Gang rape 'live-streamed on Facebook' in Sweden - Polidicks

[QUOTE=King Tiger;51710407]The question is: why exactly is Sweden even allowing immigration in the first place? We're operating under the assumption that immigration needs to happen/is going to happen, but why? This is a completely new phenomenon. It hasn't been the case for almost the entirety of swedens history. Why allow anyone in at all?[/QUOTE] We've always had immigration in Sweden in some form or another though. During the medieval times we had the Hansa Germans who came here to trade, we had a large amount of Finns who settled here in the 1500s, the metalworking Vallons in the 1600s (some of which can be found in my own family tree in fact), French artists and whatnot during the 1700s of course, and Italians to do the typical stucco houses of the 1800s, during the world war 2 we took in a lot of refugees from various countries (children from Finland for example who would live with Swedish families) and finally we had a large labour immigration from Yugoslavia in the 50s and 60s. But the refugee situation is very different becuse first of all the culture and norms of the refugees means they do not integrate or assimilate as easily but secondly and more importantly they enter our country at a much quicker rate which with an already awful problem with housing in Sweden means they get stuck living in segregated areas. It simply doesn't work as naturally as with regular immigration.

[QUOTE=Big Bang;51710503]No, and that's not what happened. There is no bizarre conspiracy going on, and that's exactly the shit that SD perpetuates.[/QUOTE] [URL="https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/13/sex-assaults-sweden-stockholm-music-festival"]Dude even the fucking guardian admitted that's what happened.[/URL]

[QUOTE=bunguer;51709704]You want to far-right to rise? Because you are only fueling them with that type of comment: "bust a nut all over your keyboard if they turn out to be brown ".[/QUOTE] Oh it's this meme again, where you victimize the alt-right and make them look like they're children who don't know any better than to go right-wing because the other side are full* of meanies.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51710416]1- Religion isnt an ideology 2- Religion is a poor indicator of behavior 3- Ethnicity is a poor indicator of behavior 4- There is an extreme overlap of people with [I]those [/I]arguments that are (more or less reasonably) alleged to be islamophobic, and people who genuinely just dislike brown people in general[/QUOTE] Religions are ideologies by definition. And you're right there are people who make those arguments for their own racist ends but the point is that conservatively religious communities/countries tend to be more sexually repressive, especially against women. And before you say it, yes, that doesn't just go for Islam

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51710572]thats an op-ed silly[/QUOTE] It cites the publication of the internal memos from the Stockholm Police admitting that's what happened.

[QUOTE=wewt!;51710583]It cites the publication of the internal memos from the Stockholm Police admitting that's what happened.[/QUOTE] Sadly it is a bit like climate deniers, nothing is proof enough.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51710603]Sadly it is a bit like climate deniers, nothing is proof enough.[/QUOTE] Proof for.... ??

[QUOTE=Hellsten;51710536]We've always had immigration in Sweden in some form or another though. During the medieval times we had the Hansa Germans who came here to trade, we had a large amount of Finns who settled here in the 1500s, the metalworking Vallons in the 1600s (some of which can be found in my own family tree in fact), French artists and whatnot during the 1700s of course, and Italians to do the typical stucco houses of the 1800s, during the world war 2 we took in a lot of refugees from various countries (children from Finland for example who would live with Swedish families) and finally we had a large labour immigration from Yugoslavia in the 50s and 60s. But the refugee situation is very different becuse first of all the culture and norms of the refugees means they do not integrate or assimilate as easily but secondly and more importantly they enter our country at a much quicker rate which with an already awful problem with housing in Sweden means they get stuck living in segregated areas. It simply doesn't work as naturally as with regular immigration.[/QUOTE] And another issue that I don't hear often is that our police can barely handle the deportation orders handed down by the Migration Agency. Each year more than 10,000 people are ordered to leave, some leave on their own some has to be manhandled by the police, most just vanish. Now imagine how outside of the Swedish society these people are. Supposedly we're about to deport up to 80,000 people this year. Swedish sources, [url]http://www.di.se/artiklar/2016/5/2/sa-ska-80000-utvisas/[/url] [url]http://www.svd.se/trendbrott-polisen-genomfor-fler-utvisningar[/url]

