [editline]9th March 2017[/editline] moreso calling out the "gotta help women all the time!!!!!!" thing, thanks[/QUOTE] Well, what's a problem exclusive to men that is in dire need of funding? Don't say mental health because men and women are affected by mental health and you can't just kick up funding for male-specialized therapists. [editline]4[/editline] Hell, I wish that mental health was funded more but I don't think the lack of funding it has anything to do with someone's gender or being less important to fund because it primarily affects men

[QUOTE=Berman Slick;51934587]um indeed, bucko [editline]9th March 2017[/editline] moreso calling out the "gotta help women all the time!!!!!!" thing, thanks[/QUOTE] Aside from the release day being on International Women's Day, there's nothing to indicate that this is a woman exclusive deal. Not sure what you're talking about on this topic in particular. Family planning, sexual education and help and reproductive information benefits everyone. Not just women. Not just men. Might wanna save the "what about men" post for something that it's actually relevant to.

You can have a run for men's mental health too, y'know!

It depends on who you ask and the context. Most people will not argue that mental health affects both men and women with men experiencing higher suicide rates because of their higher tendency to follow through. The thing is, when you speak out for an issue that pertains to men, a lot of people doing so try to do so in a way that somehow paints women-centered events in a negative light, utilizing the "what about men" phrasing which only belittles both movements and ensures 0 progress. Men's issues can absolutely be brought to light without the inherent "us vs. them" mentality that it seems to breed. I support all movements that call for the improvement of quality of life for all genders in our society. But sometimes there are things organized by women for women and there can be things organized by men for men without it having to be a competeition of who has it worse.

[QUOTE=Berman Slick;51934646][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_differences_in_suicide"] Yeah there's a serious problem [/URL] [t]https://i.gyazo.com/889fefe5f9ce43d0d344690d19e56ba0.png[/t] [editline]9th March 2017[/editline] I do apologize for coming off as an ass, it just rustles me when I hear more "protect the women!!!!" stuff when it's like "eh men are fine". We have huge societal issues with men's mental health, while in Canada we have stuff like [URL="http://www.runforwomen.ca/about-s15446"]"The Run For Women's Mental Health"[/URL]. What a joke[/QUOTE] An interesting tidbit here. [quote]In the United States, the male-to-female teenage suicide death ratio is estimated at 3:1.[26] Typically males die from suicide three to five times more often than females.[27] Use of mental health resources may be a significant contributor to the gender difference in suicide rates in the US. Studies have shown that females are 13–21% more likely than males to receive a psychiatric affective diagnosis.[28] While 72–89% of females who committed suicide had contact with a mental health professional at some point in their life, only 41–58% of males who committed suicide had made use of this resource.[28][/quote] So I'm wondering as to why men aren't getting the mental health resources. Is it because it's unavailable? Is it because they don't know it's available? Is it because they don't want to use these resources? No one is saying that men are fine here. I think you're mistaking pro-women stuff with "men are fine."

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51934766]An interesting tidbit here. So I'm wondering as to why men aren't getting the mental health resources. Is it because it's unavailable? Is it because they don't know it's available? Is it because they don't want to use these resources? No one is saying that men are fine here. I think you're mistaking pro-women stuff with "men are fine."[/QUOTE] Many reasons, including stigma, shame, denial, or simply not knowing you can get help

[QUOTE=Berman Slick;51934675]Who is going to sponsor that lol [editline]9th March 2017[/editline] Because if you stand up for men's rights you're a "men's rights activist" which is somehow a bad thing[/QUOTE] I've attended a talk by the Canadian Association for Equality, discussing the suicide rate and men's mental health issues: they've had fire alarms pulled, protestors breaking windows, among other things. The talk was perfectly innocuous and in no way warranted a response this chaotic. I'd be lying if I said I agree with everything a typical MRA would, but the stigma is definitely there.

