[QUOTE=Craptasket;40866887]Like it's your job to decide that. Back on topic, thanks.[/QUOTE]
go back to sleep america
YOU ARE FREE TO DO AS WE TELL YOU
okay im done
[QUOTE=joes33431;40866917]you haven't been making an argument; you said that 'there were negative effects I swear guys' and then you posted [I]one single source[/I] that supported your claim in ways that are not [I]directly shown to be caused by cannabis[/I].
you are the one who is pretending that everyone else is unreasonable. if you want to engage in a rational debate, then you have to defend your points and address peoples' criticisms, instead of moaning on with this 'oh no everyone here is so irrational and is ignoring facts because they have a different opinion than i do and are willing to criticize the things that i pose as argument' bullshit.[/QUOTE]
It can't be shown to be "directly caused by cannabis" because you can always say "other factors", and that's how you can continue this argument, because you need something that can't be given.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40866912]Okay here we go:
[url]http://alcoholism.about.com/od/pot/a/blnida050110.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14672250[/url]
[url]http://www.csam-asam.org/adverse-effects-marijuana-healthcare-professionals[/url] (even mentions my concept of "pushing people that little bit over to being failures" [ctrl + f 'school failure'])
[url]http://www.nber.org/reporter/winter05/pacula.html[/url]
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Now tell me how they're all wrong please, I can't wait for you to shit on my efforts just because I don't conform to your thought process.[/QUOTE]
[quote]When 14-year-old Irma Perez of Belmont, California, took a single ecstasy pill one evening last April, she had no idea she would become one of the 26,000 people who die every year from drugs. Irma took ecstasy with two of her 14-year-old friends in her home. Soon after taking the tiny blue pill, Irma complained of feeling awful and said she felt like she was "going to die."
Instead of seeking medical care, her friends called the 17-year-old dealer who supplied the pills and asked for advice. The friends tried to get Irma to smoke marijuana, but when she couldn't because she was vomiting and lapsing into a coma, they stuffed marijuana leaves into her mouth because, according to news sources, "they knew that drug is sometimes used to treat cancer patients."
Irma Perez died from taking ecstasy, but compounding that tragedy was the deadly decision to use marijuana to "treat" her instead of making what could have been a lifesaving call to 911.[/quote]
this is how you picture us, isn't it?
You can throw facts and play "pros vs cons" all day, but that is hardly going to change most people's opinions, because we're all hard-asses. Ignorance is bliss. I'm going to thank the garbage anti-drug programs being peddled to kids in school for that.
Whether you're educated in the subject or not, please realize [B]legalizing drugs is a step in the right direction.[/B] It's very arguable if you want to legalize or decriminalize harder drugs like heroin or cocaine, but you're a fool if you think cannabis should remain illegal.
[QUOTE=innerfire34;40866942]this is how you picture us, isn't it?[/QUOTE]
One source "debunked", 3 to go.
yeah look what happened with prohibition
[QUOTE=polarbear.;40866944]You can throw facts and play "pros vs cons" all day, but that is hardly going to change most people's opinions, because we're all hard-asses. Ignorance is bliss. I'm going to thank the garbage anti-drug programs being peddled to kids in school for that.
Whether you're educated in the subject or not, please realize [B]legalizing drugs is a step in the right direction.[/B] It's very arguable if you want to legalize or decriminalize harder drugs like heroin or cocaine, but you're a fool if you think cannabis should remain illegal.[/QUOTE]
Agreed.
[editline]1st June 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=FoodStuffs;40866957]yeah look what happened with prohibition[/QUOTE]
Not saying I want it to be illegal, why does wanting to make its effects known make me want to make it illegal?
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40866953]One source "debunked", 3 to go.[/QUOTE]
you didn't answer the question
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40866953]One source "debunked", 3 to go.[/QUOTE]
a source isn't a source unless it's reputable.
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[QUOTE=innerfire34;40866966]you didn't answer the question[/QUOTE]
seems to be a lot of that going on...
[QUOTE=innerfire34;40866966]you didn't answer the question[/QUOTE]
Oh you mean your taunt wasn't completely rhetorical?
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40866973]Oh you mean your taunt wasn't completely rhetorical?[/QUOTE]
seriously what is your problem
did your cousin od on weed needles?
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40866959]
Not saying I want it to be illegal, why does wanting to make its effects known make me want to make it illegal?[/QUOTE]
addiction to anything at all is a danger, pot especially because it feels nice
you can become addicted to it because it feels nice
these are the effects that you want known? good. done. move on. your message has already been spread.
[QUOTE=FoodStuffs;40866983]seriously what is your problem
did your cousin od on weed needles?[/QUOTE]
Wtf are you completely ignoring my posts just so you can't trash on me?
