If You're Young, The Job Outlook Is Grim No Matter Where You Live - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Pascall;48900738]Bleak as hell for those not in a STEM field, especially. Also internships are not always an option when you need to keep yourself sustained and like 90% of internships are unpaid. Balancing school and work is hard enough without throwing in something that is all work and no reward besides "experience" that you're not even sure will pay off, down the road.[/QUOTE] Hell, even internships are becoming hard to come by. I spent four years looking for an internship with a non stem field, only to be muscled out by STEM majors for things like insurance brokering or PR. [editline]14th October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Tmaxx;48900779]This is basically it. I managed to become a manager at an auto parts store, only because I grew up with cars. Thing is, I was kinda rushed into the position and haven't got any training for it. I've basically been told "go do this" without being shown, and then I get in trouble for fucking up. Like, what did you expect, you haven't fucking trained me. And this job is way, way more stressful than it has any right to be. It's just fucking retail ffs. Being young and hunting for a job fucking blows. You'll either end up like me, stuck in a rut with no other skills, or over qualified for most anything yet can't get a job.[/QUOTE] Or like me and almost every single young person at the Supermarket I work, overqualified but unable to get their diplomas because of some technicality.

[QUOTE=EvilMattress;48901032]Rev up those sick sensationalist headline zingers, someone dared to post something wrong, it's my Facepunch duty to call them out on it![/QUOTE] Yeah, but to be fair it is stupid to assume their is no issue because you are not affected by it. If anything maybe getting pounded by drive by zingers will help him realise that the world doesn't revolve around him and not everyone is in the same circumstances as he is.

[QUOTE=Darth Ninja;48901214]Yeah, but to be fair it is stupid to assume their is no issue because you are not affected by it. If anything maybe getting pounded by drive by zingers will help him realise that the world doesn't revolve around him and not everyone is in the same circumstances as he is.[/QUOTE] Yes I know this but daMN some of the posters are toxic as fuck towards him

Went for Computer Networking Systems and now I flip donuts for a living. $11.50/hour, decent benefits...guess it could always be worse.

I've been in IT for a little over 5 years now. No degree. The IT field is good depending on where you get your job.

There is a massive void of construction trades in the UK and will be for some time to come as the housing shortfall is vast. Graduates should never be unemployed.

[QUOTE=EvilMattress;48901270]Yes I know this but daMN some of the posters are toxic as fuck towards him[/QUOTE] I agree but I don't blame them, honestly. It's very easy to be bitter when someone invalidates your struggle just because they're doing fine, is all.

Finished Trade School when I was 20 on a friday. Started working on a new Job the monday after. Got the Job 4 Weeks prior and Started searching 1 month prior. Issued ~4 Job applications in total. Now sitting pretty comfy as a Software Engineer with above average wage for my age. Could be worse I guess. Software Engineering is also very popular tho.

[QUOTE=catbarf;48900505]You're at the tail end of the age group in a highly competitive industry with almost a decade of relevant experience in a country where your chosen profession is always in demand everywhere you go. Congrats on your success, but you're an anecdote.[/QUOTE] Speaking of IT, you're kinda wrong. I live in a shithole where IT is far from being developed as much as in the US and i was like 20 when i got my first job in the industry. Wasn't difficult at all, actually all you need is the basic theoretical knowledge of a subject, some little practical experience in it and a small bit of brains. I sure understand this really depends on your location and doesn't apply to other industries at all though.

It depends really. If you're one of those people that has never bothered to take a menial job or internship somewhere, then expects to get a job immediately after college that's related to their degree with nothing on their resume besides education, then yea good lucky buddy, you're gonna need it. But if you actually put in the time and effort to accrue prior work experience, enroll in extracurricular activities that give you connections, and generally just work harder to find a job besides occassionally browsing glassdoor/lookingglass or monster, then you should be fine. I guess what I'm trying to say is the ease of finding a job is proportionate to the amount of work you put in to do so. The guy that's willing to take unpaid internships and apply both online and in person regardless of the position is the guy that gets the job, not the guy that posts on the internet that he/she can't find one.

[QUOTE=AltF4 All Day;48901571]It depends really. If you're one of those people that has never bothered to take a menial job or internship somewhere, then expects to get a job immediately after college that's related to their degree with nothing on their resume besides education, then yea good lucky buddy, you're gonna need it. But if you actually put in the time and effort to accrue prior work experience, enroll in extracurricular activities that give you connections, and generally just work harder to find a job besides occassionally browsing lookingglass or monster, then you should be fine. I guess what I'm trying to say is the ease of finding a job is proportionate to the amount of work you put in to do so. The guy that's willing to take unpaid internships and apply both online and in person regardless of the position is the guy that gets the job, not the guy that posts on the internet that he can't find one.[/QUOTE] Not everyone can do unpaid internships lol

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48901586]Not everyone can do unpaid internships lol[/QUOTE] In what universe? If you can't find one in your field sure I can buy that, but in that case just volunteer at a hospital or a tax clinic during tax season. It's a hell of a lot better than nothing and you can potentially get connections that way. This is the sort of attitude I was talking about, instead of going "boo hoo there's not even unpaid internships in my area" just think outside the box a little.

