Biden: Obama Might Use Executive Order to Deal With Guns - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39157793]Right, and a single person in a country somehow has greater sway then somebody outside it, no matter the information they both have access to?[/QUOTE] I can tell you right now about America right now than you can learn from someone who wrote things down a hundred years years ago about a hundred years ago America because what is written is locked and finite, where as you can ask me anything infinite about modern America.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39157793]Right, and a single person in a country somehow has greater sway then somebody outside it, no matter the information they both have access to?[/QUOTE] Yes. Knowing things about a country doesn't really make you think how the majority of people in that country think, how their culture works, how important it is to them, etc. Japan would be a blatant example. We do know a lot of things about it, but from an outsider's perspective their mentality is borderline alien. On a lesser scale, we have the majority of Brits failing to grasp how a gun culture even works.

Fuck you Obama if you actually do this

[QUOTE=jimhowl33t;39158505]Yes. Knowing things about a country doesn't really make you think how the majority of people in that country think, how their culture works, how important it is to them, etc. Japan would be a blatant example. We do know a lot of things about it, but from an outsider's perspective their mentality is borderline alien. On a lesser scale, we have the majority of Brits failing to grasp how a gun culture even works.[/QUOTE] Hang on, if this was the case, then why do Anthropologists bother studying people if they can't understand that culture. Human cultures aren't that unique.

Like seriously there is next to no proof on their side of the fence other than fear mongering it is really pathetic how transparent a lot of it is. [editline]9th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;39158807]Hang on, if this was the case, then why do Anthropologists bother studying people if they can't understand that culture. Human cultures aren't that unique.[/QUOTE] Just cause you can look at it from the outside doesn't mean you fully understand it or feel it. Cmon now isn't that obvious?

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39158807]Hang on, if this was the case, then why do Anthropologists bother studying people if they can't understand that culture. Human cultures aren't that unique.[/QUOTE] They will have a certain understanding, yes. But not as much as if they lived in it themselves. Just because they won't reach the same level doesn't mean they won't understand at all.

Status from one of my redneckish friends: [quote]Seeing as how Obama is an executive order kind of president and like to use that to get his way, and he plans to use an executive order to "deal with guns". After he's done burning the bill of rights and the constitution its likely his next executive order will to change the national anthem to the Nazi Germany National Athem[/quote]

I really don't like this executive order thing.

[QUOTE=Aman VII;39158813] Just cause you can look at it from the outside doesn't mean you fully understand it or feel it. Cmon now isn't that obvious?[/QUOTE] Well no, because this is implying there is something that you cannot actually measure or define with any proper methodology. [editline]9th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;39158834]They will have a certain understanding, yes. But not as much as if they lived in it themselves. Just because they won't reach the same level doesn't mean they won't understand at all.[/QUOTE] Right, so what's stopping some guy from understanding a culture better than the people in that culture do?

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39158914]Well no, because this is implying there is something that you cannot actually measure or define with any proper methodology. [editline]9th January 2013[/editline] Right, so what's stopping some guy from understanding a culture better than the people in that culture do?[/QUOTE] So as an example you are saying you can know and relate exactly to how a radical muslim person feels who has been brought up in that environment for their entire life just by deciding to think like that? Lol no.

Execute order 66

[QUOTE=Aman VII;39158952]So as an example you are saying you can know and relate exactly to how a radical muslim person feels who has been brought up in that environment for their entire life just by deciding to think like that? Lol no.[/QUOTE] No but you can study their culture and understand it pretty well once given enough research and time.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39159007]No but you can study their culture and understand it pretty well once given enough research and time.[/QUOTE] I doubt anyone here is a major or degreed in anthropology for America culture, let alone gun culture.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;39159025]I doubt anyone here is a major or degreed in anthropology for America culture, let alone gun culture.[/QUOTE] Especially not sobotnik hehe

[QUOTE=Aman VII;39159031]Especially not sobotnik hehe[/QUOTE] But he understands Americans better than Americans do :v:

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;39159025]I doubt anyone here is a major or degreed in anthropology for America culture, let alone gun culture.[/QUOTE] Except dismissing views of it based on "you're a foreigner you don't understand" isn't really a valid argument. It assumes that foreigners inherently have something in them that prevents them from being critical of another culture.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39159071]Except dismissing views of it based on "you're a foreigner you don't understand" isn't really a valid argument. It assumes that foreigners inherently have something in them that prevents them from being critical of another culture.[/QUOTE] But honestly I think that really fits you. You're a foreigner and don't seem to grasp the mentality of American gun culture and the patriotism surrounding it [editline]9th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Marbalo;39159082]Lol yes. It's called putting yourself in other peoples shoes. It's very easy to do so, you just need to let go of your ego and your preconceived notions for a split second to understand why they think so and what led them to hold those feelings and opinions. Consider the environment they were brought up in, and the statistically probable things they may have gone through. It may be a bit harder to understand how people felt in a particular nation 300 years ago, but this is far more simple than that. We're talking about American culture and societal values which are literally paraded around the Western world non-stop. It is not that difficult to put yourself in the shoes of an average, (in this case) firearm owning American. You all act like the U.S is on fucking mars and live by entirely different values than the UK, for example. I think most of you are simply grasping at this tiny, vague "you dont understaaand" notion as a way of dismissing arguments hurled your way.[/QUOTE] So reverting back to the topic at hand, you support this ludicrous bill then?

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;39156706]This would be the stupidest thing Obama could ever possibly do. I have absolutely no doubt that an executive gun ban would cause at the very least riots, and at the worst a civil war.[/QUOTE] Why is this being rated funny? This isn't a joke at all.

[QUOTE=UziXxX;39156619]Biden talked also about taking responsible action. "As the president said, if you're actions result in only saving one life, they're worth taking. But I'm convinced we can affect the well-being of millions of americans and take thousands of people out of harm's way if we act responsibly." [/QUOTE] Sorry Biden. I love you, but this is really bad logic and, if followed through, will result in a slippery slope of banning everything. This is a case where that dumb car argument would actually apply. [b]Every single thing ever[/b] has killed someone. I can't think of an object that couldn't be used to kill someone either accidentally or purposefully.

This will destroy the Democratic party for at least the next decade. He can't be this dense.

[QUOTE=Strider*;39159120]This will destroy the Democratic party for at least the next decade. He can't be this dense.[/QUOTE] At best, it'll put the dems on almost level ground with the GOP. Not destroy, though.

[QUOTE=Aman VII;39159083]But honestly I think that really fits you. You're a foreigner and don't seem to grasp the mentality of American gun culture and the patriotism surrounding it[/QUOTE] Except I understand the background of where it came from, and why it is important to some Americans. It doesn't prevent me from criticizing it however. I find the idea that gun owner rates correlate with political freedoms a laughable one.

[QUOTE=Aman VII;39159083]So reverting back to the topic at hand, you support this ludicrous bill then?[/QUOTE] What bill?

[QUOTE=King Tiger;39159160]What bill?[/QUOTE] Derp, got my hundreds of gun argument threads mixed up. I guess I'm assuming the executive order would involve banning 'assault weapons' along the lines of what the Feinstein cunt wants

[QUOTE=Aman VII;39158952]So as an example you are saying you can know and relate exactly to how a radical muslim person feels who has been brought up in that environment for their entire life just by deciding to think like that? Lol no.[/QUOTE] You don't need to understand how someone else came to think a certain way to be critical of how they think.

[QUOTE=Strider*;39159105]Why is this being rated funny? This isn't a joke at all.[/QUOTE] I found it hilarious. Trust me, most people won't give two shits. I mean, there was this big thing about "oh the IRS/gay marriage/federal reserve/obama/etc" and you had things like gun sales skyrocket after Obama took office. However, not really anything happened. People got on with their lives as though that day was like any other.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;39159216]I do support, however, the neutralization of the American gun culture. I see absolutely no upsides to it, and the risk such a culture brings outweighs the only trait it provides; "people like shooting stuff".[/QUOTE] Quantify the risks in a way that hasn't been thoroughly countered please.

[QUOTE=Megafan;39159239]You don't need to understand how someone else came to think a certain way to be critical of how they think.[/QUOTE] Sobotnik has stated he immediately thinks of gun owners as dumb rednecks. Perhaps one can understand another's culture and be critical of it, but it's clear this is not the case for Sobotnik.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39159271]I mean, there was this big thing about "oh the IRS/gay marriage/federal reserve/obama/etc" and you had things like gun sales skyrocket after Obama took office. However, not really anything happened. People got on with their lives as though that day was like any other.[/QUOTE] Those aren't relatable to gun control. People in the United States don't care as much about gays marrying as they do about their firearms. The relative difference in outrage between the two is like a grain of sand to a boulder. Guns are deeply ingrained into our culture and revolution is in our blood. Perhaps you'd know that if you were from here, but it seems you really don't understand. Complete gun control (of-course not relevant) would most certainly lead to revolution.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;39159296]Sobotnik has stated he immediately thinks of gun owners as dumb rednecks. Perhaps one can understand another's culture and be critical of it, but it's clear this is not the case for Sobotnik.[/QUOTE] I said that the attempted revolution would consist of that demographic. The sensible ones would sit at home playing games or watching the telly.