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[QUOTE=Sableye;49319472]Mormons may be crazy as far as what they do to their own believers, but they are strangely open about other faiths. Really contradictory, they treat gays like shit, and are one step above Scientology when it comes to how they treat their members[/QUOTE] What exactly do we do that makes us crazy? Also, we don't extort people like scientology

[QUOTE=Sableye;49319472]Mormons may be crazy as far as what they do to their own believers, but they are strangely open about other faiths.[/QUOTE] I'm an ex-mormon living in utah and this is not true. They are extremely petty about other religions and think they are whimsical compared to their own. "They can believe what they want but I know for a fact that my god is the right god and they are wrong" kind of thing. When it should be, "I have no fucking clue which religion is true but I'd like to believe it is mine."

[QUOTE=Llamalord;49319941]I'm an ex-mormon living in utah and this is not true. They are extremely petty about other religions and think they are whimsical compared to their own. "They can believe what they want but I know for a fact that my god is the right god and they are wrong" kind of thing. When it should be, "I have no fucking clue which religion is true but I'd like to believe it is mine."[/QUOTE] Unfortunately thats just Utah Mormons. They told my dad that he wasn't going to the highest degree of heaven because he had a beard and drank Mountain Dew. He decided that it wasn't the best idea to raise a family there.

[QUOTE=mralexs;49319978]Unfortunately thats just Utah Mormons. They told my dad that he wasn't going to the highest degree of heaven because he had a beard and drank Mountain Dew. He decided that it wasn't the best idea to raise a family there.[/QUOTE] I also lived in Florida for 5 years as a Mormon. It doesn't matter what the general mentality is, if the doctrine is fucked up. [QUOTE=mralexs;49319741]What exactly do we do that makes us crazy? Also, we don't extort people like scientology[/QUOTE] Use of masonic (mason order) rituals in the endowment ceremonies, the extreme blatancy of revisionist history used by the LDS church (Joseph Smith had two 14 year old wives | He used a hat to translate the golden plates | etc), the methods for getting people to join are cult-like (eternal happiness), the methods of indoctrination used on children, intolerance towards homosexuality. Read this for 100% cited facts about the Mormon church with 0% bias. [url]http://cesletter.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=Llamalord;49319986]I also lived in Florida for 5 years as a Mormon. It doesn't matter what the general mentality is, if the doctrine is fucked up. Use of masonic (mason order) rituals in the endowment ceremonies, the extreme blatancy of revisionist history used by the LDS church (Joseph Smith had two 14 year old wives | He used a hat to translate the golden plates | etc), the methods for getting people to join are cult-like (eternal happiness), the methods of indoctrination used on children, intolerance towards homosexuality. Read this for 100% cited facts about the Mormon church with 0% bias. [url]http://cesletter.com/[/url][/QUOTE] Yeah, not gonna read that since every time I have read that kinda stuff its been stuff taken out of context to bad mouth the church. Not to insult you or anything, but I'll just drop the topic and go on my merry way :dance:

[QUOTE=mralexs;49320015]Yeah, not gonna read that since every time I have read that kinda stuff its been stuff taken out of context to bad mouth the church. Not to insult you or anything, but I'll just drop the topic and go on my merry way :dance:[/QUOTE] This is exactly how I felt when I read anything bad about Mormonism about 5 years ago. (The feeling that you are doing something wrong by looking at church History) This is exactly why the Mormon church is messed up, because their are people in authority constantly telling you that anyone who criticizes / paints Mormonism in a negative light are just people who are angry at the Mormon church, hateful, and "sinful". They use shame as a tactic for those who are thinking about looking into history of Mormonism. Just ask yourself, why is the outside world so negative towards your religion? I'm sure you'd come up with the same answer as a Westbero Baptist Church member would, "The power of Satan". But what if the reason everyone is so negative is because it is genuinely a bad religion?

