Israel forced to apologise to Japan over offensive Hiroshima comments - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;41938244]military estimates done by the same military that wanted to drop the bombs to show how strong they are.[B] you can't just say 'well we totally know more people would have died if we didn't drop the bombs' because you DON'T know that. there's no way of knowing it's done now.[/B] but no matter what there is no justification (in my mind at least) for use of atomic weapons on civilians (or anyone to be honest) [editline]23rd August 2013[/editline] i personally think it's more of a direct result of them siding with the nazi's and dividing the world between them and hitler[/QUOTE] Really are you fucking serious It's just like predicting the weather. A war happened. If that war went on the same path it did it would have killed that many people. [editline]24th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=The Baconator;41952038]The bombs could have been used on a less populated place or military base than a city known to be of cultural significance to the Japanese.[/QUOTE] No, they couldn't have. Do you know how war works? People fighting for their country. You try to blow up a swarm of hornets with a hand grenade, they'll just get pissed off and more will come for you. You blow up the nest, the hornets just die. If you show the japanese soldiers, hey, we can, at any time we want, and for any reason we want, utterly destroy and leave uninhabitable everything you hold dear to your heart. It's massively psychological. That's why carpet bombs didn't have the same effect even though they had more damage.

I suppose the rockets launched at Israel are the consequences of their bigotry and self righteous attitude towards the seizing/stealing of Palestinian lands? No?

[QUOTE=Dark Kite;41952738]I'd like to point out, that Fatman and Little Boy caused far less death and destruction than Curtis LeMay brought to the Japanese people with just napalm. Curtis LeMay made it his personal mission during the war to relandscape as much of Japan as possible to resemble the surface of the moon, while teaching the Japanese people the wondrous smell of barbecued human flesh. Remember that most buildings in Japan were still made mostly out of wood and rice paper. Also remember that Japan didn't have any solely military targets, because they were nestled in the middle of copious civilian populations. You couldn't bomb the Japanese military without also hitting the Japanese people. Folks always remember the nuclear weapons we dropped on Japan, but they forget how we brought tenfold the horror down on Japan with "conventional" weapons.[/QUOTE] i realize don't see how other awful things happening somehow make the bombs justified? and if you're not saying that, then what are you saying? [editline]25th August 2013[/editline] also none of those conventional weapons are still causing children to be born with deformities and cancer even today [editline]25th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Whiterfire;41957518]Really are you fucking serious It's just like predicting the weather. A war happened. If that war went on the same path it did it would have killed that many people. [editline]24th August 2013[/editline] No, they couldn't have. Do you know how war works? People fighting for their country. You try to blow up a swarm of hornets with a hand grenade, they'll just get pissed off and more will come for you. You blow up the nest, the hornets just die. If you show the japanese soldiers, hey, we can, at any time we want, and for any reason we want, utterly destroy and leave uninhabitable everything you hold dear to your heart. It's massively psychological. That's why carpet bombs didn't have the same effect even though they had more damage.[/QUOTE] yes it's just like predicting the weather, meaning it can be completely wrong

"Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the consequence of Japanese aggression. You reap what you sow." So I guess it's okay to nuke Israel now? Iran will be happy to hear this

[QUOTE=EcksDee;41937232]"Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the consequence of Japanese aggression. You reap what you sow." My literal sides[/QUOTE] Well some some chinese people would agree.

there is staggering evidence to suggest that japan was preparing for a land invasion on a massive scale. it doesn't take an eisenhower re-incarnate to figure that one out. there is something called "surveillance" and yes, in world war II, the allies knew a lot of what the japanese were doing [editline]24th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Lachz0r;41958007] yes it's just like predicting the weather, meaning it can be completely wrong[/QUOTE] yeah sorry a military general isn't going to call off an operation on the off chance the intel he gets is wrong

no shit they were preparing for a land invasion, that's because they lost everywhere else and the only place they were still in control of was japan itself

okay so what's the whole argument here?? dropping bombs vs. invading a "total war" country uh i don't know but sending troops seems like a pretty stupid idea economically, strategically, and tactically.

as i've said i doubt an invasion was even necessary. japan had no way to continue waging the war anywhere else than on their homeground [editline]25th August 2013[/editline] there is no argument here, i think it's impossible to justify using atomic bombs on civilians (or anyone for that matter). that the firebombing of tokyo killed more people is irrelevant, that it was estimated more people would die in an all out invasion is irrelevant.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;41958416]as i've said i doubt an invasion was even necessary. japan had no way to continue waging the war anywhere else than on their homeground [/QUOTE] So an agreement is never made and the war continues . I can only see the US embargoing Japan eventually killing millions instead of Japan being rebuilt under with American support into an economic superpower.

I think it's fucking hypocritical and disgraceful of Israel to say this after having been playing a "come an' 'ave a go m8 if you think yer fuckin' 'ard" game for the past god knows how many years.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;41958416]as i've said i doubt an invasion was even necessary. japan had no way to continue waging the war anywhere else than on their homeground [editline]25th August 2013[/editline] there is no argument here, i think it's impossible to justify using atomic bombs on civilians (or anyone for that matter). that the firebombing of tokyo killed more people is irrelevant, that it was estimated more people would die in an all out invasion is irrelevant.[/QUOTE] i'm really glad that you'll never be in any position to lead military forces after reading this post