I want to know where people are buying food that's "bathed in poison", since I'm pretty sure that should be illegal.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;37534488]lets convert to organic so we can let a majority of the population starve and drive food prices through the roof[/QUOTE]
RichyZ, who's trying to make the masses convert to buying only organic produce? No one is. It's a decision entirely up to the individual in question. If you want to buy organic, good for you. If not, that's great.
Some people couldn't give a rat's arse what chemicals are put on their fruit or vegetables, because to them, it's irrelevant. To others, it matters.
I don't know where you got the notion of having everyone buy organic produce, since no one has even mentioned that in this thread. Add to the fact that everyone buying organic produce wouldn't work for a whole host of reasons (supply and demand, for one, and like you said already, a whole bunch of people can't afford it).
[QUOTE=krail9;37533414]good work guys, you understand the chemistry term 'organic'
too bad you appear to lack the social understanding to realise we are talking about the more common use of the word 'organic', which means not using synthetic pesticides or chemical fertilizers in farming[/QUOTE]
They didn't even get the chemistry term correct... Big Macs are organic... Anything containing carbon is organic.
[editline]4th September 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=glitchvid;37534177]A lot of people in here posted about stuff being sprayed in chemicals.
So, all of the currently approved / things that can't be "organic" food because of the pesticides, aren't going to give you cancer or anything; they're safe (on a reasonable dose), not to mention that the produce isn't magically eating them up. And its ALWAYS safe to wash produce before eating / cooking it any-way.
Also, organic food can use pesticides, but they are actually one that are MORE dangerous then the current regulation ones; bet you didn't know this.
Sombody posted Penn and Teller's show earliler; that was only an excerpt.
Here's the full one.
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I've already tried, give up. I got yelled at on the first page...
[QUOTE=loopoo;37532376]Going down to my local farmer's market is awesome, cause everything is so delicious. You can even get in contact with the growers and give them feedback.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much this. Shit tastes better. And unless it's some mass placebo effect, I can't really mistake my own senses.
[QUOTE=lifehole;37535215]Pretty much this. Shit tastes better. And unless it's some mass placebo effect, I can't really mistake my own senses.[/QUOTE]
Well, it could be the placebo effect. If you think something should taste better and fresher than a similar non-organic foodstuff, it probably will do. Sensory information is less reliable than you'd think as well. Things like your mood, general health, preconceived ideas and thoughts of what you're sensing can have a massive impact on what you perceive.
I mean, personally I can't tell any difference between organic or non-organic produce (apart from looks, sometimes. Organic stuff tends to be Class II instead of Class I - this is a measure of aesthetics though, not quality). It could be the case that if you had two apples, one organic and one non-organic but otherwise identical, and for you the organic would taste better, because you think it will. Conversely, the opposite could also apply - the organic could be juicer and tastier, but to me it'll taste the same as the non-organic, because I think it should.
[QUOTE=Barbarian887;37533570]who ever said anything about it being more nutritious?
pretty sure the point is to not have food slathered in poison[/QUOTE]
Hi. You can't read. If A is poisonous and B is not, B has a nutritional advantage. Thus, due to this research, A is not poisonous.
[QUOTE=Camundongo;37535672]Well, it could be the placebo effect. If you think something should taste better and fresher than a similar non-organic foodstuff, it probably will do. Sensory information is less reliable than you'd think as well. Things like your mood, general health, preconceived ideas and thoughts of what you're sensing can have a massive impact on what you perceive.
I mean, personally I can't tell any difference between organic or non-organic produce (apart from looks, sometimes. Organic stuff tends to be Class II instead of Class I - this is a measure aesthetics though, not quality). It could be the case that if you had two apples, one organic and one non-organic but otherwise identical, and for you the organic would taste better, because you think it will. Conversely, the opposite could also apply - the organic could be juicer and tastier, but to me it'll taste the same as the non-organic, because I think it should.[/QUOTE]
you're really giving a detailed explanation about how my tastebuds lie. All I know is that stuff I buy from there tastes better. Not because I taste chemicals on other food, but because it just tastes better.
[QUOTE=Kabstrac;37536927]It's not just about humans: ecosystems and the environment are also effected by pesticides. Pesticides can destroy a food source for animals in the area, causing them to relocate or die. They can also be misused and not effect the target at all and give them resistance!