[QUOTE=Trim;51710626]Proof for.... ??[/QUOTE] Previous page, Lord M asked this question: [QUOTE=!LORD M!;51710460]Good, then we are on the same page. Do you think the government should cover cases up involving crimes committed by immigrants, like in We Are Stockholm 2015? Would that be good in order to not play people into the hands of SD?[/QUOTE] Big bang replied with the claim that there was no coverup for the sex assaults in We Are Stockholm 2015 [QUOTE=Big Bang;51710503]No, and that's not what happened. There is no bizarre conspiracy going on, and that's exactly the shit that SD perpetuates.[/QUOTE] Replies to the denial of the coverups: [QUOTE=!LORD M!;51710535]They did cover it up though. [URL]http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/overgreppen-pa-festivalen-i-stockholm-rapporterades-aldrig-vidare/[/URL][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=wewt!;51710565][URL="https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/13/sex-assaults-sweden-stockholm-music-festival"]Dude even the fucking guardian admitted that's what happened.[/URL][/QUOTE] I mean, I didn't have to quote all of this for you since it's literally one click away but for some reason you refused to read it the first time around.

[QUOTE=Swebonny;51710629]And another issue that I don't hear often is that our police can barely handle the deportation orders handed down by the Migration Agency. Each year more than 10,000 people are ordered to leave, some leave on their own some has to be manhandled by the police, most just vanish. Now imagine how outside of the Swedish society these people are. Supposedly we're about to deport up to 80,000 people this year. Swedish sources, [url]http://www.di.se/artiklar/2016/5/2/sa-ska-80000-utvisas/[/url] [url]http://www.svd.se/trendbrott-polisen-genomfor-fler-utvisningar[/url][/QUOTE] Very true... Although I remember them saying we were going to deport 80 000 in 2016. That didn't happen. I don't think it will happen this year either. Why are they not taking the military in account?

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51710574]Oh it's this meme again, where you victimize the alt-right and make them look like they're children who don't know any better than to go right-wing because the other side are full* of meanies.[/QUOTE] Do you not think acting like a dick turns people away from your side?

[QUOTE=IAmIchigo;51710690]Do you not think acting like a dick turns people away from your side?[/QUOTE] I probably point this out like once a week. Hasn't gotten through despite seeing people say they are actually sick and tired of that behavior.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51710668]Very true... Although I remember them saying we were going to deport 80 000 in 2016. [B]That didn't happen.[/B] I don't think it will happen this year either. Why are they not taking the military in account?[/QUOTE] Umm how do you know it did not happen? Are you like counting every none white person every day to see if the number changes? and the Swedish Military are NOT allowed to interfere in Civilian matters, because last time they did people got killed.

[QUOTE=Bucketboy;51710729]Umm how do you know it did not happen? Are you like counting every none white person every day to see if the number changes? and the Swedish Military are NOT allowed to interfere in Civilian matters, because last time they did people got killed.[/QUOTE] I couldn't find any follow up article that confirms whether or not they have, but I'm mostly limited to english sources.

[QUOTE=IAmIchigo;51710690]Do you not think acting like a dick turns people away from your side?[/QUOTE] Only to stubborn fools. Their thought process would have to be like this. "These guys are dicks, therefore they must be in the wrong. Since these guys are liberals, that means [I]all[/I] liberals must be in the wrong. Since liberals are wrong, I should become anti-liberal, which would make me right. Alt-right."

