[QUOTE=King Tiger;51710072]If you want to keep you're crime rate lower then that is 100% justified.
Do you actually dispute this or do you just think it's unfair?[/QUOTE]
Yes, it would be unfair? You can't pull all kind of shit in the name of feel-good measures, not to mention doing such a thing would be far less efficient than actually screening people and checking for more accurate signs of criminality than something as dumb as nationality.
[QUOTE=King Tiger;51710051]Do muslims rape more than ethnic swedes?
If yes, then it is logical to keep them out if you want less rapes in Sweden.[/QUOTE]
Or maybe Sweden should at least apply the law equally so other people don't think they'll get away with it too?
[QUOTE=King Tiger;51710072]If you want to keep you're crime rate lower then that is 100% justified.
Do you actually dispute this or do you just think it's unfair?[/QUOTE]
And breeding resentment in innocent people and turning them to darkness is 100% justified by targeting them if they didn't commit any crimes?
[QUOTE=King Tiger;51710088]Yes or no: keeping all muslims from coming into Sweden would keep the rape rate lower?[/QUOTE]
Not lower than keeping all muslim rapists from coming. And higher than keeping rapists of all ethnicities and religions out.
[QUOTE=bunguer;51709704]Jesus fuck, it's like some of you are more interested in playing identity politics than talking about the fucking rape and solutions to it - just look at the first post and how many 'stars' it got.
[B]You want to far-right to rise?[/B] Because you are only fueling them with that type of comment: "bust a nut all over your keyboard if they turn out to be brown ".[/QUOTE]
I got to bolded before I realized you weren't talking about LORD M tbh. It's posts like these that cause the far-left to rise.
[QUOTE=King Tiger;51710092]I don't even think you disagree with me, you just don't like it for other reasons.
[editline]22nd January 2017[/editline]
Why? Why is fairness more important than preventing rape?[/QUOTE]
Fairness is the cornerstone of equal treatment in a democracy, any democracy at all, for god's sake
Unless somebody has actually committed a crime, treating them as guilty until proven innocent goes against any standards of humanity ever set before
Really find this video relevant.
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KSJY0c8QWw[/media]
[QUOTE=King Tiger;51710072]If you want to keep you're crime rate lower then that is 100% justified.
Do you actually dispute this or do you just think it's unfair?[/QUOTE]
i like how you've reduced your argument to absurdly basic levels, because that's the only way you can make it sound at all reasonable
[QUOTE=King Tiger;51710092]I don't even think you disagree with me, you just don't like it for other reasons.[/QUOTE]
'you agree with me you just won't say it'
this is middle school levels of denial
[QUOTE=King Tiger;51710092]Why? Why is fairness more important than preventing rape?[/QUOTE]
Let's jail all men, it's not fair but it will prevent the vast majority of rapes from occurring.
[QUOTE=King Tiger;51710092]Why is fairness more important than preventing rape?[/QUOTE]
Maintaining equality is absolutely more important. It's one of the core values of "Western society" that [I]all Muslims[/I] allegedly threaten according to people like you. If you were on the receiving end of this discrimination, how would you feel?
[QUOTE=King Tiger;51710092]
Why? Why is fairness more important than preventing rape?[/QUOTE]
Surely it's more fair not to assume someone is a rapist for nothing more than their ethnicity?
[QUOTE=King Tiger;51710092]
Why? Why is fairness more important than preventing rape?[/QUOTE]
Even overlooking the glaring human rights issues, it is likely ineffective. Banning all muslims (and actually managing to enforce it) would likely not prevent or even significantly reduce rape enough to justify it. It would only alienate more people and make the general situation worse.
[QUOTE=CanUBe;51710129]Maintaining equality is absolutely more important. It's one of the core values of "Western society" that [I]all Muslims[/I] allegedly threaten according to people like you. If you were on the receiving end of this discrimination, how would you feel?[/QUOTE]
It's all fun and games to the likes of him until they end up laughing on the other side of their faces. Then they cry and complain about "injustices" being dealt to them.
Here you go, pictures of the guys streaming and raping. Guy that is ringed is the guy that raped. Oh god you should check his facebook page.
[url]http://imgur.com/a/iyD0J[/url]
[QUOTE=_Axel;51710127]Let's jail all men, it's not fair but it will prevent the vast majority of rapes from occurring.[/QUOTE]
This is completely true.
Obviously it's not socially actionable.
Keeping Muslims from immigrating to Sweden is completely doable. This is extremely basic, I don't know why I haven't gotten an answer from anybody yet.
[QUOTE=Big Bang;51710057]Here's how I know you're full of shit and that what you're trying to do is simply make a propaganda piece, [I]you don't even know who the perpetrators are[/I]. You don't know if they're as a matter of fact refugees, but you just seem to [I]know[/I] they are. You don't even know if this is filed under that infamous relationskod 291, for crying out loud.[/QUOTE]
You're not the right person to call others full of shit, I provided evidence for all my claims while you have not. Is this rape that was now committed propaganda? Yes we don't know who the perpetrators are, never said I did but I said it would be interesting to know if it was yet another code 291.
Here is a site that puts up convicted gangrape cases in Sweden as well as who and from where the rapists are. All data (2011 to end of 2015) is available to the public since it comes from the courts, they have just compiled it but still got the source documents from the Swedish courts.
