I love 'organic' foods because they usually use real sugar instead of high fructose corn syrup. Fuck you I don't care if it's $3 more expensive or whatever, literally everything tastes 100x better with real sugar.
[QUOTE=Squad;37532048][url]http://www.epa.gov/oppbppd1/biopesticides/whatarebiopesticides.htm[/url]
Again, I don't mean to say that ALL biopesticides are bad, but there are a few that are.
The whole reason to moving to synthetic pesticides was to make a pesticide that we could control and limit its harmfulness to humans.[/QUOTE]
You're literally tearing apart your original argument [I]with your own sources.[/I]
[QUOTE=loopoo;37532074]You're literally tearing apart your original argument [I]with your own sources.[/I][/QUOTE]
I'm sorry you feel that way. I will leave the thread. I didn't state any incorrect information and I provided my sources.
Are there harmless biopesticides? YES.
Are there harmful biopesticides? YES.
Are there harmless synthetic pesticides? YES.
Are there harmful synthetic pesticides? YES.
Can farmers use pesticides on their crops? YES.
Do farmers have to use pesticides on their organic crops? NO.
Again, I am not saying biopesticides are terrible. They are usually much better for the environment and for people, but that doesn't mean they are all harmless. And if you think you don't need to wash your organic produce as much as non-organic produce? You might want to reconsider. Cow urine is a good pesticide. Just make sure you wash ALL OF YOUR PRODUCE regardless of where it comes from.
[QUOTE=TestECull;37531687]No shit. The difference between organic and non-organic food is a label and the price tag. Unless you're buying a Big Mac, all of your food is organic. All of it. It all comes from a plant or animal.[/QUOTE]
Did you know that they put a known carcinogen on non-organic oranges to make them [I]oranger?[/I] The justification is that you don't eat the peels.
The shit they pull, man.
Organic food doesn't have an edge in taste either, apparently.
[video=youtube;8Zqe4ZV9LDs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Zqe4ZV9LDs[/video]
So I hope you guys know that pesticides and chemicals are regulated and there have been studies that shown they have mostly no negative effects on you. Of course there are outliers but its very close. People who say they don't want to put chemicals in them are just uninformed. Almost everything you eat has chemicals in it, barring organic fruits and vegetables/meat. The only bad side effect is that peoples bodies have started taking longer to decay due to all the preservatives, but...is that really so bad?
People who complain about GMOs are even worse. It's literally just exchanging DNA in a plant to make it more resilient to drought/pests.
What is bad about GMOs however is the monopoly that Monsanto has on them. They've done some bad stuff to farmers. Again. It all comes down to money.
[editline]4th September 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;37532102]Did you know that they put a known carcinogen on non-organic oranges to make them [I]oranger?[/I] The justification is that you don't eat the peels.
The shit they pull, man.[/QUOTE]
Hey. Do you know what is a known carcinogen? [I]Plastic.[/I] You don't stop using that in your everyday life do you? Carcinogen is a very loose term. Virtually anything can help cause cancer. Anything that exacerbates cell growth, which is pretty much everything.
[editline]4th September 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Mr._N;37532134]Organic food doesn't have an edge in taste either, apparently.
[video=youtube;8Zqe4ZV9LDs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Zqe4ZV9LDs[/video][/QUOTE]
For the people disagreeing with this video...
It isn't because the organic food tastes different than non-organic, but rather because organic has to be in season and not shipped around, therefore usually fresher. If you had non-organic food just as fresh and local, it would taste the same.
[QUOTE=TehDoctorz;37532162]The only bad side effect is that peoples bodies have started taking longer to decay due to all the preservatives, but...is that really so bad?
[/QUOTE]
Yes
because it's unpredictable in its effects
and isn't going to hit the whole body the same way
It's not like legit medicine where we can say 'okay here is some medicine to help your sore throat' or 'here are some antibiotics that will clean you up good, might damage some other helpful microbes but you'll be alright'. It's 'here have this preservative we have no idea what part of you or what cells will be effective but I'm sure it will be good for you in some way'.
It will not be good for you.
Going down to my local farmer's market is awesome, cause everything is so delicious. You can even get in contact with the growers and give them feedback.
[QUOTE=TehDoctorz;37532162]Hey. Do you know what is a known carcinogen? [I]Plastic.[/I] You don't stop using that in your everyday life do you? Carcinogen is a very loose term. Virtually anything can help cause cancer. Anything that exacerbates cell growth, which is pretty much everything.[/QUOTE]
hey I don't like plastics sprayed on my foods either
That we have to spray chemicals on oranges to make them oranger is insane.
Non-oxidising metal or glass containers are the way to go
[QUOTE=Kabstrac;37532224]or maybe some people just want to support local produce growers and free-range meats?
also, you kind of defeated your own points at the end of each section:
You explained why GMO isn't bad, but then you gave a good reason not to buy it.
then you say that organic food tastes the same as non-organic, but then you give a reason why it DOES taste different. It may not fundamentally be different, but the end product does taste different/better[/QUOTE]
Yes, I conceded myself, as most people should do. I wasn't arguing any damn points. I was laying out the facts. Things aren't so black and white that I have to completely adopt one side or another.
I simply said, its stupid that people think so low of non-organic foods and GMOs because of the reasons most of them think they are, eg chemicals or not natural whatever.
Then I did give reasons why they are bad. I don't see where I said not to buy one or the other.
So pesticide sprayed food is the same as freshly grown natural food? Bullshit.