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40866912]Okay here we go:
[url]http://alcoholism.about.com/od/pot/a/blnida050110.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14672250[/url]
[url]http://www.csam-asam.org/adverse-effects-marijuana-healthcare-professionals[/url] (even mentions my concept of "pushing people that little bit over to being failures" [ctrl + f 'school failure'])
[url]http://www.nber.org/reporter/winter05/pacula.html[/url]
[editline]1st June 2013[/editline]
Now tell me how they're all wrong please, I can't wait for you to shit on my efforts just because I don't conform to your thought process.[/QUOTE]
That's cute that you've got all of your little links there in a neatly stacked column, but it's a well known [b]fact[/b] that several medical studies regarding the effects of marijuana have been both exaggerated and written as to intentionally mislead people into believing that it is a worse substance than it actually is.
Take for example [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14672250[/url] which clearly depicts a "scientific study" where they take several people of one group who smoke weed, and compare them to a group that may have partaken, but certainly less than 50 times in their life, and try to figure out whose happier and more successful. That is not a scientific study, that's a sham.
Take also for example [url]http://alcoholism.about.com/od/pot/a/blnida050110.htm[/url] , which says marijuana smokers make less money. No shit they make less money, all of the good jobs piss test!
[QUOTE=innerfire34;40866986]addiction to anything at all is a danger, pot especially because it feels nice
you can become addicted to it because it feels nice
these are the effects that you want known? good. done. move on. your message has already been spread.[/QUOTE]
No but it hasn't, you guys have shown some ridiculous ignorance by constantly attempting to deface all my sources that show exactly what I'm attempting to spread.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40866987]Wtf are you completely ignoring my posts just so you can't trash on me?[/QUOTE]
what's that supposed to mean?
and why don't you answer my question instead of obfuscating with deflection
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40866987]Wtf are you completely ignoring my posts just so you can't trash on me?[/QUOTE]
it'd be easier to take you seriously if you didn't act like a whiny child that just lost his temper whenever someone tries to argue against your claims.
[QUOTE=MarstunoM;40866995]That's cute that you've got all of your little links there in a neatly stacked column, but it's a well known [b]fact[/b] that several medical studies regarding the effects of marijuana have been both exaggerated and written as to intentionally mislead people into believing that it is a worse substance than it actually is.
Take for example [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14672250[/url] which clearly depicts a "scientific study" where they take several people of one group who smoke weed, and compare them to a group that may have partaken, but certainly less than 50 times in their life, and try to figure out whose happier and more successful. That is not a scientific study, that's a sham.
Take also for example [url]http://alcoholism.about.com/od/pot/a/blnida050110.htm[/url] , which says marijuana smokers make less money. No shit they make less money, all of the good jobs piss test![/QUOTE]
Well not only would all jobs being piss test dependent already prove my point that it's a negative effect on life, but there's also the problem of laziness that is obviously well known about, there are so many studies that show poorer educational performance, and you'll just justify why every source is wrong about it, but no one really would deny it if they weren't already convinced of their ignorant position.
It's clear that weed smoking makes people lazier, there are a lot of reasons, and it shares those reasons with most any sort of moderately addictive substance, and it's not good.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40867019]
It's clear that weed smoking makes people lazier, there are a lot of reasons[/QUOTE]
where?
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40866714]Yep, it's all a conspiracy. Okay.
[editline]1st June 2013[/editline]
[URL]http://www.ukcia.org/research/young/AdolescentCannabisUseEducationalAttainment.pdf[/URL]
"Conclusion: Cross-sectional and longitudinal research indi- cates that young people who use cannabis are at
increased risk of poor school performance and
reduced educational attainment. The evidence
from longitudinal studies suggests that some
component of these associations arises because
the risk factors that predispose young people to
cannabis use overlap with those factors that inde- pendently predict poor educational attainment. However, not all of the association between early
cannabis use and reduced educational attain- ment can be explained by the effects of common
or correlated risk factors. In particular, there is evidence that early cannabis use independently
increases the risks of early school leaving."[/QUOTE]
Wow.
That study doesn't prove anything. It is just looking at people who happen to smoke weed, not people who exclusively smoke weed. You can't draw conclusions about cannabis if there are so many other factors which could affect the outcome. Infact it says right there in that quote:
[quote]The evidence from longitudinal studies suggests that some component of these associations arises because the risk factors that predispose young people to cannabis use overlap with those factors that independently predict poor educational attainment.[/quote]
Or in laymans terms, "People smoke weed because their circumstances predispose them towards it. The same circumstances also make them more likely to do badly in school." It then goes on to talk about how it isn't the cannabis that makes them drop out of school early but the lifestyle which cannabis users often adopt due to socialising with drug users and dealers.
