Gang who killed teen Nicholas Pearton like pack of dogs jailed for 74 years - Polidicks

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;31562107]No? it's quite easy to say "don't do this blahblah" when you are not living in hardships that push you into crime to survive.[/QUOTE] I meant calling someone a privileged white teenager because they don't agree with your opinion on crimes. It's baseless because to know this, you would have to know this person, assumptions don't have much place in arguments usually.

Fucking faggots, should be locked up for longer. Read the thread guys, the longest one of them is in jail for is only 10 years, not 74. It should be 74 though.

Three of them have the potential for life sentences, with a minimum of 15, 14, and 12 years. The others recieved 10, 8, 8, and 7 years and then one received a 12 month suspended sentence. Also, has anyone noticed how, in the past couple of days, the big thing in this section has been to call everything possible a "faggot"? Time was you would get banned immediately for homophobia if you said that.

[QUOTE=Badballer;31562356]Fucking faggots, should be locked up for longer. Read the thread guys, the longest one of them is in jail for is only 10 years, not 74. It should be 74 though.[/QUOTE] This is such a great post, because I was thinking that what this thread needed was a nice bit of homophobia to go along with the bloodlust.

[QUOTE=-Mud-;31563748]This is such a great post, because I was thinking that what this thread needed was a nice bit of homophobia to go along with the bloodlust.[/QUOTE] Using faggot as an insult isn't homophobia. It's annoying how often homophobia is tossed around.

[QUOTE=Rebi;31563842]Using faggot as an insult isn't homophobia. It's annoying how often homophobia is tossed around.[/QUOTE] The term faggot is inherently homophobic. It's annoying how often [i]it[/i] gets tossed around.

[QUOTE=-Mud-;31563874]The term faggot is inherently homophobic. It's annoying how often [i]it[/i] gets tossed around.[/QUOTE] When a term is used enough times it transcends from it original meaning to some generic insulting term. I've called plenty of people retards, that doesn't mean I have anything against disabled people.

[QUOTE=Chrille;31563923]When a term is used enough times it transcends from it original meaning to some generic insulting term. I've called plenty of people retards, that doesn't mean I have anything against disabled people.[/QUOTE] I wasn't aware that there were anti-disabled hate rallies that use retard as a rallying cry. Regardless of whether or not the intention is to demean gays, the word has anti-gay connotations and acting like it transcends those connotations just because it gets used a lot isn't going to help the situation.

Racism... now in effect

[QUOTE=Rebi;31563842]Using faggot as an insult isn't homophobia.[/QUOTE] it's a homophobic slur, so, yeah it is the person may not have intended homophobia when they used the word, but using the word is implicitly condoning homophobia. [editline]6th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=-Mud-;31563955]I wasn't aware that there were anti-disabled hate rallies that use retard as a rallying cry. Regardless of whether or not the intention is to demean gays, the word has anti-gay connotations and acting like it transcends those connotations just because it gets used a lot isn't going to help the situation.[/QUOTE] in fact it's sorta the opposite. it's widespread use just speaks to the internalized homophobia that a lot of people/society as a whole still harbor and by defending the word people are enabling bigots. the fact that you've gotten used to hearing it doesn't mean it's suddenly stopped being an offensive word; it means you're surrounded by homophobes/are still in highschool using "faggot" as an insult is no different from using "jew" as synonym for "cheat" or casually throwing the word "rape" around. regardless of how much the perpetrator will talk up how they're not a racist/homophobe it's still a bad, harmful habit and they should fucking cut it out. [editline]6th August 2011[/editline] people defending using the word should be damn grownups and realize that your words have real, serious impacts on the people around you and just because you can talk at length out of your ass about how "it's not really homophobic, it's just a common word" doesn't mean those people are going to indulge you. at worst you're perpetuating hate and bigotry and the best you're just making yourself look like a child

That's sort of what I was going for, but you've explained it a lot better than I could have.

[QUOTE=Chrille;31563923]When a term is used enough times it transcends from it original meaning to some generic insulting term.[/QUOTE] no it doesn't. in parts of the south pre-1960's "nigger" was practically used as punctuation in the common vernacular but that didn't mean that black people who heard it suddenly stopped minding when the word was said. i know as a (taking a leap of faith here, I know) straight, white guy you can't imagine people feeling differently about a word than you do but people do, and not you, nor anyone else is qualified to just casually raise the "the word isn't offensive anymore, let's niggerfaggot it up yall" flag just because, like, everyone totally says the word, bro; its no big deal man

