• Changing US attitudes to legalising marijuana
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[QUOTE=joes33431;40867077]you're shouting at everyone that they're ignorant fools who won't listen to anything you're saying and rambling off about how we're just so entrenched in our ideals that we're blind to ~the truth~. it's really something to behold when the same person who's saying these things has the debate skills of a brick wall.[/QUOTE] Haha oh my god, you're trying to lecture me about debate skills when you guys resort to personal insults to get your way? Your arrogant ignorance is astounding, I have argued every point in every way that is required of typical debating procedures. Stop insulting me just because I disagree.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40867091]Ugh another ridiculous presumption based on my disagreeing with you, stop generalizing you fool. I have practical real life experience, and I'm not biased to defending my position, so I know that weed is a negative influence.[/QUOTE] you quoted me twice but that's cool. and like i said before, you are not a beautiful star point of objectivity in the chaos that is the internet, you are in fact, just as worthless as everyone else partaking in this conversation right now. your opinion holds exactly as much merit as everyone elses; none. i understand this, and i've been having fun with this conversation for that reason, but you seriously seem to believe your opinion is more important than everyone else's.
[QUOTE=squids_eye;40867104]Dude, it says in the study that weed isn't the cause but a symptom.[/QUOTE] No, it doesn't, it says that weed is a "possible symptom because we can't make a sure-fired connection", it takes a special kind of ignorance to interpret typical scientific rules as "we're right!"
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40867091]...and I'm not biased to defending my position, so I know that weed is a negative influence.[/QUOTE] where is the iron-e meter smiley when you need it most.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40867109]Haha oh my god, you're trying to lecture me about debate skills when you guys resort to personal insults to get your way? Your arrogant ignorance is astounding, I have argued every point in every way that is required of typical debating procedures. Stop insulting me just because I disagree.[/QUOTE] and you know what your opinion earns because of these actions? no points. totally worthless. not objective, not scientific, not from a valuable source, [I]worthless[/I].
[QUOTE=innerfire34;40867115]you quoted me twice but that's cool. and like i said before, you are not a beautiful star point of objectivity in the chaos that is the internet, you are in fact, just as worthless as everyone else partaking in this conversation right now. your opinion holds exactly as much merit as everyone elses; none. i understand this, and i've been having fun with this conversation for that reason, but you seriously seem to believe your opinion is more important than everyone else's.[/QUOTE] I read by segments I guess, and I was kinda hoping it'd merge but I shouldn't expect that it seems. Jesus christ, you're ridiculously sad, your first priority in an argument is attempt to make it all seem worthless? You don't know me, you don't know my experiences, just because you feel depressed for some reason doesn't mean we're worthless, especially when we use substantive evidence and studies to support our points. Worthless would be what you guys are arguing as, "<personal insult following my poor logical conclusion>", you guys aren't posting anything besides little jabs at sources that all show the same thing, ignorant people who have personal investment in a subject are extremely good at finding anything they want.
Is hemp legalized? Of the fringe and specialist uses available for an expensive item, hemp could be used to make papers for rolling up weed in.
[QUOTE=innerfire34;40867127]and you know what your opinion earns because of these actions? no points. totally worthless. not objective, not scientific, not from a valuable source, [I]worthless[/I].[/QUOTE] Lol you're hilarious, not objective, not scientific, not from a valuable source? I posted 6 sources and they're all worthless right? Because you say so? Because they disagree with you?
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40867146]I read by segments I guess, and I was kinda hoping it'd merge but I shouldn't expect that it seems. Jesus christ, you're ridiculously sad, your first priority in an argument is attempt to make it all seem worthless? You don't know me, you don't know my experiences, just because you feel depressed for some reason doesn't mean we're worthless, especially when we use substantive evidence and studies to support our points. Worthless would be what you guys are arguing as, "<personal insult following my poor logical conclusion>", you guys aren't posting anything besides little jabs at sources that all show the same thing, ignorant people who have personal investment in a subject are extremely good at finding anything they want.[/QUOTE] and you don't see how your holier than thou attitude is attached to the belief that you are 'more educated' than the rest of us, you know, like a personal investment?
[QUOTE=joes33431;40867122]where is the iron-e meter smiley when you need it most.[/QUOTE] the fuck you mean irony? I'm not showing bias, I'm using everything I know to draw a conclusion, and using objective scientific studies (sorry it doesn't agree with you, doesn't change its integrity just because you're scared) to further substantiate my claims.
just cause its on the internet doesnt make it true
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40867155]Lol you're hilarious, not objective, not scientific, not from a valuable source? I posted 6 sources and they're all worthless right? Because you say so? Because they disagree with you?[/QUOTE] no, i'm not questioning the studies. i'm questioning you. you do not gain credibility from hyperlinks.
