Bush Snr reveals he voted for Clinton, Bush Jnr refused to vote

[Archangel125]

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;52865038]Bush voting for hillary and her general pro corporate neolib agenda demonstrates aptly how the dems aren't left wing. Dems are just slightly more liberal republicans. I'm in the UK and both dems and repubs seem economically very right wing[/QUOTE]

The funny thing is that dems used to be more left than they are today. Then the Citizens United ruling happened in 2010.

[Crumpets]

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;52865038]Bush voting for hillary and her general pro corporate neolib agenda demonstrates aptly how the dems aren't left wing. Dems are just slightly more liberal republicans. I'm in the UK and both dems and repubs seem economically very right wing[/QUOTE]

US politics are shifted so rightward you have the 'enlightened centrist' bunch defending white ethnostates, natural orders and talking over a globalist Jewish conspiracy.

'The Left' to most of the US refers to everything from the clearly right wing Dems to Antifa. Like what. The Dems are so much closer to the Republicans than Antifa that 'left' actually just means 'anyone who isn't republican', which is one of the biggest spanners in your shitty political discourse. You can blow off dump trucks full of differing ideology as simply 'the left'. That way you don't have to engage with any of it.

have a totally arbitrary line that illustrates this disconnect from the position of one of these guys

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[I]psst, i'm actually a classical liberal, I just like how trump sticks it to the sjws, man[/I]

[Fulcrum]

[QUOTE=Crumpet;52865095]
[I]psst, i'm actually a classical liberal, I just like how trump sticks it to the sjws, man[/I][/QUOTE]

Or clowns like Stefan Molyneux

Claiming to be libertarian and that they hate government but getting a boner over authoritarianism and Trump, literally only liking the very worse the state has to offer. I honestly pity anybody stupid enough to think like that

[Download]

There are a lot of cunts out there who label themselves libertarians (and variants) but are actually authoritarian right winger attempting to rebrand themselves. Those Tea Party wankers come to mind.

[Riller]

[QUOTE=zakedodead;52861072]What? If wars aren't something you're sure of and don't "really matter to them" then it's really something to be attacked over. Just because trump is VERY much worse doesn't excuse the iraq wars.[/QUOTE]

Did you intentionally misunderstand my post? What I'm saying is that neither Bush, when asked what thing he did he's most proud of, would say 'Iraq war'. [I]At best[/I], they probably consider it a necessary evil of the time. Which makes it a fucking ridiculous thing to attack someone over if you actually want to make petty jabs, which is what Trump seems to enjoy the most.

[Archangel125]

Mirroring Obama's joke at the WH Correspondents' dinner, at least Bush Sr. and Jr, while deeply disliked, won't have their entire presidency remembered as a brief but colossal mistake.

[Sgman91]

[QUOTE=archangel125;52865085]The funny thing is that dems used to be more left than they are today. Then the Citizens United ruling happened in 2010.[/QUOTE]

I don't buy this. Listen to a JFK speech and it sounds like a modern day republican.

[Splash Attack]

[QUOTE=sgman91;52867846]I don't buy this. Listen to a JFK speech and it sounds like a modern day republican.[/QUOTE]

The difference is that Republicans split people on Social issues in the 70's and adopted the Goldwater/Reagan neoliberal ecomonic policies around the same time. The [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy"]Southern Strategy[/URL] allowed for Republicans to court the previously strongly Democratic South to their side using a frankly racist position on Civil Rights. This combined with some [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism#United_States"]fuckery starting as early as Nixon's administration[/URL] to adopt neoliberal policies that were reinforced by the Cold War's anticommunist propaganda in the Reagan era pulled the democratic party to the right with them.

After World War II and before all this, Keynesian economics was [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynesian_economics#Postwar_Keynesianism"]pretty much universally accepted[/URL] among both parties. Richard Nixon even considered himself to be Keynesian. The resurgence of neoliberalism brought both parties to the right, as far as economics is concerned.