IS attacker stabs transgender person in Brussels - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Aztec;50527339]He wasn't the one that made a big deal out of it though?[/QUOTE] It honestly sounded like he somewhat disregarded the primary problem, the stabbing, because of how disrespectful it is to use a wrong pronoun.

[QUOTE=wraithcat;50527737]It's entirely possible the person is petitioning the courts/"other body that can change the legal gender" to recognise "her" as a man. As such the person was still legally female and was trying to become male. In that context it seems fine to me. The difference between legal and nonlegal gender do exist. ---------- Mind you using "her" as the article does as well.[/QUOTE] legal context means jack shit when you're talking about a person on non-bureaucratic terms

[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;50527778]It honestly sounded like he somewhat disregarded the primary problem, the stabbing, because of how disrespectful it is to use a wrong pronoun.[/QUOTE] Yes because someone who gives enough of a shit to not misgender a trans person is just going to ignore the fact that they were stabbed yes that makes perfect sense thank you people

[QUOTE=Saturn V;50527810]legal context means jack shit when you're talking about a person on non-bureaucratic terms[/QUOTE] The legal gender ought to be the baseline. Because it's actually incredibly important. Mind you, that's for countries were it's possible and doable to change your legal gender in a way that's not excessively problematic.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;50526918]Considering that they were attacked for being transgender, it's kinda important don't you think?[/QUOTE] Not really in hindsight no. I'd be more concerned for their safety and health than if I got their pro-noun right.

[QUOTE=wraithcat;50527864]The legal gender ought to be the baseline. Because it's actually incredibly important. Mind you, that's for countries were it's possible and doable to change your legal gender in a way that's not excessively problematic.[/QUOTE] so you're not gonna call trans people by their proper pronouns unless they've legally changed their gender?

[QUOTE=Rubs10;50527813]Yes because someone who gives enough of a shit to not misgender a trans person is just going to ignore the fact that they were stabbed yes that makes perfect sense thank you people[/QUOTE] It's easy to get the impression that they are ignoring the fact that they were stabbed when pretty much the entirety of this thread has been people getting pissy and offended on another person's behalf because of a few words being wrong in a translated article. I mean seriously, can we focus on the part of the article where someone's life is threatened?

[QUOTE=Thlis;50527901]It's easy to get the impression that they are ignoring the fact that they were stabbed when pretty much the entirety of this thread has been people getting pissy and offended on another person's behalf because of a few words being wrong in a translated article. I mean seriously, can we focus on the part of the article where someone's life is threatened?[/QUOTE] Here's the real news just for you dude! It's possible to care about events reported in the news while still seeking less bigotry from the new source! Wow! How's that for sensationalism! No one reported the Orlando attack as "Muslim extremist guns down 50 faggots " for a great reason dude! it's because that's ignorant as shit! Just like misgendering!

[QUOTE=Rubs10;50527935]Here's the real news just for you dude! It's possible to care about events reported in the news while still seeking less bigotry from the new source! Wow! How's that for sensationalism![/QUOTE] Why are you acting so pissy about this? Do you really not get how a translated article is more likely to have issues with complex terms?

[QUOTE=Saturn V;50527895]so you're not gonna call trans people by their proper pronouns unless they've legally changed their gender?[/QUOTE] what's "proper" is an opinion some prefer to call transgender people by their original gender pronoun, others don't

[QUOTE=Thlis;50527954]Why are you acting so pissy about this? Do you really not get how a translated article is more likely to have issues with complex terms?[/QUOTE] I'm mainly arguing against people saying misgendering someone isn't discussion worthy because of a more serious event Maybe the article just mistranslated, that's fine shit happens. But that's not the presumption everyone is debating from. [QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50527961]what's "proper" is an opinion some prefer to call transgender people by their original gender pronoun, others don't[/QUOTE] Well yeah dude, being a dick has always been subjective

[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50527961]what's "proper" is an opinion some prefer to call transgender people by their original gender pronoun, others don't[/QUOTE] what

How to completely derail a SH thread in three simple steps. 1. Read the thread op and notice one thing out of line. 2. Have the first post of the thread be your post talking about the unimportant part of an important subject. 3. Whatever happens happens.