[QUOTE=innerfire34;40867161]and you don't see how your holier than thou attitude is attached to the belief that you are 'more educated' than the rest of us, you know, like a personal investment?[/QUOTE] Yes I'm clearly attempting to prove my worth on a fucking internet forum. Just because that's what you'd do doesn't mean it's something anyone else would do. I don't care about your opinion's of me or whatever, I care about arguing my beliefs because that's the whole point here.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40867170]the fuck you mean irony? I'm not showing bias, I'm using everything I know to draw a conclusion, and using objective scientific studies (sorry it doesn't agree with you, doesn't change its integrity just because you're scared) to further substantiate my claims.[/QUOTE] and your argument still has 0 value funny how that works
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40867116]No, it doesn't, it says that weed is a "possible symptom because we can't make a sure-fired connection", it takes a special kind of ignorance to interpret typical scientific rules as "we're right!"[/QUOTE] I wasn't saying "we're right!", I was saying "You're wrong!". You posted a study which directly contradicted the point you were trying to make, A+ debate skills.
[QUOTE=innerfire34;40867178]and your argument still has 0 value funny how that works[/QUOTE] Your reasons for believing that is really only because I disagree with you, it's really sad that you don't see this.
Lambadvanced, how much weed would somebody have to smoke to overdose? How many deaths are reported annually with a connection to marijuana? I have serious doubts that you have bothered at all to research the topic at hand further than the first search results page of Google.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40867175]Yes I'm clearly attempting to prove my worth on a fucking internet forum. Just because that's what you'd do doesn't mean it's something anyone else would do. I don't care about your opinion's of me or whatever, I care about arguing my beliefs because that's the whole point here.[/QUOTE] tell me more about how you've been angrily lashing out at a bunch of glorified stoned trolls for four pages because you don't care about what people think
[QUOTE=squids_eye;40867179]I wasn't saying "we're right!", I was saying "You're wrong!". You posted a study which directly contradicted the point you were trying to make, A+ debate skills.[/QUOTE] It contradicted it how? I'm claiming that "weed is the cause of this" and the study showed the correlation was definitely there, and has been backed up by many other studies. It seems evident that weed is the common factor in a lot of problems, and it would be ridiculous not to accept that it shows negative influences on life. [editline]1st June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=MarstunoM;40867186]Lambadvanced, how much weed would somebody have to smoke to overdose? How many deaths are reported annually with a connection to marijuana? I have serious doubts that you have bothered at all to research the topic at hand further than the first search results page of Google.[/QUOTE] When did I argue anything about casualty rates? Just because people don't DIE doesn't mean it isn't harmful. [editline]1st June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=innerfire34;40867190]tell me more about how you've been angrily lashing out at a bunch of glorified stoned trolls for four pages because you don't care about what people think[/QUOTE] So because I don't care if you feel condescended on by me it means that I'm a [insert whatever your presumption up there is stereotypes as] [editline]1st June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=MarstunoM;40867186] I have serious doubts that you have bothered at all to research the topic at hand further than the first search results page of Google.[/QUOTE] Ironic you say that, I'm the only person posting anything useful here, everyone else is just bashing on it without posting anything that contradicts my points, only the evidence I'm attempting to use to prove my point (which it does, believe it or not)
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40867195]When did I argue anything about casualty rates? Just because people don't DIE doesn't mean it isn't harmful.[/QUOTE] What you are arguing is from a position of absolute intolerance and willful misunderstanding. If you have had an experience in life with marijuana, it was certainly bad enough to send you on a crusade against it and everyone who smokes it, regardless of any rhyme or reason.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40867195] When did I argue anything about casualty rates? Just because people don't DIE doesn't mean it isn't [B]harmful.[/B][/QUOTE] [quote]harm (härm) n. 1. Physical or psychological injury or damage. 2. Wrong; evil.[/quote] is there anything in the fucking universe that isn't capable of being harmful? why is this so special to you? because it's important to us? you must care what we think.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40867109]Haha oh my god, you're trying to lecture me about debate skills when you guys resort to [B]personal insults[/B] to get your way?...Stop insulting me just because I disagree.[/QUOTE] you are the literal definition of a hypocrite [QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40867091]Ugh another ridiculous presumption based on my disagreeing with you, stop generalizing [B]you fool[/B]. I have practical real life experience, and I'm not biased to defending my position, so I know that weed is a negative influence.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40866709]Jesus christ are you guys so fucking scared of this that you immediately personally insult someone? How [B]pathetic[/B] that you abandon human decency for your fucking agenda.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40866659]Yeah you can think of it that way if you really don't want to admit its negative effect, if you want to show your [B]desperate ignorance[/B], then [B]that's cute[/B].