[QUOTE=Berman Slick;51935591][B]It's society's views on men. We are supposed to be strong, emotionless, sexual, we don't cry, we never ask for help. It presents this nuts objective in a man's head to achieve and be, and it tells him "grow a pair, be a man". That doesn't work. [/B] The statistics show a difference in how the genders commit suicide, as well. Women often attempt with pills, cutting, things that aren't as effective, and often survive to use it as a cry for help. Men use more effective measures, like firearms or jumping, because they truly believe there's no way out anymore. They don't get a second chance. [editline]9th March 2017[/editline] Of course, and I agree with you 100%, but the best we get (unless it's prostate cancer) in regards to male-specific issues is just having it me co-ed. Men and women, never just men though. Even things like spousal abuse, which shows nearly the same rates among men-women and women-men (women actually abuse their male partners more often), we have all these women'a shelters, women's hotlines, and nothing for men. Men get shamed and called pussies. It's a societal issue in general, and we need to stop viewing men as invulnerable, and women as weaklings who need constant help.[/QUOTE] On the first point, that's definitely a side-effect of (yes, I'm gonna use this word because it applies), the patriarchy. Men have always been pushed to be the bread-winners and to be the typical macho dominant member of the family, but obviously we know that not everyone is like that. A real feminist - one that believes in a genuine equality due to the breaking down of these patriarch-led expectations and an embrace of the abolishing of stringent gender roles - will defend a man's right to be whoever he wants to be, as well. Unfortunately, yes, there are some people who take it too far to the extreme side of "men hate", regardless of their reason. Whether it's because of their group of friends and the communities they surround themselves with, past trauma, etc. etc. But a thing to remember is that a lot of these people are parroting what they're hearing from others. It's not an "us vs. them" thing like a lot of people try to propose, it should be a "us with us" thing. I think if people want men's issues to be brought forward, they can do it. They can make changes and they can make a difference, but it takes some special people to do so who don't have a chip on their shoulder from others who are accusing them of hate just because it's an event for men by men. Little bit of an anecdote here, but there's an older man I know that has "men's breakfast" at a local church for a TON of his biker buddies and some of the men in the community. They fucking love that event because it gives them a chance to relax and hang out with one another and they usually have a little sort of discussion about problems they have and they learn and sort of mingle with one another. It's not like a huge public thing but it is something I think that's ultimately awesome for the men in the community. I think there's something that people can do, it just takes some thinking and the consideration that not everything has to be a war between the sexes. Not to say that it'd be [I]easy[/I], but it's not impossible. Anyway, that's my sort of inspirational talk for the day, hopefully that means something.

In Vancouver a few years ago a guy tried to open a "men's shelter". He was prevented from doing so by a vocal population of people who said it would be a waste of money and that men didn't need help.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51936413]In Vancouver a few years ago a guy tried to open a "men's shelter". He was prevented from doing so by a vocal population of people who said it would be a waste of money and that men didn't need help.[/QUOTE] In the other hand I know of several successful men shelters in Ireland that have received wide range of support.

You know, I can see this doing a LOT of good for women's rights. However, where are we going to get all this money from? I hope he knows what he's doing...

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51936413]In Vancouver a few years ago a guy tried to open a "men's shelter". He was prevented from doing so by a vocal population of people who said it would be a waste of money and that men didn't need help.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51936427]In the other hand I know of several successful men shelters in Ireland that have received wide range of support.[/QUOTE] It definitely depends on the community social climate in which the shelter is trying to break ground. Some communities will be more accepting to the idea than others. There def should be more men's shelters though! That'd be good for everyone. Get more men off the streets and out of their cars and into somewhere safe that can help them get back on their feet. Honestly I think there should be a network of shelters, with co-ed and men's/women's shelters that all help each other but have their own individual spaces and buildings. The more people that can band together to help solve the issue of homelessness, the better.

[QUOTE=Berman Slick;51934646][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_differences_in_suicide"] Yeah there's a serious problem [/URL] [t]https://i.gyazo.com/889fefe5f9ce43d0d344690d19e56ba0.png[/t] [editline]9th March 2017[/editline] I do apologize for coming off as an ass, it just rustles me when I hear more "protect the women!!!!" stuff when it's like "eh men are fine". We have huge societal issues with men's mental health, while in Canada we have stuff like [URL="http://www.runforwomen.ca/about-s15446"]"The Run For Women's Mental Health"[/URL]. What a joke[/QUOTE] Men are also more likely to use more lethal methods for suicide. Mental health services are designed to help those attempting or attempted a failed suicide. I think if you compare attempted suicides between males and females, females are disproportionately higher per persons.

