If You're Young, The Job Outlook Is Grim No Matter Where You Live - Polidicks

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48900491]I disagree with this. I'm 28 now, I work in IT. Finding jobs has never been difficult since I started in the industry ~8 years ago.[/QUOTE] IT is most understaffed business market, only in 2014 there were 700k (yes, 700,000) job placements unoccupied in EU alone.

This thread is fucking scary. I'm not one to connect well with others so when I get into and out of College I might be fucked. At least I have a back-up plan (Apprenticeship) if that happens but holy shit I might be screwed.

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[QUOTE=Lebofly;48905114]Don't worry guys as long as you stay positive and keep trying, I was out of work for a year and I got really depressed over it but you know what if you keep trying you'll get a job eventually. Plenty of people hiring, it's just about finding the right one.[/QUOTE] Yeah for anyone reading this [B]LISTEN TO LEBOFLY'S POST[/B] I'm 25 and had kinda fucked off after high school working a handfull of retail jobs not making much. recently stared school for basically audio engineering ( technically working in the entertainment industry with anything to do with audio ) and found that i had some damn good connections at this school. the place is one of canada's top studios for recording as well. I've kept pushing and bein positive about every opportunity thats come by which has led me to being connected with some of my favorite bands. I guess my thing is if you have something you love doing and theres a market out there for it, [B][I]find a way to make it your career and you will do just fine.[/I][/B]

There is a street phrase in my town regarding the ways you get employed: "Personal Value first, Connections second, Money third, Knowledge fourth.". I'm 22, just got out of uni with an Arts degree (Multimedia Design), and barely managed to get an Internship thanks to my parents pulling favors back in March. Worked alongside a great guy who eventually left the company and filled me in his void. Now my life is pretty much stabilizing, even when I only got 330$/mo (and spends 200$/mo to live comfortably). The real lessons I learn from the whole mess is that: a) We are social creatures. We work on connections created between social creatures. If you can't create connections and use them, you are pretty much screwed. (I'm still screwed, but at least I'm improving.) b) Work your way up until you get to the point where you no longer have to go find a job, and instead [I]people ask you to work for them[/I]. My dad used to be a hotel receptionist back when the 'Nam was like North Korea now. Then he climbed his way up until he became the head of one of the biggest hotels in town. Now he retired early and became a hotel operations consultant (he helps with setting up a hotel), but he still gets invitations to manage other hotels (which he often refuses). Hope my story helps.

In that case, I'm super boned. Only connections I have are the plugs from my computer to the powerstrip :v:. I really screwed myself over by being a shut in and studying all day. I suppose, as it goes, there are winners and there are losers.

[QUOTE=Vaught;48905405]In that case, I'm super boned. Only connections I have are the plugs from my computer to the powerstrip :v:. I really screwed myself over by being a shut in and studying all day. I suppose, as it goes, there are winners and there are losers.[/QUOTE] It's never too late though

[QUOTE=kaukassus;48901426]Finished Trade School when I was 20 on a friday. Started working on a new Job the monday after. Got the Job 4 Weeks prior and Started searching 1 month prior. Issued ~4 Job applications in total. Now sitting pretty comfy as a Software Engineer with above average wage for my age. Could be worse I guess. Software Engineering is also very popular tho.[/QUOTE] I'm currently going to school for my CS degree, junior, 20, unemployed. Went to a trade high school for electronic technology. i'd like to get a job as a software engineer or application developer but it's looking like I should do an internship or 2 first

[QUOTE=Lebofly;48905471]It's never too late though[/QUOTE] I mean, that'd be true if I didn't have loans looming over me. In fact, they'll be asking for money soon. Don't think I can ask for another grace period either.