[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40867259]Yes everything is capable of harm, it's [B]retarded[/B] that you say that because it's so pointless, everything is harmful, but clearly some things are much more often harmful than others, and [B]you people are ignorant[/B] of how harmful weed is for whatever reason.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40866651]Beautiful straw man, definitely a good entry onto this argument.[/QUOTE] the [I]very defintion[/I] [QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40866730]Yep weed is a wonder drug, it does nothing wrong, good opinions.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40866714]Yep, it's all a conspiracy. Okay.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40867183]Your reasons for believing that is really only because I disagree with you, it's really sad that you don't see this.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40867259]Okay so you admit it's harmful, but you don't want to admit it's harmful at the same time?* Your logic: "Oh guns are dangerous eh? A toothbrush can be used to murder, everything is dangerous, so what makes guns special?"[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40867285]Wow, so I must remain a complete saint in an argument [B]where my opposition's main strategy is to personally insult me[/B], or else I can't possibly complain about the insults.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40867303]Okay, so you just want to end this argument at the interpretation spot? Don't admit that weed shows an obviously negative effect on success (defined by income and educational attainment), say that it's clearly the other factors, it could be the fact that they sleep on their backs for all we know, right?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40867170](sorry it doesn't agree with you, doesn't change its integrity [B]just because you're scared[/B])[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40867364]When the fuck did I say I didn't care what he thinks? [B]Why are you so caught up on that[/B]? I said I didn't care about your opinions of me, why would I? I do, however, care a bit about people's opinions, especially about things I'm attempting to argue. [B]Why do you constantly attempt to make this some grand scheme of things argument to throw it away through discouragement instead of actually arguing?[/B] I am very introspective, I'm very understanding of myself and I know very well why I believe what I believe, and why I act the way I act. I don't see your point.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40867407]I have clearly less personal investments than people like you who wish to justify their habit to themselves.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40867441]This is embarrassing to see someone go to such lengths to attempt to shame someone [B]because they disagree with you[/B].[/QUOTE] keep throwin' em at me, lambda
[QUOTE=joes33431;40867229]you are the literal definition of a hypocrite [/QUOTE] i laughed out loud and decided to continue when he laid out the straw man comment
There's too much dumb in this thread to handle
[QUOTE=innerfire34;40867223]is there anything in the fucking universe that isn't capable of being harmful? why is this so special to you? because it's important to us? you must care what we think.[/QUOTE] Okay so you admit it's harmful, but you don't want to admit it's harmful at the same time? Yes everything is capable of harm, it's retarded that you say that because it's so pointless, everything is harmful, but clearly some things are much more often harmful than others, and you people are ignorant of how harmful weed is for whatever reason. Your logic: "Oh guns are dangerous eh? A toothbrush can be used to murder, everything is dangerous, so what makes guns special?"
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40867195]It contradicted it how? I'm claiming that "weed is the cause of this" and the study showed the correlation was definitely there, and has been backed up by many other studies. It seems evident that weed is the common factor in a lot of problems, and it would be ridiculous not to accept that it shows negative influences on life.[/QUOTE] Yes it shows some correlation. It then goes on to say that although there is correlation there is not causation, you can't disregard parts of a study just to suit your purposes and expect people not to call you out on it.
[QUOTE=innerfire34;40867223]is there anything in the fucking universe that isn't capable of being harmful? why is this so special to you? because it's important to us? you must care what we think.[/QUOTE] no seriously though, go have an e-crusade with articles written by dea agents about things that cause physical harm and not the perceived psychological kind
[QUOTE=joes33431;40867229]you are the literal definition of a hypocrite the [I]very defintion[/I][/QUOTE] Wow, so I must remain a complete saint in an argument where my opposition's main strategy is to personally insult me, or else I can't possibly complain about the insults?
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40867285]Wow, so I must remain a complete saint in an argument where my opposition's main strategy is to personally insult me, or else I can't possibly complain about the insults.[/QUOTE] i'm just going to keep adding things you say to that original post to prove my point. if you're going to criticize someone about making things you perceive to be straw-mans and insults, then it's normally in your best interests to not do [I]the same fucking things you're criticizing people for doing[/I]
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40867259]Okay so you admit it's harmful, but you don't want to admit it's harmful at the same time? Yes everything is capable of harm, it's retarded that you say that because it's so pointless, everything is harmful, but clearly some things are much more often harmful than others, and you people are ignorant of how harmful weed is for whatever reason. Your logic: "Oh guns are dangerous eh? A toothbrush can be used to murder, everything is dangerous, so what makes guns special?"[/QUOTE] yeah, that basically is my argument. i'm more afraid of being on the highway than i am at a gunshow. it's not really that ridiculous.
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