[QUOTE=wewt!;51710737]I couldn't find any follow up article that confirms whether or not they have, but I'm mostly limited to english sources.[/QUOTE] People are being deported every single day, i don't think you need a news article to know that.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51710748]Only to stubborn fools. Their thought process would have to be like this. "These guys are dicks, therefore they must be in the wrong. Since these guys are liberals, that means [I]all[/I] liberals must be in the wrong. Since liberals are wrong, I should become anti-liberal, which would make me right. Alt-right."[/QUOTE] People were constantly being called racist, sexist and bigoted because they could not live up to this impossibly pure and inconsistent standard for what a good human being is that a lot of regressive left people started perpetuating [B]but[/B] not that many people joined the alt-right because of that, they just became critical of liberals and even decided to not vote democrat despite identifying as liberal themselves. People joined the alt-right because they were dissapointed with the republican party and were already right leaning to begin with. Of course, that's the reason the alt right became mainstream, not its origin. The origin of the original alt-right is just a bunch of muh heritage and white genocide wankers crying about black people and multiculturalism. [editline]22nd January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Bucketboy;51710787]People are being deported every single day, i don't think you need a news article to know that.[/QUOTE] Well I'd rather not assume it's true or false if I can't actually find a way to confirm it, and I'm definitely not going to tell people to believe something I can't prove.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51710748]Only to stubborn fools. Their thought process would have to be like this. "These guys are dicks, therefore they must be in the wrong. Since these guys are liberals, that means [I]all[/I] liberals must be in the wrong. Since liberals are wrong, I should become anti-liberal, which would make me right. Alt-right."[/QUOTE] Its hard to say only stubborn people are moving away from the "far" left since so many people are getting called racist, sexist, any other buzzword for having even the slightest of differing opinions.

[QUOTE=IAmIchigo;51710814]Its hard to say only stubborn people are moving away from the "far" left since so many people are getting called racist, sexist, any other buzzword for having even the slightest of differing opinions.[/QUOTE] I hear this all the time but I've never seen it in practice. Usually when people are labeled a racist, sexist, or bigot, they're being racist, sexist, or bigoted.

God damn. This makes me sick to the stomach. Getting not only gangraped, but the ones doing it even stream it live. What kind of an emotionless monster would do this to another person? [editline]23rd January 2017[/editline] Like, shit. This is absolutely horrifying.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;51710837]I hear this all the time but I've never seen it in practice. Usually when people are labeled a racist, sexist, or bigot, they're being racist, sexist, or bigoted.[/QUOTE] Here is but 1 example. [video=youtube;iARHCxAMAO0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iARHCxAMAO0[/video] You can look all over youtube and find loads of these videos with people who claim to be liberal blocking people from attending talks and saying those who wish to attend are a racist, sexist , ist ist.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;51710837]I hear this all the time but I've never seen it in practice. Usually when people are labeled a racist, sexist, or bigot, they're being racist, sexist, or bigoted.[/QUOTE] [media]https://youtu.be/FeNJFz-WCZs[/media]

[QUOTE=wewt!;51710790]People were constantly being called racist, sexist and bigoted because they could not live up to this impossibly pure and inconsistent standard for what a good human being is that a lot of regressive left people started perpetuating [B]but[/B] not that many people joined the alt-right because of that, they just became critical of liberals and even decided to not vote democrat despite identifying as liberal themselves. People joined the alt-right because they were dissapointed with the republican party and were already right leaning to begin with. Of course, that's the reason the alt right became mainstream, not its origin. The origin of the original alt-right is just a bunch of muh heritage and white genocide wankers crying about black people and multiculturalism.[/QUOTE] I really don't mean to strawman you. If this is a strawman or an over simplification, please tell me. Are you saying that liberals voted trump (or practically trump, depends on what you think of voting third party) because other liberals were being trash? Do people honestly vote for the other side because their current side has some vocal idiots? Do people just look at the voters instead of the candidates and base their decision on that?