[QUOTE=Llamalord;49320055]This is exactly how I felt when I read anything bad about Mormonism about 5 years ago. (The feeling that you are doing something wrong by looking at church History) This is exactly why the Mormon church is messed up, because their are people in authority constantly telling you that anyone who criticizes / paints Mormonism in a negative light are just people who are angry at the Mormon church, hateful, and "sinful". They use shame as a tactic for those who are thinking about looking into history of Mormonism. Just ask yourself, why is the outside world so negative towards your religion? I'm sure you'd come up with the same answer as a Westbero Baptist Church member would, "The power of Satan". But what if the reason everyone is so negative is because it is genuinely a bad religion?[/QUOTE] Uhhh no. I never once have heard anyone in the Church authority say anything like that. I live in Alabama, where the only hateful comments are that Mormon's are polygamists and stuff thats spread around because barely anyone down here knows a lot about the church. I'm a huge history buff and so is my grandfather. I haven't come across anything you are talking about in any documents that I've gone through. I'd rather not get into an internet theological argument with you, but comparing me and the church to members of the Westboro Baptist Church us just trying to start crap.

[QUOTE=Llamalord;49320055]This is exactly how I felt when I read anything bad about Mormonism about 5 years ago. (The feeling that you are doing something wrong by looking at church History) This is exactly why the Mormon church is messed up, because their are people in authority constantly telling you that anyone who criticizes / paints Mormonism in a negative light are just people who are angry at the Mormon church, hateful, and "sinful". They use shame as a tactic for those who are thinking about looking into history of Mormonism. Just ask yourself, why is the outside world so negative towards your religion? I'm sure you'd come up with the same answer as a Westbero Baptist Church member would, "The power of Satan". [B]But what if the reason everyone is so negative is because it is genuinely a bad religion?[/B][/QUOTE] Imagine saying this about Islam on this forum

[QUOTE=mralexs;49320113]Uhhh no. I never once have heard anyone in the Church authority say anything like that. I live in Alabama, where the only hateful comments are that Mormon's are polygamists and stuff thats spread around because barely anyone down here knows a lot about the church. I'm a huge history buff and so is my grandfather. I haven't come across anything you are talking about in any documents that I've gone through. I'd rather not get into an internet theological argument with you, but comparing me and the church to members of the Westboro Baptist Church us just trying to start crap.[/QUOTE] Translated using seerstone and a hat. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seer_stone_%28Latter_Day_Saints%29#Seer_Stones_and_the_Book_of_Mormon[/url] The wives of Joseph Smith (Helen Mar Kimball age 14, Nancy Mariah Winchester age 14) [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Joseph_Smith's_wives[/url] Joseph Smith and his connection to the Freemasons. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism_and_Freemasonry#Historical_connections[/url] If you were actually a history buff you would understand how absurd it is to think that Native Americans have any genetic ancestry to 600 BC Semites from Jerusalem. Also in the book are verses where Native Americans rode horses even though they didn't exist in the Americas until the Colombian Exchange, or that the Native Americans had the ability to craft iron weaponry.

[QUOTE=Llamalord;49320142]Translated using seerstone a hat. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seer_stone_%28Latter_Day_Saints%29#Seer_Stones_and_the_Book_of_Mormon[/url] The wives of Joseph Smith (Helen Mar Kimball age 14, Nancy Mariah Winchester age 14) [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Joseph_Smith's_wives[/url] Joseph Smith and his connection to the Freemasons. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism_and_Freemasonry#Historical_connections[/url] If you were actually a history buff you would understand how absurd it is to think that Native Americans have any genetic ancestry to 600 BC Semites from Jerusalem. Also in the book are verses where Native Americans rode horses even though they didn't exist in the Americas until the Colombian Exchange, or that the Native Americans had the ability to craft iron weaponry.[/QUOTE] I said I didn't want to start an Internet argument with you, so could you stop trying to start one?

It's strange and interesting how in such an age of information and technology religion actually flourishes instead of falling in popularity. There's so much information and yet people still believe a man in the sky and a book written thousands of years ago.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;49320162]It's strange and interesting how in such an age of information and technology religion actually flourishes instead of falling in popularity. There's so much information and yet people still believe a man in the sky and a book written thousands of years ago.[/QUOTE] That's the power of generational indoctrination. Also human egotism, and the fear of not existing after we "die". [QUOTE=mralexs;49320157]I said I didn't want to start an Internet argument with you, so could you stop trying to start one?[/QUOTE] I'm done, and this wasn't an argument because these are legitimate criticisms that are backed by a plethora of cited sources. I'm just wondering if you can answer any of the numerous historical anachronism in the BoM?