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;31564300]no it doesn't. in parts of the south pre-1960's "nigger" was practically used as punctuation in the common vernacular but that didn't mean that black people who heard it suddenly stopped minding when the word was said. i know as a (taking a leap of faith here, I know) straight, white guy you can't imagine people feeling differently about a word than you do but people do, and not you, nor anyone else is qualified to just casually raise the "the word isn't offensive anymore, let's niggerfaggot it up yall" flag just because, like, everyone totally says the word, bro; its no big deal man[/QUOTE] I can see your point.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;31564300]no it doesn't. in parts of the south pre-1960's "nigger" was practically used as punctuation in the common vernacular but that didn't mean that black people who heard it suddenly stopped minding when the word was said. i know as a (taking a leap of faith here, I know) straight, white guy you can't imagine people feeling differently about a word than you do but people do, and not you, nor anyone else is qualified to just casually raise the "the word isn't offensive anymore, let's niggerfaggot it up yall" flag just because, like, everyone totally says the word, bro; its no big deal man[/QUOTE] Wow, someone on Facepunch who actually manages to convince others of their opinion successfully.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;31564163]it's a homophobic slur, so, yeah it is the person may not have intended homophobia when they used the word, but using the word is implicitly condoning homophobia.[/QUOTE] Homophobia is a hatred or fear of homosexuals, unless you are knowingly using the word against someone you know is a homosexual to poke fun at their sexuality, it isn't really homophobia. Using the root of words is pointless, every time you say fuck, you mean sex? Yes, faggot is used occasionally for homophobic reasons, but every time it's used, it isn't implying who said it is a homophobe. Fag didn't even start out as a derogatory term.

[QUOTE=benzi2k7;31548825]that's very easy to say from a person who is not poor and not black and lives a very comfy life[/QUOTE] Ha we have a black president now, stop attempting to play race card. White people can be poor as well.

wow UK law is terrible they would all get much longer sentences in the US(and ofc if the judge was white they'd be even longer)

I like how they committed premeditated murder and the highest sentence is 10 years and how much you want to bet it will go down for "good behaviour" England your justice system fucking sucks. [editline]7th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Ond kaja;31560179]They are 16 years old and they get imprisoned for life? They may have committed a terrible crime but having a such long sentence will hardly help anyone.[/QUOTE] There is a reason some cases are brought up to "adult" court. Being 16 is a lot different than being 12. I'd almost say 16 is near adulthood mental wise. They sure as hell aren't innocent due to age and mental incapability. [editline]7th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Gareth;31552280]lol this is in the UK not the US, things are different here. If you live in poverty, you steal shit or get a job or live off benefits to survive. [/QUOTE] Fuck just cause someone is poor it doesn't mean their morals should go out the window, nor should their crimes be justifiable. "I'm poor it's societies fault so I'm going to leech off the system and steal, fuck da police, etc etc"

The severity of your crime determines how you will be tried, If you are 16 and you kill someone...you will be tried as an adult. If you are 16 and you steal from a convenience store, there is a fair chance you will be tried as a minor.

And to the people saying "oh racist this racist that," like someone else said statistics aren't racist. More blacks commit crime than white but a lot people get stuck at that point. They see the black + crime and their mind stops thinking deeper. There is an obvious deeper issue than race. In my opinion a lot of it is the lack of proper education and parenting that have a lot of these black families going in this round about cycle of crime and poverty. They are not innocent in what they do and aren't pardoned for their crimes because of it but there is onus on society as well [editline]7th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=An Actual Bear;31579015]The severity of your crime determines how you will be tried, If you are 16 and you kill someone...you will be tried as an adult. If you are 16 and you steal from a convenience store, there is a fair chance you will be tried as a minor.[/QUOTE] Apparently not in England. You have to be 18 years old with an ID to buy fucking silverware but at the same time if you kill someone you get like 7 years and probably less with good behavior.

itt white privilege

[QUOTE=An Actual Bear;31578594]Ha we have a black president now, stop attempting to play race card. White people can be poor as well.[/QUOTE] Yes white people can be poor, but if you have the money to pay for an internet connection and own a computer you aren't exactly poor. [editline]7th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Aman VII;31579042]And to the people saying "oh racist this racist that," like someone else said statistics aren't racist. More blacks commit crime than white but a lot people get stuck at that point. They see the black + crime and their mind stops thinking deeper. There is an obvious deeper issue than race. In my opinion a lot of it is the lack of proper education and parenting that have a lot of these black families going in this round about cycle of crime and poverty. They are not innocent in what they do and aren't pardoned for their crimes because of it but there is onus on society as well [/QUOTE] Exactly. Crime is caused by poverty. Statistics show that violent crimes are committed by young, poor males. You don't see rich or middle class people committing crimes with guns or knives. And the people who advocate tougher laws on crime are the same people who want to cut "entitlements" for these poor people. If they got more money from the government so they wouldn't be so poor then they wouldn't commit crimes.

