Memorial to 'Forgotten' Holocaust Opens in Germany for 500,000 Gypsies Also Slaughtered by Nazis
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I hate these sorts of threads because they make it look as though it's only possible to support genocide if you're an ignorant racist.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;38190930]I hate these sorts of threads because they make it look as though it's only possible to support genocide if you're an ignorant racist.[/QUOTE]
Yes, it's perfectly ok to support "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group" as long as you are well educated and do not have any racial bias. This statement makes complete sense.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;38190993]Yes, it's perfectly ok to support "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group" as long as you are well educated and do not have any racial bias. This statement makes complete sense.[/QUOTE]
Well yes of course. Ethical genocide, not ethnic genocide, that's my motto.
I'm really surprised so many people here supported the Holocaust. I mean, Jesus Christ, how do you even not realize what you're saying once you start arguing that gypies should've been killed in their entirety just because they stole a bloody hedge-trimmer?
How does that even happen?
[QUOTE=Paulmol;38190053]I 100% agree with what Dass is saying, most of you won't know much about gypsys but in the UK they are especially bad.They go around assaulting people for no reason whatsoever and steal there things, this is because of the way they are brought up. They are brought up in a very different manor to you and I.
If you want to find out more about gypsys I suggest you go and watch a programme called Big Fat Gypsy Weddings, that will give you a general outline on how there culture is and how they are brought up.
In this reply I am not aiming at all gypsys just MOST of them.[/QUOTE]
Big Fat Gypsy Weddings is the biggest piece of shit and doesn't accurately represent gypsy culture. There is a group of gypsies living a couple of miles away from me and they have cause almost no trouble in the 10ish years they have been around.
It isn't especially bad in the UK, we have it fairly easy here. There are way more gypsies in mainland Europe.
I have yet to meet a gypsy who ain't a stealing douchebag. Tell me whatever the fuck you want about them not being all like that and their culture being cool, I'm glad we're getting rid of them, that's what the french people wanted, that's what we got, yeepikai democracy.
This being said, no group of people deserve to be slaughtered like they were. I just don't like their way of life and their behavior is so terrible I don't feel an ounce of empathy towards them.
ITT: We learned nothing from the Holocaust!
[QUOTE=-Get_A_Life-;38191716]I have yet to meet a gypsy who ain't a stealing douchebag. Tell me whatever the fuck you want about them not being all like that and their culture being cool, I'm glad we're getting rid of them, that's what the french people wanted, that's what we got, yeepikai democracy.
This being said, no group of people deserve to be slaughtered like they were. I just don't like their way of life and their behavior is so terrible I don't feel an ounce of empathy towards them.[/QUOTE]
"I have yet to meet a negro who ain't a stealing douchebag. Tell me whatever the fuck you want about them not being all like that and their culture being cool, I'm glad we're getting rid of them, that's what the American people wanted, that's what we got, yeepikai democracy."
If the South won.
I don't normally approve of making comparisons like that but they fit so well in this context.
[QUOTE=squids_eye;38191774]"I have yet to meet a negro who ain't a stealing douchebag. Tell me whatever the fuck you want about them not being all like that and their culture being cool, I'm glad we're getting rid of them, that's what the American people wanted, that's what we got, yeepikai democracy."
If the South won.
I don't normally approve of making comparisons like that but they fit so well in this context.[/QUOTE]
Except I know great blacks, great arabs, great asians and great white people. Either I'm shit out of luck or the majority thinking this is right : I still haven't met a nice gypsy. The only sort of wisdom I got from them was a punch in my face because I dared looking at him for a few seconds.
A bouncer at a pub in my town is a roma gypsy, and he's a pretty decent guy for a bouncer. He did say he doesn't like irish travellers though. Oh well.
The main problem is that most people will only recognise romani people when they're like stereotypical gypsies. So it's no wonder many people think they're all like that.
This was a pretty nice thing to do, sometimes people forget that it wasn't just Jews who suffered at the hands of Hitler's regime.
[QUOTE=-Get_A_Life-;38191826]Except I know great blacks, great arabs, great asians and great white people. Either I'm shit out of luck or the majority thinking this is right : I still haven't met a nice gypsy. The only sort of wisdom I got from them was a punch in my face because I dared looking at him for a few seconds.[/QUOTE]
You are kind of missing the point. The ignorant attitude you are displaying is remarkably similar to the kind of thing a racist would say 100 years ago. If you were talking about any other group of people you would be called a bigot. You can try and excuse yourself by saying it's fine because it is true but that is the same justification a racist would have used.
[QUOTE=kimr120;38182480]Sure no-one deserves that but in europe gypsies have a bad reputation.[/QUOTE]
As did jews, I don't get the point.
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;38187679]I thought America was fairly racist but holy shit you Europeans are in a whole other level.[/QUOTE]
"You europeans"
You were saying something about negative generalizations?