I find that the blockers to getting the job always FAR outweigh the actual intelligence/ competency required to do it. I've been a hiring manager and it's disheartening to know that most of the best candidates get filtered out by HR before we get to interview, having 20 interviews for a few positions and half the candidates being dribbling idiots out of several dozen applications reminds you the general process just doesn't work. I took 2 years out after a 5 year tough job and it was the worst decision I ever made, getting back to the same level has taken me 2 years as it was just impossible to get a job at the same level. 200+ applications to get what I would consider an entry level role to then boost up from the inside. I still think apprenticeships need to branch out to EVERY sector for young people to stand a chance of getting into work and start earning without being crippled by debt.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48901586]Not everyone can do unpaid internships lol[/QUOTE] Especially people with loans looming over them like an overbearing father :s: It's not surprising to be honest. Even after graduating, I can't get my foot in the door for most of the jobs that I'm qualified for, but I'm a shoe-in for tech support? I didn't graduate in any tech field either. Paid internships are also a godsend, especially in the psych field. Location of jobs does have a factor in all this, but not everyone has the means to move to these locations should they be outside of it. Its just...really hard to get a job that isn't within the tech or engineering department (to me anyway).

[QUOTE=AltF4 All Day;48901624]In what universe? If you can't find one in your field sure I can buy that, but in that case just volunteer at a hospital or a tax clinic during tax season. It's a hell of a lot better than nothing and you can potentially get connections that way. This is the sort of attitude I was talking about, instead of going "boo hoo there's not even unpaid internships in my area" just think outside the box a little.[/QUOTE] So you think some people can afford rent while being unpaid? Food? Your attitude is the one of "I don't care what reality is like for you, I know what my reality is and there's no changing my anecdotes". I personally don't have trouble finding work, but I realize it's not that easy for everyone. If someone was to take an unpaid internship in my city, they'd better be living with people who pay 100% of food and rent for them because they will be homeless due to the high cost of rent and food in this town.

Y'all who are using your personal successes in an attempt to invalidate the study are seriously missing the point. The conclusion here is that it is [I]significantly more difficult[/I] for people in the given age range to find work, not that it's [I]impossible.[/I] Essentially, low job availability means that the odds are stacked against our demographic a bit more heavily than others, meaning we must work harder to achieve similar levels of success. And, for every success story, there are going to be a number of people who have fallen through the cracks. Congratulations to each of you on finding your niche, but please do not use your personal sense of validation to disregard a proven and quantifiable economic trend that is making it increasingly more difficult for a huge chunk of the population to self actualize. That's just arrogant, yo.

[QUOTE=EvilMattress;48901032]Rev up those sick sensationalist headline zingers, someone dared to post something wrong, it's my Facepunch duty to call them out on it![/QUOTE] Only one problem, zingers aren't in SH any more, so I'm not seeing where you're coming from or what your point is [QUOTE=Vaught;48901652]Especially people with loans looming over them like an overbearing father :s:[/QUOTE] personally the idea of taking a loan out is god damn terrifying the 'bank' sounds like a really shitty thing to deal with

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48901668]So you think some people can afford rent while being unpaid? Food? Your attitude is the one of "I don't care what reality is like for you, I know what my reality is and there's no changing my anecdotes". I personally don't have trouble finding work, but I realize it's not that easy for everyone. If someone was to take an unpaid internship in my city, they'd better be living with people who pay 100% of food and rent for them because they will be homeless due to the high cost of rent and food in this town.[/QUOTE] This so much, lack of jobs means redundancies can be a death sentence for those living month by month. Especially since they payouts are getting much rarer and are taxed heavily, I've had friends have less than a months pay to get a new job and it's disgraceful.

[QUOTE=EvilMattress;48901270]Yes I know this but daMN some of the posters are toxic as fuck towards him[/QUOTE] read the posts again and see if there really is any "Toxicity". Being told you're wrong or anecdotally right is not "Toxic".

[QUOTE=J!NX;48901683]Only one problem, zingers aren't in SH any more, so I'm not seeing where you're coming from or what your point is[/QUOTE] Cease and desist this off-topic bickering at once, I say.

[QUOTE=AltF4 All Day;48901624]In what universe? If you can't find one in your field sure I can buy that, but in that case just volunteer at a hospital or a tax clinic during tax season. It's a hell of a lot better than nothing and you can potentially get connections that way. This is the sort of attitude I was talking about, instead of going "boo hoo there's not even unpaid internships in my area" just think outside the box a little.[/QUOTE] Unpaid internships are very rarely worth the potential poverty for those who struggle with finances and are, unfortunately, very often a company's means of getting free labor.