[QUOTE=Thlis;50527901]It's easy to get the impression that they are ignoring the fact that they were stabbed when pretty much the entirety of this thread has been people getting pissy and offended on another person's behalf because of a few words being wrong in a translated article. I mean seriously, can we focus on the part of the article where someone's life is threatened?[/QUOTE] Well actually it's been like, one whole person, who brought up the pronouns thing because it's pretty disrespectful to the victim of a hate crime to ignore part of their identy. The real shitshow happened when a group of posters for some reason took great offence to someone asking for a victim to be treated with dignity (this now includes you as well for conitnuing the shitshow, and me I suppose). We can focus on more than one thing at once. I keep seeing this "buh what abou' x????" bullshit a lot more recently. You do realise we are capable of discussing multiple things at once right? Discussing one thing does not mean we are ignoring the other or dismissing it entirely.

[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;50527252]Uhm, pretty sure people like him get attacked because theres crazy people that still can't accept transgendered people. OR, you know, maybe because they are part of one of the shittiest groups of people ever to walk the Earth that advocate violence on almost everyone? Not as fucked up as getting fucking stabbed. Misgendering, a bigger deal than getting stabbed because of being a transgender. Holy crap. That's about as stupid as getting ran over by a car, and then getting pissed at the EMT's for cutting your clothes off when they're trying to save you. And no I'm not comparing that to being misgendered. I'm saying that both things are pretty stupid things to worry about after you've almost DIED.[/QUOTE] Do you always blow things this out of proportion..? He was misgendered in this and probably many other articles. Stuff like that is why transphobia is so casually accepted. And transphobia is why the person was stabbed. Misgendering them is a symptom of the problem that leads to more of the problem. Don't see why you're so angry about it. Anyway this year continues to get deadlier for LGBT people and it's scaring the fuck out of me tbh.

[QUOTE=Paige;50528158]Do you always blow things this out of proportion..? He was misgendered in this and probably many other articles. Stuff like that is why transphobia is so casually accepted. And transphobia is why the person was stabbed. Misgendering them is a symptom of the problem that leads to more of the problem. Don't see why you're so angry about it. Anyway this year continues to get deadlier for LGBT people and it's scaring the fuck out of me tbh.[/QUOTE] Tbh, it can hurt (me as a man) if someone calls me a woman, and sometimes said 'man/manly' to girls out of fun and saw them getting quite worked out because of it. So it's not just transgender thing. Still getting stabbed is more offensive than fucking misgendering

[QUOTE=Fourier;50528477]Tbh, it can hurt (me as a man) if someone calls me a woman, and sometimes said 'man/manly' to girls out of fun and saw them getting quite worked out because of it. So it's not just transgender thing. Still getting stabbed is more offensive than fucking misgendering[/QUOTE] This is honestly a good attempt at trying to empathize with a group you don't identify with, I'd like to point out though that teasing a guy by calling him girly and misgendering a trans person are pretty different.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;50526895]Kinda shitty to use terms like "wants to become a man", and using the wrong gender pronoun.[/QUOTE] Thats petty as fuck, get over yourself.

since the translation is not the best, is the article saying the attackers had attacked him previously in tunisia?

[QUOTE=Lolkork;50528175]Said who?[/QUOTE] Don't ask me, but you were the one who took the time to tell someone that its a big no-no to adress someone by the wrong pronoun. In a thread where someone got stabbed. You really don't see the point I'm doing here do you? [editline]16th June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Paige;50528158]Do you always blow things this out of proportion..? He was misgendered in this and probably many other articles. Stuff like that is why transphobia is so casually accepted. And transphobia is why the person was stabbed. Misgendering them is a symptom of the problem that leads to more of the problem. Don't see why you're so angry about it. Anyway this year continues to get deadlier for LGBT people and it's scaring the fuck out of me tbh.[/QUOTE] Really? Because of someone not identifying his gender correctly? Totally not because people might be, to put it lightly, weirded out by the change going from one gender to another? I mean, I don't think people would hurt someone else just because they get their gender wrong, and more because they don't agree with the process or something of the sort. I'm not angry about it. I just find it extremely odd that a person gets stabbed by the equivalent of Islam's Inquisition, and people just comment on how they got the guy's pronouns wrong. To put it in another way, I'm pretty damn sure ISIS isn't gonna kill transgendered people because they misgender them, and more because in their minds they think its wrong.