[QUOTE=Vaught;48905495]I mean, that'd be true if I didn't have loans looming over me. In fact, they'll be asking for money soon. Don't think I can ask for another grace period either.[/QUOTE] You're dead m8 glhf

[QUOTE=Vaught;48905405]In that case, I'm super boned. Only connections I have are the plugs from my computer to the powerstrip :v:. I really screwed myself over by being a shut in and studying all day. I suppose, as it goes, there are winners and there are losers.[/QUOTE] Well then there are a lot of losers out there, because this is starting to be the case more and more with people our age. We're becoming a very large and powerful group. Presidential candidates in this country pander to us now; they have running platforms of which huge portions concern college education/tuition issues and youth unemployment. I mean, this isn't something that's going to be painless. There's a lot of frustration and disappointment which we're already trying to deal with, and we'll have to deal with them for a long time yet to come. It will end though. Like I said, things can only go on this way for so long; they can't last forever. People can only be made to endure so much before they finally snap. Either the powers that be will recognize this and will begin trying to help alleviate our problems, which is sort of what we're seeing right now with the primaries (hell, look at the success of Bernie Sanders thusfar), or we'll just take matters into our own hands and go fucking nuts. True, no, this isn't Weimar Germany. People aren't starving to death in the streets, inflation hasn't destroyed our economy, etc. But we are suffering tremendous financial problems, and it's putting intense pressure on a lot of people in this country. [url=https://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/about/overview/]Almost 47 million people here are living at or below the poverty line[/url]. There's 319 million people living in this country, for reference. Poverty rates increased for married couples and people with bachelors degrees. Just over 21% of all children in this country live in poverty. Single-parent households are increasing in number, which statistically are more predisposed to poverty (there's already something like 20+ million kids without fathers at present). About 70% of all graduates from colleges leave school tens of thousands of dollars in debt (close to $30,000 on average), and then you've got these obvious unemployment/overqualified and underpaid employment issues which this thread is about... etc. My point is something's got to give eventually. For what people do live in comfort, there's a sizable portion that does not. There are so many problems this country is simultaneously faced with right now (socially, financially, and educationally) that this all must come to a head at some point. Action must be taken; things are severe enough that they cannot continue to be ignored. Otherwise, again, things will just get worse; people will get more radical out of desperation, and they'll start demanding resolutions. And it will eventually lead to violence; [url=http://www.apa.org/pi/ses/resources/indicator/2012/04/unemployment.aspx]joblessness is extremely vicious on our mental health[/url] (speaking from experience here as well-- family experience and personal experience). Things will work out at some point, but we have to start helping each other and ourselves right now in order to make them start working out sooner rather than later. The sooner life becomes more enjoyable and less stressful, the sooner people can start living and not just existing, the better things will be for everyone. Don't ever think you're a loser just because you can't find work, and don't ever take shit from anyone who tries to tell you that you're a loser because you can't find work.

[QUOTE=AltF4 All Day;48901624]In what universe? If you can't find one in your field sure I can buy that, but in that case just volunteer at a hospital or a tax clinic during tax season. It's a hell of a lot better than nothing and you can potentially get connections that way. This is the sort of attitude I was talking about, instead of going "boo hoo there's not even unpaid internships in my area" just think outside the box a little.[/QUOTE] one problem with unpaid internships. they're unpaid. I've got bills and an unpaid internship eats into the time that I could be working to buy food and such

Temp agency's and warehouses. You'll find work, probably shitty work, but its better than no work.

I'm currently 20, went through trade school to become an electrician and I decided that I absolutely hate building houses. I don't mind service work, in which I fix other people's fuck ups, but I can't stand actually building a house. At this point I don't even really want to be in the electrical field in this country anymore because at least in my area, it is saturated with employers that expect more than you can give and can you quickly when they realize they might have to actually train you some. I would love to go to a university, but I have 20k worth of debt from the trade school and would have no idea what I would want to study. Currently I work as a pizza delivery driver and am on the fast track to becoming a shift manager, and hopefully I can go up from there. I am content with where I am at, but the bleakness of the future fills me with such existential dread that some days I feel like eating the barrel of my gun might actually be preferable. But I'll keep living and trying to better my life. My only advice to people looking at trade colleges is that you extensively research them before you enroll. Make sure you aren't getting screwed as far as the loan rates go, because there are some extremely predatory trade colleges here in the good ol' USA.