[url]http://www.gangrapesweden.com/rapistspercountry.php[/url]
In brief:
Number of non-Swedes in gang rape case: 164
Number Swedes in gang rape case: 105
Percentage of non-Swedes: 61%
About 20% of Sweden's population are non-Swedes and then are over-represented by a factor of 6.2
[url]http://www.systranet.com/turl/?systrangui=WebUI&systranuid=aHR0cC13d3cuZ2FuZ3JhcGVzd2VkZW4uY29tL2ludmFuZHJhcmV2YWxkdGFrdC5waHAvc3ZfZW4=&systranbanner=1[/url]
And yes they also have Swedes as part of the statistics.
[QUOTE=King Tiger;51710148]This is completely true.
Obviously it's not socially actionable.
Keeping Muslims from immigrating to Sweden is completely doable. This is extremely basic, I don't know why I haven't gotten an answer from anybody yet.[/QUOTE]
This is a fucking cop-out.
Would you, assuming it would be actionable, support the jailing of all men to prevent rapes?
[QUOTE=King Tiger;51710148]Keeping Muslims from immigrating to Sweden is completely doable. This is extremely basic, I don't know why I haven't gotten an answer from anybody yet.[/QUOTE]
Yeah you're either blind or just refuse to listen to anyone who is actually making a point.
Why doesn't Sweden keep Muslim immigrants from immigrating into Sweden? [B]Xenophobia.[/B]
If you were suggesting that Sweden immigration policy as a whole should be adjusted due to its abundantly high rates then that's another thing.
But at this point you are doing nothing but suggesting that Muslims are all vile rapists who should be imprisoned on sight so they can't commit any crimes.
[QUOTE=King Tiger;51710148]This is completely true.
Obviously it's not socially actionable.
Keeping Muslims from immigrating to Sweden is completely doable. This is extremely basic, I don't know why I haven't gotten an answer from anybody yet.[/QUOTE]
It's not socially actionable if you value liberty. You're American right? You do value liberty don't you?
[QUOTE=_Axel;51710158]This is a fucking cop-out.
Would you, assuming it would be actionable, support the jailing of all men to prevent rapes?[/QUOTE]
No because putting somebody in jail is a punishment. Not letting somebody into your country isn't a punishment.
[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51709955]If someone comes here, says they need protection and asylum and then commit crimes like rapes or murders - then they need to be thrown the fuck out because they betrayed our trust. We cannot throw out our own citizens since they wouldn't have a place to go to, but an immigrant criminal can always go back to where they come from. Why should we take care of someone that come here and does things like this, just so they can get a light punishment compared to their homelands and then keep on doing it because they know they won't recieve grave punishments.
Like this guy who raped a 12 year old Swedish girl and got 180 hours community service. He obliterated her life.
[url]http://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/vasternorrland/valdtog-12-arig-flicka-2[/url]
[B]
Don't you also think that people like this should get deported for their crimes?[/B]
[/QUOTE]
I completely agree with this and I am baffled anyone finds this discriminatory or overly punishing in any way.
[QUOTE=Apache249;51710170]It's not socially actionable if you value liberty. You're American right? You do value liberty don't you?[/QUOTE]
King Tiger only values liberty when it means people like him get to be on top of everyone else
[QUOTE=King Tiger;51710175]No because putting somebody in jail is a punishment. Not letting somebody into your country isn't a punishment.[/QUOTE]
Preventing any male from entering the country then?
[QUOTE=wewt!;51710178]I completely agree with this and I am baffled anyone finds this discriminatory or overly punishing in any way.[/QUOTE]
Identity politics people do.
[QUOTE=_Axel;51710180]Preventing any male from entering the country then?[/QUOTE]
"oh but that's not socially actionable"
[QUOTE=WitheredGryphon;51710167] But at this point you are doing nothing but suggesting that Muslims are all vile rapists who should be imprisoned on sight so they can't commit any crimes.[/QUOTE]
Never said anything even close.
[QUOTE=King Tiger;51709990]Do you dispute that Muslim immigrants rape at a higher rate than native swedes?[/QUOTE]
This is a dumb thing to stand on when drawing conclusions. I thought someone who got called racist and part of a basket of deplorables would've learned something about generalizations thanks to having one pointed at them and trying to throw it off.
[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51710183]Identity politics people do.[/QUOTE]
LORD M im an immigrant who lives within the same borders as you. i hope its not frightening you
[QUOTE=King Tiger;51710148]
Keeping Muslims from immigrating to Sweden is completely doable. This is extremely basic, I don't know why I haven't gotten an answer from anybody yet.[/QUOTE]
So you have to pay people to screen everyone who comes into Sweden on airports, border crossings, seaports. That's a lot of time and a lot of money. And what would prevent anyone from just dashing it across the more remote borders that are covered by forests or rafting across the baltic sea? Nothing short of turning Sweden into a literal fortress will prevent that.
That's a lot of time and money to enforce your draconian policies. Or what you call "extremely basic".
[QUOTE=LeonS;51710190]LORD M im an immigrant who lives within the same borders as you. i hope its not frightening you[/QUOTE]
No worry, my dad is also an immigrant.
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