That's silly, everyone knows that 500 trillions jews, and only jews were killing during WW2.
[QUOTE=-Get_A_Life-;38191716]I have yet to meet a gypsy who ain't a stealing douchebag. Tell me whatever the fuck you want about them not being all like that and their culture being cool, [B]I'm glad we're getting rid of them, that's what the french people wanted, that's what we got[/B], yeepikai democracy.[/QUOTE]
Um the French government is putting new measures in place to help them find jobs and acquire legal permanent camp-sites.
[QUOTE=Strider*;38183540]It certainly seems like it, I think the allied countries did a damn good job of ensuring it.
While the Japanese rarely teach pearl harbor or what happened in China, the Germans are constantly clouded over with the memories of a regime which lasted not much longer than a decade.
Dresden and Hiroshima anyone? The allies were far from innocent.[/QUOTE]
Are you seriously trying to compare wide scale atrocities of torture, mass murder, and rape to the firebombings of Dresden (yes, it was obviously not a good thing to do but they are [B]WORLDS[/B] apart) and the nuclear bombing of Hiroshima (and you forget to name Nagasaki for whatever reason), which was [I]purposefully[/I] made weaker as it was only done as a nuclear deterrent. Had the Allies invaded rather than use the nuclear bomb, the causalities on both sides would be astronomical. For instance, the amount of Medals of Honor made in preparation for this invasion was so large that we're still issuing them today. The United States would have ended up much weaker without the baby boom and the USSR perhaps might have come out on top in the Cold War.
[QUOTE=neos300;38184369]I've never understood why so many Americans seem to hate Jews.[/QUOTE]
Funny, where I live, adults and conservative kids seem to get boners over Israel
[editline]26th October 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE]They get free water, free houses, free eletricity, free jobs, free healthcare[/QUOTE]
can anyone confirm this?
[QUOTE=Pat4ever;38193713]Are you seriously trying to compare wide scale atrocities of torture, mass murder, and rape to the firebombings of Dresden (yes, it was obviously not a good thing to do but they are [B]WORLDS[/B] apart) and the nuclear bombing of Hiroshima (and you forget to name Nagasaki for whatever reason), which was [I]purposefully[/I] made weaker as it was only done as a nuclear deterrent. Had the Allies invaded rather than use the nuclear bomb, the causalities on both sides would be astronomical. For instance, the amount of Medals of Honor made in preparation for this invasion was so large that we're still issuing them today. The United States would have ended up much weaker without the baby boom and the USSR perhaps might have come out on top in the Cold War.[/QUOTE]
Actually, the firebombings of Japan's cities were horrendous and could reach temperatures exceeding that of the ovens. Plus the fact Japan didn't have a modern fire fighting system meant that entire families and parts of cities were burned to the ground because they hadn't began constructing buildings with proper materials.
Then there is the Soviet Union who we won't even get into who was a part of the Allies.
[QUOTE=wraithcat;38188285]They tend to be criminal
Destroy any place they live in (When I say destroy I mean destroy)
lack of work ethic
benefit grab
[B]Those tend to be some of the pretty common people why a lot of people really don't like them. Here was an issue a few months ago, where essentially a fairly large group of Roma moved to a different county in order to get back on full benefits.
Within days the crime levels absolutely skyrocketed in the areas they moved into, in both petty and large crimes. It also essentially forced the police to create a reinforcement unit of sorts.
[/B]
It was pretty bad overall.
There's a bunch of other reasons why a lot of people generally dislike them to be honest. But in part if you'd ask someone to describe an average roma, they'd usually say that as a description. And I'd say this is the case in most EU countries which have a sizeable roma population.
But at the same time wishing genocide on someone is over the line.[/QUOTE]
I actually have no idea how to counter this tbh. It's a factual even so...I'm stuck
help me thisispain, Lazor, Lamdasomething, etc
this is not a satirical post, I literally have no idea how to justify the country's action if it lead to such high crime and misery
[QUOTE=The Baconator;38194203]I actually have no idea how to counter this tbh. It's a factual even so...I'm stuck
help me thisispain, Lazor, Lamdasomething, etc
this is not a satirical post, I literally have no idea how to justify the country's action if it lead to such high crime and misery[/QUOTE]
What wraithcat posted can be used as justification against any poor minority in any country.
It tends to be rough being a poor minority in a country that:
Tend to hate you
Won't hire you, limiting your chances to get out of poverty
Then blame you for your inability to get a job
Why should people who are poor treat the people who aren't poor with respect when they aren't given either respect or an equal chance?
OY VEY!! NO ONE SHOULD FORGET THE 6 MILLION BILLION OF GODS PEOPLE BURNED IN OVENS!! THIS MEMORIAL SHOULD BE TURNED INTO ANOTHER JEWISH MEMORIAL.