[QUOTE=Del91;48906202]Temp agency's and warehouses. You'll find work, probably shitty work, but its better than no work.[/QUOTE] I can vouch for warehouse work, I've done christmas work wrapping up toys for a delivery company and right now I'm doing work in a milk depo sorting and packing orders. Both are/were excellent jobs but the one I'm doing now can result in me working till 2:00 AM on busy night because some people just don't show up some nights. right now I'm getting more shifts the usual because they need someone to cover until they've find and train a new guy. Money is good though so I can't complain. I think a big problem with job hunting is that people seem to think that you need to send resumes out to big retail/fast food places for the best chance to get a entry level job. most corporate places get their resumes checked by machines so unless you know which buzzwords to put in then you're fucked. Even if you get a job working at McMart I'll be shit work dealing with shit customers. The worst job I've ever done was a Domino's where I had constant abuse from customers over the phone (I have trouble using phones now thanks to that job). Seriously, small/medium places looking for odd jobs to be done are vastly better than big corporations, They also tend to have much better work environments. I spend most of my work nights carrying around crates of milk while listening to podcasts. I get paid for that. Also I get free chocolate milk. Best bonus ever.

[QUOTE=Del91;48906202]Temp agency's and warehouses. You'll find work, probably shitty work, but its better than no work.[/QUOTE]Sadly this is not the sort of work you can start a family with. If you manage to get out of the loop, great. If not, you're kinda fucked. Having a family and kid/s while working temp or warehouse jobs will cause a lot of problems for everyone involved.

[QUOTE=catbarf;48901720]I'm curious, in what industries is taking an unpaid internship mandatory? My college was a mix of STEM and non-STEM fields and all of them required internships to graduate, and unpaid ones didn't count. I remember some people bellyaching about the requirements but in the end it just meant they had to look a little harder, and I don't know anyone who failed to graduate or dropped out because they couldn't find paid internships or co-ops.[/QUOTE] Every college level or higher education that I know of requires at LEAST half a year of internships. These are generally unpaid, because yay, free labor. [editline]15th October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Kumari24;48905216] I guess my thing is if you have something you love doing and theres a market out there for it, [B][I]find a way to make it your career and you will do just fine.[/I][/B][/QUOTE] The problem starts when you don't have anything you enjoy doing.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;48906507]Sadly this is not the sort of work you can start a family with. If you manage to get out of the loop, great. If not, you're kinda fucked. Having a family and kid/s while working temp or warehouse jobs will cause a lot of problems for everyone involved.[/QUOTE] I make pretty decent money in my warehouse, my buddy just bought a house actually. The starting wage here is $15/hr while minimum is just over $9.

Good thing I am a SRA major because Cyber Security jobs are more plentiful than there are people to fill them.

[QUOTE=Del91;48906711]I make pretty decent money in my warehouse, my buddy just bought a house actually. The starting wage here is $15/hr while minimum is just over $9.[/QUOTE] The hell do you do there?

[QUOTE=Hyperbole;48906663]Every college level or higher education that I know of requires at LEAST half a year of internships. These are generally unpaid, because yay, free labor.[/QUOTE] Did you read anything in my post beyond the first sentence? [quote]I'm curious, in what industries is taking an unpaid internship mandatory? My college was a mix of STEM and non-STEM fields and [b]all of them required internships to graduate, and unpaid ones didn't count[/b]. I remember some people bellyaching about the requirements but in the end it just meant they had to look a little harder, and [b]I don't know anyone who failed to graduate or dropped out because they couldn't find paid internships or co-ops.[/b][/quote] Now, my perspective here is limited to the people I interacted with in school, but while I've heard a lot of people in both STEM and non-STEM majors complain about the lack of paid internships, they all seemed to find them anyways because they managed to graduate on schedule. I'm asking what industries there are where unpaid internships are the standard and paid internships are nigh-impossible to find, because I haven't seen them.