FWIW, I grew up with muslims and most of my my friends are muslims and I have never, ever heard one state anything other than the Christians and Jews and Muslims all worship the same god.

[QUOTE=mralexs;49320157]I said I didn't want to start an Internet argument with you, so could you stop trying to start one?[/QUOTE] Llamalord is just bringing up points of history you said you haven't seen, that isn't starting an argument. [editline]15th December 2015[/editline] Mormonism is really creepy to me because it's basically a successful cult, especially when you get up into the higher levels of church it starts to get [I]extremely[/I] disturbing and cult-like. Seminary is overwhelmingly manipulative to teens in highschool, it creates this clique of holier-than-thou students who stick to the religion, and are told that their friends, if not LDS are a bad influence. This creates a religious divide between students are early as possible, cementing the behavior and mindset. This is mainstream LDS I'm talking about, I live really close to the temple.

[QUOTE=icarusfoundyou;49320203]FWIW, I grew up with muslims and most of my my friends are muslims and I have never, ever heard one state anything other than the Christians and Jews and Muslims all worship the same god.[/QUOTE] They believe it's the same god in the sense that Jews and Christians originally worshiped Allah, but have corrupted it over the years. So it's technically the same god, but only if you start with the Muslim assumptions. If you actually take the god portrayed by each religion separately, then you come to three different images of God.

I dunno guys, as far as I remember, Christianity was loosely based off Judaism, and Islam is a combination of both, so pretty much these religions believe in a single God, just that the interpretation differs greatly. Its like saying the God lutherans believe in is different to the God orthodox believes in. Its not. Same God, different interpretations.

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;49320232]I dunno guys, as far as I remember, Christianity was loosely based off Judaism, and Islam is a combination of both, so pretty much these religions believe in a single God, just that the interpretation differs greatly.[/QUOTE] That's like saying people who believe in astrology basically believe in the same thing as astronomers, just that the interpretation differs greatly. When you have two groups that believe in different things, then they are different.

[QUOTE=sgman91;49320236]That's like saying people who believe in astrology basically believe in the same thing as astronomers, just that the interpretation differs greatly. When you have two groups that believe in different things, then they are different.[/QUOTE] Except Islam, Judaism, and Christianity all derive from the same thing. [url]https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religion[/url] Its more like everyone is an astrologist but some groups value different constellations more.

[QUOTE=sgman91;49320236]That's like saying people who believe in astrology basically believe in the same thing as astronomers, just that the interpretation differs greatly. When you have two groups that believe in different things, then they are different.[/QUOTE] But astrology and astronomy are sciences, not beliefs. Checkmate! Im not saying "this is 100% solid fact", but if talking in short terms, thats how it is.

[QUOTE=glitchvid;49320216]Llamalord is just bringing up points of history you said you haven't seen, that isn't starting an argument. [editline]15th December 2015[/editline] Mormonism is really creepy to me because it's basically a successful cult, especially when you get up into the higher levels of church it starts to get [I]extremely[/I] disturbing and cult-like. Seminary is overwhelmingly manipulative to teens in highschool, it creates this clique of holier-than-thou students who stick to the religion, and are told that their friends, if not LDS are a bad influence. This creates a religious divide between students are early as possible, cementing the behavior and mindset. This is mainstream LDS I'm talking about, I live really close to the temple.[/QUOTE] Seminary is just bible study

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;49320255]But astrology and astronomy are sciences, not beliefs. Checkmate! Im not saying "this is 100% solid fact", but if talking in short terms, thats how it is.[/QUOTE] Everything is a belief because everything is from the subjective perspective of your own experience. The goal is to match your beliefs as close as possible to reality. [QUOTE]Except Islam, Judaism, and Christianity all derive from the same thing.[/QUOTE] So do astronomy and astrology. My point is simply that two things having commonalities is not the same thing as two things being basically the same.