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51710873]I really don't mean to strawman you. If this is a strawman or an over simplification, please tell me. Are you saying that liberals voted trump (or practically trump, depends on what you think of voting third party) because other liberals were being trash? Do people honestly vote for the other side because their current side has some vocal idiots? Do people just look at the voters instead of the candidates and base their decision on that?[/QUOTE] The trump situation is a whole bag of different issues and cannot be boiled down to one single thing, I am sure that some really anti Hillary people switched to trump when she took the nomination.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51710668]Very true... Although I remember them saying we were going to deport 80 000 in 2016. That didn't happen. I don't think it will happen this year either. [B]Why are they not taking the military in account?[/B][/QUOTE] The Migration Agency has asked for help from our military, but only receives help at an administrative level. I believe only the police has the right to actually enforce law, which prevents the military from helping. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/gFZN1FA.png[/IMG] From [url]http://www.regeringen.se/rattsdokument/statens-offentliga-utredningar/2011/02/sou-20117/[/url] And I think the 80,000 number is most likely a theoretical upper limit, based on the ~160k people that arrived in 2015. It's going to take a long time. There are some laws that have been proposed that likely are related to making deportations more effective and less prolonged such as [url]http://www.regeringen.se/rattsdokument/departementsserien-och-promemorior/2016/12/tydligare-befogenheter-for-polisen-nar-beslut-om-avvisning-eller-utvisning-verkstalls/[/url] And this: [url]http://www.migrationsverket.se/Om-Migrationsverket/Nya-lagar-2016.html[/url] Interesting part. Law lasts until 2019. [QUOTE]Sedan den 1 juni har den som har sökt asyl och fått ett beslut om avvisning eller utvisning inte längre rätt till boende och dagersättning från Migrationsverket. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51710851][media]https://youtu.be/FeNJFz-WCZs[/media][/QUOTE] Oh yeah, people see videos like this and delude themselves into thinking the Hugh Mungus lady or other social justice warriors represent any sizeable portion of the left. Meanwhile you're quick to cry "generalisation!" when alt-rightists are called bigots for supporting a bigoted man who spreads bigoted views.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;51710837]I hear this all the time but I've never seen it in practice.[B] Usually when people are labeled a racist, sexist, or bigot, they're being racist, sexist, or bigoted.[/B][/QUOTE] There are countless examples of people being constantly berated over minor shit, think of the Rosetta scientist who got called sexist because of a shirt he was wearing, the countless retarded buzzfeed and MTV videos bashing on "white men", manspreading, mansplaining. Hell, gamergate is a great example of antigg media pulling the sexist card on people just because there was a woman involved in the beginning of gamergate. This sort of dishonest behavior sparked a lot of distrust towards liberal media.

[QUOTE=CanUBe;51710887]Oh yeah, people see videos like this and delude themselves into thinking the Hugh Mungus lady and other social justice warriors represent any sizeable portion of the left. Meanwhile you're quick to cry "generalisation!" when alt-rightists are called bigots for supporting a bigoted man who spreads bigoted views.[/QUOTE] Nobody is saying it is the majority of left who think like this, the issue is that they are so vocal and when people raise concerns about it they are shouted down and told its not a problem.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51710873]I really don't mean to strawman you. If this is a strawman or an over simplification, please tell me. [B]Are you saying that liberals voted trump[/B] (or practically trump, depends on what you think of voting third party) because other liberals were being trash? Do people honestly vote for the other side because their current side has some vocal idiots? Do people just look at the voters instead of the candidates and base their decision on that?[/QUOTE] No, I'm saying they didn't vote democrat. So either they didn't turn out or they voted 3rd party, [I]or [/I]voted trump. You are oversimplifying, but I could've been more specific I guess.

[QUOTE=IAmIchigo;51710883]The trump situation is a whole bag of different issues and cannot be boiled down to one single thing, I am sure that some really anti Hillary people switched to trump when she took the nomination.[/QUOTE] There's being anti-hillary and then there's being a self-hating liberal who votes trump because he/she hates liberals. Also don't get me started on Bernie or Bust.