Not every college/university major requires internships to graduate. Weird that it's a requirement for yours. [editline]15th October 2015[/editline] Also I have never found a paid internship for my major literally anywhere in the city I'm currently in.

Got a BA in History, earned a full-time commission from the Army and now I'm put into a managerial position and expected to take up technical skills from my next school. Starting is like 50-55k a year with full medical and education benefits. I guess going military career is cheating.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;48907612]The hell do you do there?[/QUOTE] Food distribution :v:

This is not a good reason to look forward to being old.

[QUOTE=karlosfandango;48909986]This is not a good reason to look forward to being old.[/QUOTE] Is there any reason to look forward to being old? From what I've seen being old kinda sucks.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;48909101] [B]I guess going military career is cheating.[/B][/QUOTE] Untill you get sent to wage war wich is what the army's main purpose is. [editline]15th October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Pascall;48900738][B]Bleak as hell for those not in a STEM field, especially.[/B] [/QUOTE] I remember posting a while ago this thread, [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1483424&p=48571620"]STEM disruption[/URL] [QUOTE]Not every person has the ability to learn these difficult skills — a[B]lmost half of US bachelor’s degree students who entered STEM fields between 2003 and 2009 had left these fields by spring 2009.[/B] In engineering, of every one hundred who start, only fifty-five make it to a degree. [B]The subject with the highest dropout rate in the UK is Computer science.[/B] There are currently not enough STEM jobs for STEM graduates,[B] the shortage of stem workers is a complete myth[/B]. A 2014 study by the National Science Board found that [B]of 19.5 million holders of degrees in STEM, only 5.4 million were working in those fields[/B] The Center for Economic Policy and Research, [B]tracing graduates from 2010 through 2014, discovered that 28 percent of engineers and 38 percent of computer scientists were either unemployed or holding jobs that did not need their training.[/B] In fact, according to the U.S. Department of Commerce,[B] between 2010 and 2011, the employment level of the entire U.S. STEM workforce (including workers at all education levels) grew by only 92,492 jobs.[/B] [B]In fact more than 370,000 science and engineering jobs in the United States were lost in 2011[/B], according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Electrical and electronic engineering has been heavily outsourced abroad, [B]US employment in 2013 declined to about 300,000, down from about 385,000 in 2002.[/B][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=godfatherk;48910468]Untill you get sent to wage war wich is what the army's main purpose is.[/QUOTE] Well that is something that I am always aware and cognizant of or I wouldn't have bothered with the Armed Forces.

I never really liked these generalized outlooks. Age is a factor more so because we usually haven t been alive long enough to acquire experience. But certainly without getting in to details, the "employment culture" seems to have evolved in to something very conservative and picky, which isn't a good blanket solution for every single variety of work out there. Some jobs, for sure, are much better off with people already trained and ready to go, but for the ones that don't need that; they miss miss out on potentially great young workers simply because we get shot down before we can even truly try. Even with bad odds and stupid qualification demands, a lot of us will still find jobs. As already posted, a lot of you IT/CS peeps have good paths set up, so it's not like the increased difficulty means we all are absolutely screwed. [QUOTE=Tmaxx;48900779]This is basically it. I managed to become a manager at an auto parts store, only because I grew up with cars. Thing is, I was kinda rushed into the position and haven't got any training for it. I've basically been told "go do this" without being shown, and then I get in trouble for fucking up. Like, what did you expect, you haven't fucking trained me. And this job is way, way more stressful than it has any right to be. It's just fucking retail ffs. Being young and hunting for a job fucking blows. You'll either end up like me, stuck in a rut with no other skills, or over qualified for most anything yet can't get a job.[/QUOTE] I'm a shitty delivery driver at an auto parts store/warehouse. I can confirm, no matter your position, shit gets way more intense than it ever needs to be! Not to forget that every driver gets paid the same poverty level $8/hr, and you don't get a raise for working harder, or even working there 5+years. I've been there 2 and nothing really has changed...no real room to move up either!