I'm curious, in what industries is taking an unpaid internship mandatory? My college was a mix of STEM and non-STEM fields and all of them required internships to graduate, and unpaid ones didn't count. I remember some people bellyaching about the requirements but in the end it just meant they had to look a little harder, and I don't know anyone who failed to graduate or dropped out because they couldn't find paid internships or co-ops.

Considering I'm just about to start getting a job for the first time hearing shit like this is really not very uh, hope inspiring. I feel like this is increasingly going to become one of the major issues in the country if it isn't already because, y'know, you can't have an [I]entire[/I] fucking generation of people who could be working struggling to get work. I have no idea where solving this would even begin or how many politicians give a shit about it 'cept Bernie, though. [quote]Across regions and continents, people 15 to 29 years old are at least twice as likely as adults to be unemployed.[/quote] also maybe they mean young adults but, people 18-29 [I]are[/I] adults [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48901693]read the posts again and see if there really is any "Toxicity". Being told you're wrong or anecdotally right is not "Toxic".[/QUOTE] I keep seeing that word pop up everywhere since Dunkey's league video and it's annoying the shit out of me, whatever happened to 'being mean' or 'being a dick'

I haven't really heard this mentioned a lot, but I think about it a lot. Pensions. If you're my age, when you're 65, the retirement age will be much higher, and I won't have a government mandated pension. I'll have a personal savings account. But that isn't as reliable because what about rainy days and accidents that aren't insured?(And in this region, you can't get EC for most things at a cost that's affordable). It isn't like we're going to be paid as much, have as much disposable income, we're still paying the pensions of the old people alive now and will be for decades to come, and we're supposed to squirrel away our own money on top of that in some of the most tense economic climates for our own retirement and also have enough savings for if we have a rainy day. We won't get to own property or our own homes in the same way they did. And we're supposed to look forward to all this, get involved and be super happy about our situation and work harder and longer than any generation before us because that's the norm? Am I wrong to see something upsetting about all this?

Not at all, the economic future of our generation come retirement age is deeply concerning. Personal savings accounts, pensions, and 401k's are far from your only options for retirement planning, but not many people know how to plan for retirement beyond them, and fewer still take the initiative to actively educate themselves about how to make proper investments for your future and follow through. 56% of above-30's are reportedly not preparing for retirement yet, which is very dangerous. If you live in the US, and your retirement plan is just relying on social security, then you are going to be in for a rude awakening. I would recommend to literally everybody that they start reading books on financial planning as soon as possible. Becoming financially literate and knowing the options available to you will be nothing but a boon.

Has anyone else noticed, by the way, that we seem to be pushing the sort of age of success further back and back? Everyone's noticed more and more people live with their parents in to their 20s, and I heard someone seriously argue with me that you don't really count as an adult capable of making 100 percent of your own decisions until you're [I]25.[/I] Now according to this, you're going to struggle to get a job until you're [I]30.[/I] How far forward are we going to push the line? How long do I need to depend on family and shit money until I can actually be financially successful? How many people are we going to say [I]need[/I] a college education? Everyone? Then how can we expect everyone to pay for it when it's more expensive than it used to be in the first place and it's too much for anyone to afford at that anyway? Blurgh.

[QUOTE=AltF4 All Day;48901624]In what universe? If you can't find one in your field sure I can buy that, but in that case just volunteer at a hospital or a tax clinic during tax season. It's a hell of a lot better than nothing and you can potentially get connections that way. This is the sort of attitude I was talking about, instead of going "boo hoo there's not even unpaid internships in my area" just think outside the box a little.[/QUOTE] This comment lol, I got offered a few unpaid, 1 year placement opportunities at a few engineering companies in the UK and the way they expect you to give in and go "yes I will work for you, for a whole year for absolutely nothing whilst I still have to pay for food and a place to live and bills as a 20 year old student" is terrible. I know the benefits of having a placement, even one that's unpaid, but its very often not feasible at all. I would have been completely happy with getting paid just enough to cover expenses like food/rent/bills and not making much extra, but to support yourself on nothing for a year whilst working is terrible

*complains about ignorant republicans* oh yea guys btw theres no problem finding jobs is easy i got one see *complains more about ignorant republicans*

Honestly, I wouldn't be so mad if it wasn't for the fact that guys I'd room with live across the pond and finding a good paying job in England is difficult to say the least. I'm happy with my nine hours a week and my family has been completely supportive of my brother and I. I wouldn't trade em for anything and whilst I wish I had a better paying job to live alone, its better now than I was [I]when I was in college.[/I]

You know what's even more difficult? Being a "young adult", early 20's I seriously can not find a single god damn job, because a) you gotta be under 18 for tax purposes, or b) you've gotta have finished a proper education. It means I'm now stuck without any chance of getting a job, besides delivering pizza's / newspapers.