[QUOTE=RoflKawpter;51936435]You know, I can see this doing a LOT of good for women's rights. However, where are we going to get all this money from? I hope he knows what he's doing...[/QUOTE] Its probably just a restructure of the 5 billion a year canada already spends on international development aid. Projects come to an end or stop being relevant, new projects get started and this is one of them. If the project runs for 10 years it would be 1.3% of their yearly development spendings.

[QUOTE=Berman Slick;51935591]It's society's views on men. We are supposed to be strong, emotionless, sexual, we don't cry, we never ask for help. It presents this nuts objective in a man's head to achieve and be, and it tells him "grow a pair, be a man". That doesn't work.[/QUOTE] The irony is that proper feminism aims to remove the stereotypes imposed on gender, including men. [editline]9th March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Tetsmega;51936467]Men are also more likely to use more lethal methods for suicide. Mental health services are designed to help those attempting or attempted a failed suicide. I think if you compare attempted suicides between males and females, females are disproportionately higher per persons.[/QUOTE] Oh would you look at that. [quote]Females attempt suicide three times more often than males. As with suicide deaths, rates of attempted suicide vary considerably among demographic groups. While males are 4 times more likely than females to die by suicide, females attempt suicide 3 times as often as males. The ratio of suicide attempts to suicide death in youth is estimated to be about 25:1, compared to about 4:1 in the elderly. [I]AFSP's latest data on suicide are taken from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Data & Statistics Fatal Injury Report for 2015. Suicide rates listed are Age-Adjusted Rates.[/I] [/quote] [url]https://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/[/url] So uh...

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51936915]The irony is that proper feminism aims to remove the stereotypes imposed on gender, including men.[/QUOTE] Equality is why I, personally, consider myself a "Feminist" when asked about my views on that subject. But feminism doesn't mean anything anymore, not that any leaderless group can. It's been co-opted, like pretty much everything in the modern world, by the loudest and most powerful voices. Not the ones most suited for the task or capable of actually moving the world forward. I embrace the idea that feminism would fight for men, but I rarely see it as an issue brought up by them. It's brought up by "Whiny" men who are tired of feeling ignored, and then the discussion happens that "Hey if you really feel that way do something about it" and that rinses and repeats constantly. There isn't enough social capital for men to band together currently, when we do, we're by and large ridiculed for doing so by the very same group that I consider myself a part of.

[QUOTE=DiBBs27;51931670]The fact of the matter here is Trudeau is sinking Canada in the hole more and more. He's piling debt on us with no fucks given. I mean, sexuality training and sexual health is important but how about we try and fix our economy first? As you might see, for Canadians, any good this guy is doing is over shadowed by the fact that this is just more shit that we have to pay for out of our pockets.[/QUOTE] You don't speak for all Canadians, bub.

[QUOTE=Berman Slick;51955439]I addressed that in a post, but the stats are for different reasons. Women do it as a cry for help, men do it because they feel they have no other options. Women know they'll get help if they attempt. Women are way less likely to actually /want/ to die, it's cherrypicking.[/QUOTE] Horseshit. Okay, I'll give it the benefit of the doubt. Are there any reputable studies that support your assertion?

[QUOTE=Berman Slick;51955439]I addressed that in a post, but the stats are for different reasons. Women do it as a cry for help, men do it because they feel they have no other options. Women know they'll get help if they attempt. Women are way less likely to actually /want/ to die, it's cherrypicking.[/QUOTE] Absolute Bullshit. I know 3 women who have attempted suicide, the 2 that talk openly about it did it because they felt that there was no point anymore, show some statistics for that, because in my experi debits 63% that did it because they had no other choice, the other 37% is a unknown, that is a "majority".