[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;50529484]Don't ask me, but you were the one who took the time to tell someone that its a big no-no to adress someone by the wrong pronoun. In a thread where someone got stabbed. You really don't see the point I'm doing here do you? [editline]16th June 2016[/editline] Really? Because of someone not identifying his gender correctly? Totally not because people might be, to put it lightly, weirded out by the change going from one gender to another? I mean, I don't think people would hurt someone else just because they get their gender wrong, and more because they don't agree with the process or something of the sort. I'm not angry about it. I just find it extremely odd that a person gets stabbed by the equivalent of Islam's Inquisition, and people just comment on how they got the guy's pronouns wrong. To put it in another way, I'm pretty damn sure ISIS isn't gonna kill transgendered people because they misgender them, and more because in their minds they think its wrong.[/QUOTE] They aren't arguing that misgendering is what causes violence, it's more like this: transphobia -> anti-trans hate crimes transphobia -> misgendering misgendering -/-> anti-trans hate crimes misgendering is a really shitty thing to do and casual acceptance of it enforces the idea that it's okay to disregard trans people as their identified gender. Also, the only person who said misgendering was a bigger deal than being stabbed was RobL, who somehow got the implication that Coyoteze was more concerned about the misgendering in the article.

[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50527961]what's "proper" is an opinion some prefer to call transgender people by their original gender pronoun, others don't[/QUOTE] and those who prefer to use a transgenders original gender pronouns are literal trash people.

I've yet to see a civil thread on anything news related to transgenderism Jesus christ guys

[QUOTE=Mini Shot;50529802]They aren't arguing that misgendering is what causes violence, it's more like this: transphobia -> anti-trans hate crimes transphobia -> misgendering misgendering -/-> anti-trans hate crimes misgendering is a really shitty thing to do and casual acceptance of it enforces the idea that it's okay to disregard trans people as their identified gender. Also, the only person who said misgendering was a bigger deal than being stabbed was RobL, who somehow got the implication that Coyoteze was more concerned about the misgendering in the article.[/QUOTE] Misgendering just sounds like someone made an honest mistake and misgendered someone because the person in question is actually the opposite gender of what he/she looks like, excluding a few daft occasions, and obviously excluding when its 100% on purpose. If its on purpose, that's just being a transphobic ass imo. I mean, you can't really blame someone for not knowing another person doesn't really identifies as the gender he/she's given, can you? Plus, is it that huge of a deal if they adress the victim in the op by the gender before op, seeing how she's technicaly still a woman? (if she still IS a woman, ofc) Honest question here really.

[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;50530130]Misgendering just sounds like someone made an honest mistake and misgendered someone because the person in question is actually the opposite gender of what he/she looks like, excluding a few daft occasions, and obviously excluding when its 100% on purpose. If its on purpose, that's just being a transphobic ass imo. I mean, you can't really blame someone for not knowing another person doesn't really identifies as the gender he/she's given, can you? Plus, is it that huge of a deal if they adress the victim in the op by the gender before op, seeing how she's technicaly still a woman? (if she still IS a woman, ofc) Honest question here really.[/QUOTE] Well usually when people talk about misgendering they're actually referring to purposely using the wrong pronouns. Usually what happens is: Person A: [wrong pronoun] Person B: Actually it's [right pronoun] Person A: Oh, sorry [right pronoun] If Person A kept on using the wrong pronouns on purpose then it's misgendering Also I'm just gonna say that the person is not [I]actually[/I] the opposite gender of what they look like, gender does not equal sex. And in this case, please refer to the victim as 'he', even if he won't read this you should still respect his identity. And why should it matter if he's 'technically still a woman'? Obviously from the article you can tell that he doesn't identify as a woman, so using 'she' is being rude tbh

[QUOTE=Cocacoladude;50528624]Thats petty as fuck, get over yourself.[/QUOTE] I make one small tangent on the main article and everyone instantly thinks I'm some SJW tumblrist who prioritizes the pronouns over stabbing. Are you guys hearing yourselves right now? Do you [I]honestly [/I]think anyone here values the misgendering over the stabbing? And[I] I'm[/I] the petty one? ok

[QUOTE=Cocacoladude;50528624]Thats petty as fuck, get over yourself.[/QUOTE] How hard is it to just you know not misgender Why blow it out of proportion so much, it was a single comment and you guys derailed the entire thread over it

[QUOTE=Tarver;50530037]I've yet to see a civil thread on anything news related to transgenderism Jesus christ guys[/QUOTE] They're a minefield

[QUOTE=Tarver;50530037]I've yet to see a civil thread on anything news related to transgenderism Jesus christ guys[/QUOTE] A topic infested with extremely, and I mean extremely, sensitive men pretending to be women with male allies wanting to win a moral crusade, consequences be damned, explodes into flamewars often? Wowee! What a shocker! [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Trolling" - Swebonny))[/highlight] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shitposting / Trolling, extended due to history. Do it again and you're permabanned." - Swebonny))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Ziron;50531778]sensitive men pretending to be women[/QUOTE] stop