[QUOTE=DamagePoint;37531752]Organic foods are also typically farmed in a way that is better for the planet, and beef and poultry are raised 'free-range' living supposedly better lives before they're slaughtered.[/QUOTE]
"organic" apples reside in coolers for almost a year to be available the whole year around, every organic apple you eat consumes much much more energy than a conventional apple.
This is just an example I know of from personal experience.
[QUOTE=Killuah;37533348]"organic" apples reside in coolers for almost a year to be available the whole year around, every organic apple you eat consumes much much more energy than a conventional apple.
This is just an example I know of from personal experience.[/QUOTE]
Subjective.
Also, if you buy in-season you're not contributing to this potential problem.
[QUOTE=TestECull;37531687]Unless you're buying a Big Mac, all of your food is organic. All of it. It all comes from a plant or animal.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;37532007]literally everything you wear or eat is organic unless you have a jacket made out of rocks or some shit.[/QUOTE]
good work guys, you understand the chemistry term 'organic'
too bad you appear to lack the social understanding to realise we are talking about the more common use of the word 'organic', which means not using synthetic pesticides or chemical fertilizers in farming
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;37532977]So pesticide sprayed food is the same as freshly grown natural food? Bullshit.[/QUOTE]
But you have to consider the implications of that pesticide. Remember, everything is a chemical. A pesticide isn't necessarily harmful to the human body. And if it is, it needs to be large amounts, much larger than a spray put on weeks or months ago by some farmer, then after being washed. Even any that could absorb in. I know this is huge exaggeration but remember, even water in large quantities kills you.
[QUOTE=Maloof?;37533371]Subjective.
Also, if you buy in-season you're not contributing to this potential problem.[/QUOTE]
but what if you want an apple but apples aren't in season?
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;37533425]but what if you want an apple but apples aren't in season?[/QUOTE]
Buck up and wait until they are in season
If the price of convenience is extra energy usage/extra pollution, then maybe it's time to rethink the value placed on convenience
who ever said anything about it being more nutritious?
pretty sure the point is to not have food slathered in poison
[QUOTE=Barbarian887;37533570]who ever said anything about it being more nutritious?
pretty sure the point is to not have food slathered in poison[/QUOTE]
Read the article, title is misleading. They said no health benefits or cons either way. Not just a "nutritional" edge. However it does say long term effects are possibly sketchy, but the study went on for over two years.
TLDR your so called "poison" isn't fuckin poison. It's a pesticide designed to kill bugs that has minimal impact on the human body.
I buy it to fund hippie farms. No matter how much produce I buy, they never use the money to buy shoes.
[QUOTE=Primigenes;37533654]So you'd rather take away the life of a happy animal then take that of one who's life sucks ass?[/QUOTE]
Would you rather live a happy life, then get killed, or would you live a shitty life, then get killed?
[QUOTE=Primigenes;37533669]I'd rather not get killed at all[/QUOTE]
Not an option.
We're gonna raise animals too kill 'em anyway so you might as well make the time they're alive comfortable for them.
[QUOTE=Primigenes;37533669]I'd rather not get killed at all[/QUOTE]
considering that for nature to carry on as it does, animals have to eat other animals, I have no qualms with eating animals
Wow people actually thought organic meat/fruit/etc was more nutritious? I had always understood "organic" to mean "free of chemicals/pesticides/hormones/etc". I'd prefer if they used the term "natural", would make more sense really.
Also, would anyone happen to know if "organic" also means it wasn't genetically modified?
[QUOTE=Primigenes;37533654]So you'd rather take away the life of a happy animal then take that of one who's life sucks ass?[/QUOTE]
That's a peculiar way of seeing things. From my personal experience of keeping a flock of hens, I am completely fine with letting the animal lead a fantastic life, a life which I ensure is healthy and good to them. I don't mind taking their life after that, because I know they lived it well. I feel no guilt or remorse for ending their life, as it's just natures cycle for animals to be eaten by other animals. I do my best to make the little time they live enjoyable.
[QUOTE=loopoo;37531762] Free-range Apples are juicier, because they get to walk about.[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://us.cdn4.123rf.com/168nwm/aberheide/aberheide1108/aberheide110800054/10221838-walking-apple-isolated-on-white.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=peepin;37531889]Or that the chicken meat isn't from a chicken that was pumped with steroids and antibiotics (to keep it from dying of steroids).[/QUOTE]
I don't think you quite understand how biology works. Antibiotics kill bacteria. Steroids are simple organic molecules that lack several orders of magnitude worth of atoms to be anywhere near as complex as a living creature such as a single bacterium. Antibiotics would literally do jack shit combined with steroids. They would in no serious way (I hesitate to say 'no way at all' because obviously on a molecular scale a FEW reactions would take place, but nothing major compared to the trillions of reactions that would go on a second otherwise) inhibit the effect of one another, or react with each other at all.
[QUOTE=Maloof?;37533437]Buck up and wait until they are in season
If the price of convenience is extra energy usage/extra pollution, then maybe it's time to rethink the value placed on convenience[/QUOTE]
But then we are talking about seasonal food, not traditional vs. organic
A lot of people in here posted about stuff being sprayed in chemicals.
So, all of the currently approved / things that can't be "organic" food because of the pesticides, aren't going to give you cancer or anything; they're safe (on a reasonable dose), not to mention that the produce isn't magically eating them up. And its ALWAYS safe to wash produce before eating / cooking it any-way.
Also, organic food can use pesticides, but they are actually one that are MORE dangerous then the current regulation ones; bet you didn't know this.
Sombody posted Penn and Teller's show earliler; that was only an excerpt.
Here's the full one.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9BixaFGy7k[/media]
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