You also are saying that it only has "minimal impact" and we need a lot to effect us, however, pesticides are found in 90% of all Wells surveyed in the US [[url]http://pubs.usgs.gov/circ/2005/1291/][/url] and also rain and groundwater, so it is reasonable to believe people are being exposed a tad bit more than a spray on our produce.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_pesticides[/url]
I suggest you read up.
and again, read:
"Pesticide exposure can cause "gender bender" hormonal changes in many animals.
The hormonal impact of pesticides has been confirmed in these disturbing trends:
Feminization of male fish, birds and mammals.
Decreased fertility in birds, fish, shellfish and mammals.
Birth deformities in birds, fish and turtles. "[/QUOTE]
While my post above was true, this is as-well; our farming IS hurting the local ecosystems QUITE a bit; and causing all sorts of bad. But the issue is that its all we can do right now.
But I'm totally cool with Genetically engine red food; or even food that grows "infinite" amounts on a large rack at some science facility, totally cool.
i wonder if they tested the gives-you-cancer-and-fucks-with-your-hormones factor
Organic food is too costly for what its worth.
I'm eating cheap stuff that won't kill me, and as long as there are regulations in place to determine what gets into my food or not, I will keep eating the same stuff.
Such as pastas and sandwiches and soups and boiled vegetables and what have you.
The reason I buy organic is because I don't want fucking corn in my food. Seriously, there's corn in [i]everything[/i]. In your soda, your pasta, and even your freaking burgers.
I don't have a problem with real "organic" food. I have a problem with people who think just because it's genetically modified to produce, or to survive more, it's bad for you or that unmodified food is better.
I shouldn't have an opinion though, I don't really eat fresh/whole fruits/veg that often.
Organic veg and fruit is a gimmick, a scam. Friend is a trucker, sometimes they would mix up organic foods with non organic and there have been a lot of scandals involving battery/stuff not treated bug killer being sold as organic. In fact, there is no taste difference between organic and non organic fruit and veg, meat and eggs are the main difference though. People who complain about their temple being flooded with nasty bug killing chemicals are being naive, as far as I am aware the stuff won't effect you and the amount of fucking chemicals we consume regardless if we ate a carrot without bug spray on it is irrelevant at most.
Reminds me of the morons who go on "Juice fasts" with nothing but expensive, organics fruits and vegetables and claim they're detoxing their bodies from all the harsh chemicals. If you think chemicals like pesticides just stick around in your system, you have very little faith in the healing abilities of the human body. Even near fatal levels of alcohol in your system gets cleared within 24 hours, a bit of pesticide on an apples shouldn't have much of an effect.
the most common organic pesticide is tobacco
I buy free-range bacon. Is it better for me? Hell no, it's 100% fat. The strips are completely white uncooked. the moral of the story is that grocery stores are getting the wrong bacon. This bacon is absolutely fucking divine. I'm going to leave my home to the deserts of the American southwest and find my spirit animal. I'm going to start a cult centered around free-range super fat bacon
[QUOTE=prooboo;37547612]I buy free-range bacon. Is it better for me? Hell no, it's 100% fat. The strips are completely white uncooked. the moral of the story is that grocery stores are getting the wrong bacon. This bacon is absolutely fucking divine. I'm going to leave my home to the deserts of the American southwest and find my spirit animal. I'm going to start a cult centered around free-range super fat bacon[/QUOTE]
You'll live a short life, but by god will it be a good one.
[QUOTE=sltungle;37547646]You'll live a short life, but by god will it be a good one.[/QUOTE]
It's alright it's a suicide cult
People seem to have this strange idea that science = unnatural = dangerous and organic = natural = good.
Organic fanboys and fangirls can be odd, but it's the anti-GM people that really bug me.
If they're really against GM food, then they're going to have to stop eating pretty much everything. We've been breeding various plants and animals to get better food for millennia.
What's the difference between modifying your crops to be bug-resistant in a lab and, for example, selective-breeding banana berries into the nature-defying, sterile monstrosities that we have today.
I don't really know, but I would safely guess that there isn't a single thing we eat today that hasn't been selectively bred to grow the way we want. Why is that different from modern GM?