At first, i misread LDS with LSD I was thinking bad

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49317318]Most people don't realize their God is the same God as the Jews worship and by extension Christians. Most Christians I know call me crazy when I say that or just stare at me. (I'm a Christian as well)[/QUOTE] 1. Fred was born in Los Angeles. His parents were named Bob and Mary. He went to public high school and his favorite subject was math. He took a girl names Susan to prom and went to UCLA after graduating. Fred became a computer programmer and has a bright future ahead of him. 2. Fred was born in Los Angeles. His parents were named Bob and Mary. He went to public school but skipped class all the time because he hated it. He took Debbie to prom and went to a community college after graduating. He dropped out soon after. Fred was later found dead in a gas station bathroom with a needle in his arm. Both these people are the same guy! They're both Fred! They both had the same parents! You're ignorant if you say they're different!

[QUOTE=Da Bomb76;49320363]1. Fred was born in Los Angeles. His parents were named Bob and Mary. He went to public high school and his favorite subject was math. He took a girl names Susan to prom and went to UCLA after graduating. Fred became a computer programmer and has a bright future ahead of him. 2. Fred was born in Los Angeles. His parents were named Bob and Mary. He went to public school but skipped class all the time because he hated it. He took Debbie to prom and went to a community college after graduating. He dropped out soon after. Fred was later found dead in a gas station bathroom with a needle in his arm. Both these people are the same guy! They're both Fred! They both had the same parents! You're ignorant if you say they're different![/QUOTE] Your argument falls apart when it's two different descriptions of who people think Fred was. You're trying too hard to make him look like an idiot.

[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;49320435]Your argument falls apart when it's two different descriptions of who people think Fred was. You're trying too hard to make him look like an idiot.[/QUOTE] Describing the same person? Jews (at least historically) have explicitly repudiated the entire Christ story. They have no illusions that Christ was merely a secondary attempt to define Yahweh. The Muslims do the same with Jesus. In fact, it's prophesied in the Quran that when Isa (Jesus) returns at the end times he will personally and explicitly refute the Christian claims that he was divine or part of god. And do I even need to explain the Jewish and Muslims views about each others theology?

[QUOTE=Da Bomb76;49320363]1. Fred was born in Los Angeles. His parents were named Bob and Mary. He went to public high school and his favorite subject was math. He took a girl names Susan to prom and went to UCLA after graduating. Fred became a computer programmer and has a bright future ahead of him. 2. Fred was born in Los Angeles. His parents were named Bob and Mary. He went to public school but skipped class all the time because he hated it. He took Debbie to prom and went to a community college after graduating. He dropped out soon after. Fred was later found dead in a gas station bathroom with a needle in his arm. Both these people are the same guy! They're both Fred! They both had the same parents! You're ignorant if you say they're different![/QUOTE] Unfortunately nobody has ever definitively been proven to have seen or met Fred, so none can truly lay claim to knowing the Fred's fate- but all believe there is a Fred, there is only one Fred, and that he was born in LA to Bob and Mary. However some UCLAites believe that Fred became an Engineer instead or that he took Jane to the Prom, and some Junkyists believe he still lives shooting up needles to this day. Since they cannot even come to an agreement on the nature of Fred within their own groups, neither side can reasonably claim the other must just worship a [I]different[/I] Fred, who happens to have same name and origin, purely on account of their differing ideas of Fred. Unfortunately that doesn't stop some of the more arrogant UCLAites and Junkyists from doing so anyway, as they cannot stomach the idea as worshiping the same Fred as [I]their[/I] blasphemous heathen thread.

[QUOTE=mralexs;49320157]I said I didn't want to start an Internet argument with you, so could you stop trying to start one?[/QUOTE] Way to just not read what he said

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49317318]Most people don't realize their God is the same God as the Jews worship and by extension Christians. Most Christians I know call me crazy when I say that or just stare at me. (I'm a Christian as well)[/QUOTE] this. Guess what the Christian and Jewish God are called in Arabic? Allah.