[quote]A plausible mechanism that may explain these associations has been suggested by Fergusson & Horwood,32 who argue that early cannabis use increases the chances of adopting an unconventional lifestyle characterized by affiliations with delinquent and substance-using peers and disengagement from conventional social roles including completing education and obtaining employment.[/quote]
Guess what, if cannabis was legal they wouldn't need to hang around with dealers on a street corner.
If you are going to cite a source, read it first.
[QUOTE=joes33431;40867014]it'd be easier to take you seriously if you didn't act like a whiny child that just lost his temper whenever someone tries to argue against your claims.[/QUOTE]
This is ridiculous, how am I doing that at all? I'm writing pretty long responses to your guys's arguments, longer than most of your guys's, how am I acting like a child if I'm arguing better than others?
you're for the most part making baseless conclusions and occasionally posting something you googled
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40866997]No but it hasn't, you guys have shown some ridiculous ignorance by constantly attempting to deface all my sources that show exactly what I'm attempting to spread.[/QUOTE]
'constantly attempting to deface your sources'? i posted a ridiculous quote from one of your 'sources' that you won't even comment on because it's so fucking stupid. that's not 'defacing' anything. and maybe some of us are well aware of the dangers of marijuana addiction because unlike you we have practical real life experience? in that case, which one of us would be the ignorant one?
[QUOTE=squids_eye;40867028]Wow.
That study doesn't prove anything. It is just looking at people who happen to smoke weed, not people who exclusively smoke weed. You can't draw conclusions about cannabis if there are so many other factors which could affect the outcome. Infact it says right there in that quote:
Or in laymans terms, "People smoke weed because their circumstances predispose them towards it. The same circumstances also make them more likely to do badly in school." It then goes on to talk about how it isn't the cannabis that makes them drop out of school early but the lifestyle which cannabis users often adopt due to socialising with drug users and dealers.
Guess what, if cannabis was legal they wouldn't need to hang around with dealers on a street corner.
If you are going to cite a source, read it first.[/QUOTE]
Seriously? Of course you can't make a sure statistical factually verified conjecture like "weed definitely caused this", but I'd be fucked if it wasn't clear that weed exacerbates the problems brought on upon by inherent laziness or whatever.
Honestly, I can't even be bothered to fight against it anymore. Anytime I voice my opinion all I do is get yelled out.
Oh, and it makes me mad when people say "Alcohol causes more deaths per year." Yes, but do you know how much alcohol you need to drink in order to be drunk? Smoke a joint and you're high.
[QUOTE=innerfire34;40867047]'constantly attempting to deface your sources'? i posted a ridiculous quote from one of your 'sources' that you won't even comment on because it's so fucking stupid. that's not 'defacing' anything. and maybe some of us are well aware of the dangers of marijuana addiction because unlike you we have practical real life experience? in that case, which one of us would be the ignorant one?[/QUOTE]
The fuck does that story even do anything with? It tells you a story of a person who overdosed because of some kid's idiocy, why does that mean anything to you? Shit are you really digging at staying in your static position that you use something as stupid as a little story quote to delegitimize it?
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40867031]This is ridiculous, how am I doing that at all? I'm writing pretty long responses to your guys's arguments, longer than most of your guys's, how am I acting like a child if I'm arguing better than others?[/QUOTE]
you're shouting at everyone that they're ignorant fools who won't listen to anything you're saying and rambling off about how we're just so entrenched in our ideals that we're blind to ~the truth~.
it's really something to behold when the same person who's saying these things has the debate skills of a brick wall.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40867073]The fuck does that story even do anything with? It tells you a story of a person who overdosed because of some kid's idiocy, why does that mean anything to you? Shit are you really digging at staying in your static position that you use something as stupid as a little story quote to delegitimize it?[/QUOTE]
the point is you don't even read your high-held 'sources'
[QUOTE=innerfire34;40867047]'constantly attempting to deface your sources'? i posted a ridiculous quote from one of your 'sources' that you won't even comment on because it's so fucking stupid. that's not 'defacing' anything. and maybe some of us are well aware of the dangers of marijuana addiction because unlike you we have practical real life experience? in that case, which one of us would be the ignorant one?[/QUOTE]
Ugh another ridiculous presumption based on my disagreeing with you, stop generalizing you fool. I have practical real life experience, and I'm not biased to defending my position, so I know that weed is a negative influence.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40867052]Seriously? Of course you can't make a sure statistical factually verified conjecture like "weed definitely caused this", but I'd be fucked if it wasn't clear that weed exacerbates the problems brought on upon by inherent laziness or whatever.[/QUOTE]
Dude, it says in the study that weed isn't the cause but a symptom.
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