[QUOTE=En Ex;38182444]Are you all fucking kidding me?
Hitler murdered hundreds of thousands of Gypsies (Roma and Sinti) in a similar way to how the Jews and other groups were targeted.
No one deserves this kind of treatment.[/QUOTE]
Wait a minute,
Hitler killed Jews because they are greedy and stole all the money
Hitler Killed gypsies because they are robbing people to get the money
Can you see the pattern?
HITLER 2012 MODERN TIME ROBIN HOOD
[QUOTE=-Get_A_Life-;38191716]I have yet to meet a gypsy who ain't a stealing douchebag. Tell me whatever the fuck you want about them not being all like that and their culture being cool, I'm glad we're getting rid of them, that's what the french people wanted, that's what we got, yeepikai democracy.
This being said, no group of people deserve to be slaughtered like they were. I just don't like their way of life and their behavior is so terrible I don't feel an ounce of empathy towards them.[/QUOTE]
As a white, 1800's southern plantation owner, I agree with you. Negros have done nothing for our blooming nation but bad. They're lazy, uneducated, and act like apes in public. Did you hear about Johnson's daughter? Two Negros kidnapped and raped her, right in public! They're disgusting savages and should be deported from the States. Their horrid behavior is unacceptable and I wouldn't feel any empathy if they all died horrible deaths.
[I]This is how dumb you are[/I]
[QUOTE=Swilly;38193857]Actually, the firebombings of Japan's cities were horrendous and could reach temperatures exceeding that of the ovens. Plus the fact Japan didn't have a modern fire fighting system meant that entire families and parts of cities were burned to the ground because they hadn't began constructing buildings with proper materials.
Then there is the Soviet Union who we won't even get into who was a part of the Allies.[/QUOTE]
Regardless, trying to compare the rape of Nanjing/the Holocaust, among the many other atrocities that Japan/Germany committed, to the Allies bombing of cities is illogical. They have completely different intentions behind them.
And yes, Stalin killed more innocent people than Hitler did. There's no debating that. The only reason he wasn't chastised for such actions was
A. He was still an ally at the time so bringing up early hostilities with a potential enemy would be dangerous
B. The small number of information that left the Soviet Union prevented the outside world from knowing the whole truth until the Soviet Union had already collapsed.
[QUOTE=Pat4ever;38196531]Regardless, trying to compare the rape of Nanjing/the Holocaust, among the many other atrocities that Japan/Germany committed, to the Allies bombing of cities is illogical. They have completely different intentions behind them.
And yes, Stalin killed more innocent people than Hitler did. There's no debating that. The only reason he wasn't chastised for such actions was
A. He was still an ally at the time so bringing up early hostilities with a potential enemy would be dangerous
B. The small number of information that left the Soviet Union prevented the outside world from knowing the whole truth until the Soviet Union had already collapsed.[/QUOTE]
intent doesn't matter
also B is inaccurate; even if the west didn't have quite all the details, they knew roughly the extent of what was going on.
[QUOTE=Pat4ever;38196531]Regardless, trying to compare the rape of Nanjing/the Holocaust, among the many other atrocities that Japan/Germany committed, to the Allies bombing of cities is illogical. They have completely different intentions behind them.
And yes, Stalin killed more innocent people than Hitler did. There's no debating that. The only reason he wasn't chastised for such actions was
A. He was still an ally at the time so bringing up early hostilities with a potential enemy would be dangerous
B. The small number of information that left the Soviet Union prevented the outside world from knowing the whole truth until the Soviet Union had already collapsed.[/QUOTE]
Are you trying to justify the Allies were the 'can do no wrong' good guys?
Two wrongs, no matter the disproportion, are still wrong. Innocents are still innocents and many were killed by both sides.
I'm disgusted by both sides and I'm even more disgusted when they try to justify what they did as a good thing. It may have been logical, but logical doesn't make it better.
(Referring to all your posts, not just the quoted one)
[QUOTE=Pat4ever;38196531]Regardless, trying to compare the rape of Nanjing/the Holocaust, among the many other atrocities that Japan/Germany committed, to the Allies bombing of cities is illogical. [B]They have completely different intentions behind them[/B].
And yes, Stalin killed more innocent people than Hitler did. There's no debating that. The only reason he wasn't chastised for such actions was
A. He was still an ally at the time so bringing up early hostilities with a potential enemy would be dangerous
B. The small number of information that left the Soviet Union prevented the outside world from knowing the whole truth until the Soviet Union had already collapsed.[/QUOTE]
So which side [I]didn't[/I] intend on killing thousands of civilians?
ok at first this thread was just jokes in awful taste which are funny anyway. i seriously doubt anyone is literally condoning the slaughter of thousands
You'd be surprised, there's shit [I]everywhere[/I]
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