The difference is that you're giving the plants abilities that they would not have gained as quickly or as strongly in a natural environment or through selective breeding. I take issue with the idea that if frost resistant plants (for example) get accidentally released into the wild, they could easily out-grow non-frost-resistant plants, dominate a local environment (or wider) and seriously upset the naturally occurring order of things moreso than it's already upset by everyday farming
[QUOTE=Maloof?;37548320]The difference is that you're giving the plants abilities that they would not have gained as quickly or as strongly in a natural environment or through selective breeding. I take issue with the idea that if frost resistant plants (for example) get accidentally released into the wild, they could easily out-grow non-frost-resistant plants, dominate a local environment (or wider) and seriously upset the naturally occurring order of things moreso than it's already upset by everyday farming[/QUOTE]
But why is that any different to accidentally introducing an existing non-native frost-tolerant plant?
Say you have two frost-resistant crops going through trials. They are basically the same, but lets say one evolved to grow in Siberia over the last few thousand years and the other was modified over the last couple of years in a lab in the UK.
Just a guess, but knowing what people are like, the natural one would probably be much more accepted than the other. They're both as dangerous as each other, but I bet only one would be subject to protests and sabotage.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6ZsYCnlvPs[/media]
I love this video.
Organic foods also account for a disproportionately greater percentage of E. Coli cases in the U.S. than other foods.
And they have to use many times (up to seven times) more natural pesticides, many of which are actually quite dangerous on their own.
Don't know how it is in america, but in the UK organic food is an absolute joke
it's more expensive, if we all ate it people would starve to death and it originates from a nonsensical fear of synthetic pesticides
[QUOTE=st0rmforce;37548215]People seem to have this strange idea that science = unnatural = dangerous and organic = natural = good.
Organic fanboys and fangirls can be odd, but it's the anti-GM people that really bug me.
If they're really against GM food, then they're going to have to stop eating pretty much everything. We've been breeding various plants and animals to get better food for millennia.
What's the difference between modifying your crops to be bug-resistant in a lab and, for example, selective-breeding banana berries into the nature-defying, sterile monstrosities that we have today.
I don't really know, but I would safely guess that there isn't a single thing we eat today that hasn't been selectively bred to grow the way we want. Why is that different from modern GM?[/QUOTE]
Modern GM can bring in genes from totally unrelated species, for example, [URL=http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/CuttingEdge/story?id=99368&page=1]putting genes from a jellyfish into potatoes so that they glow green when they need water[/URL]. Selectively breeding a species to have more favorable traits relies almost completely on the gene pool for that species.
Not really nonsensical at all. If I buy non-organic apples (or any other fruit where the skin is eaten), my mouth gets insanely itchy, and I have a horrible tingling sensation in my mouth and all down my throat for hours. Constantly feeling like I want to cough. I wash the fruit thoroughly, but the pesticides still somehow manage to piss of my throat. I don't have the problem at all with organic apples. Hell, with organic apples, even not washing them doesn't cause me any problems.
[QUOTE=loopoo;37549922]Not really nonsensical at all. If I buy non-organic apples (or any other fruit where the skin is eaten), my mouth gets insanely itchy, and I have a horrible tingling sensation in my mouth and all down my throat for hours. Constantly feeling like I want to cough. I wash the fruit thoroughly, but the pesticides still somehow manage to piss of my throat. I don't have the problem at all with organic apples. Hell, with organic apples, even not washing them doesn't cause me any problems.[/QUOTE]
Shouldn't [i]some[/i] organic apples have the same effect, then, as this study reports that a small portion of organic produce has pesticides on it?
I don't care about organics, I care about the organics zealots who gotta proclaim their love of organics and give speeches at any chance on the topic.
If you keep it to yourself then good for you, you're not an annoying prick to the rest of the world.
[QUOTE=loopoo;37549922]Not really nonsensical at all. If I buy non-organic apples (or any other fruit where the skin is eaten), my mouth gets insanely itchy, and I have a horrible tingling sensation in my mouth and all down my throat for hours. Constantly feeling like I want to cough. I wash the fruit thoroughly, but the pesticides still somehow manage to piss of my throat. I don't have the problem at all with organic apples. Hell, with organic apples, even not washing them doesn't cause me any problems.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like it's all in your head.
But pesticides are so tasty.
Why do I think people don't wash their ingredients at all?
If you don't wash your food you got something worse than pesticides to worry about.
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