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;31579350] And the people who advocate tougher laws on crime are the same people who want to cut "entitlements" for these poor people. If they got more money from the government so they wouldn't be so poor then they wouldn't commit crimes.[/QUOTE] Eh now I'm not going that far. You can't just pour money on something and assume it will fix itself. They personally shouldn't get more money from the government as that fixes nothing and is a waste of money. Just handing them more money in welfare increases the idea of leeching off of the nanny state. I'm talking about the education system, community stuff, etc. And really the whole idea of eliminating poverty goes hand in hand with the pipe dream of world peace. The poor have always been in societies since the beginning of time. They've been the 'burden' for every country and there will never be no poor people. It's just how countries choose to deal with them gives different effects and outcomes.

[QUOTE=Aman VII;31579416]Eh now I'm not going that far. You can't just pour money on something and assume it will fix itself. They personally shouldn't get more money from the government as that fixes nothing and is a waste of money. Just handing them more money in welfare increases the idea of leeching off of the nanny state. I'm talking about the education system, community stuff, etc. And really the whole idea of eliminating poverty goes hand in hand with the pipe dream of world peace. The poor have always been in societies since the beginning of time. They've been the 'burden' for every country and there will never be no poor people. It's just how countries choose to deal with them gives different effects and outcomes.[/QUOTE] True. It's just the idea of cutting welfare spending when it's already not that much is just going to make it worse. I don't think you could solve it purely with welfare spending.

[QUOTE=Rebi;31578493]Homophobia is a hatred or fear of homosexuals, unless you are knowingly using the word against someone you know is a homosexual to poke fun at their sexuality, it isn't really homophobia. Using the root of words is pointless, every time you say fuck, you mean sex? Yes, faggot is used occasionally for homophobic reasons, but every time it's used, it isn't implying who said it is a homophobe. Fag didn't even start out as a derogatory term.[/QUOTE]Trouble is, "Faggot" is intended as a homophobic word, and is always intended as an insult. Just because you aren't calling someone that with the explicit purpose of mocking their sexuality does not mean it isn't an inherently homophobic word. Its no different than going into a thread, for example the one about Foxconn, and saying "Fucking niggers, they're taking away people's jobs."

[QUOTE=Villein;31559905]... They ruined their own lives when they chose to murder the victim. Being a kid doesn't get you a free pass when you kill someone.[/QUOTE] yes but it does (or is meant to) get you a different kind of sentence because kids are easily encouraged to do stupid shit without thinking of the consequences.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;31580127]yes but it does (or is meant to) get you a different kind of sentence because kids are easily encouraged to do stupid shit without thinking of the consequences.[/QUOTE] And i'm sure if this was your son who was brutally murdered by these people you would be saying this, wouldn't you? They committed the fucking crime. They all murdered another human being. Why do people like you try to defend scum like this? Why think about them? Why feel sorry for them? Fuck them. [QUOTE=BrickInHead;31548748]statistically blacks and whites commit the same percentage of crime actually blacks just have a 30%~ conviction rate as opposed to the 5% of white males.[/QUOTE] Source of your information please? Also you seem to be forgetting that as things stand the white population exceeds the black population by quite a large distance in the Usa.

A lot of today's poverty can be traced back decades where there was a lot more overt racism in society. An example being during the early to mid 1900's black people were unable to get things like loans to start up businesses/homes, good paying jobs, and educations because of how much overt racism existed. This meant that black families could not acquire wealth to pass down their children. Leading to a disproportion amount of black families in poverty conditions even today because they have almost no opportunities to rise out of that poverty. Even today there are still racist tendencies in society such as a black person having less of a chance to get a job than a white person and the pay relation that occurs with race. In reality poverty and race have strong connections.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;31548267]its racism that causes them to do said crimes ever wonder why blacks are more likely to be in poverty? stupids: it's because racists/racism these days fucks them over and causes them to be poor, as well with other minorities[/QUOTE] Chinese immigrants are also minority's but seem to be doing just fine. Somewhere black people have to have started getting their bad name.

[QUOTE=taipan;31580869]Chinese immigrants are also minority's but seem to be doing just fine. Somewhere black people have to have started getting their bad name.[/QUOTE]Chinese immigrants as a whole haven't been subjected to the same treatment throughout history as blacks have. Blacks have always been subjected to the worst treatment in society and been shoved to the end of the line both metaphorically and literally.