Toddlers in America have accidentally shot one person a week in 2015 - Polidicks

If every family in America had an armed guard living in their home senseless tragedies like this wouldn't happen.

[QUOTE=Srillo;48943937]If every family in America had an armed guard living in their home senseless tragedies like this wouldn't happen.[/QUOTE] These jokes are getting old.

Remember folks, gun's don't kill people, toddlers kill people.

[QUOTE=Srillo;48943937]If every family in America had an armed guard living in their home senseless tragedies like this wouldn't happen.[/QUOTE] If every person thought before saying something, posts like this wouldn't happen. "Cars don't kill people, drunk drivers kill people." Now say that sarcastically.

[QUOTE=catbarf;48943896]Flagdog says you're Australian. Let's have a look at Australia for a second. Factoring in population differences (319 million vs 23 million), and drawing from the statistic of [URL="http://www.bobinoz.com/blog/12250/australias-most-dangerous-animals-a-decade-of-death/"]254 animal-related deaths in the last 10 years[/URL] in Australia, and extrapolating the 15 deaths due to toddlers to a whole year, the net conclusion is that as an Australian you are just under [B]twenty times[/B] more likely to be killed by Australian wildlife than an American is to be shot by a toddler. What steps has your country taken to limit the danger posed by horses? So far in the US there have been [URL="http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/fatalities.shtml"]26 lightning deaths this year[/URL]. An American is just under twice as likely to be struck and killed by lightning as they are to be shot and killed by a toddler. What steps has our country taken to limit the danger posed by lightning? Last year [URL="http://oli.org/about-us/news/collisions-casulties"]269 Americans[/URL] died at railroad crossings. What steps has our country taken to limit the danger posed by railroad crossings? It wouldn't take much to reduce this number, just put up better barriers, but we generally accept that getting hit by a train at a railroad crossing is caused by gross negligence and isn't a significant source of death. These shootings caused by toddlers are needless deaths caused by gross irresponsibility with firearms and any gun owner who leaves easily-accessible, loaded firearms within reach of unsupervised children is an idiot inviting completely preventable tragedy. I'm 100% for more public awareness about this issue and greater liability on the part of gun owners for damage caused by their guns being misused. But don't make this issue out to be more than it is, it really is a statistically insignificant source of death.[/QUOTE] Wildlife is a part of the natural world that we encroach upon, as is lightning. Deaths resulting from railroad crossing accidents usually happen to those who cause them in the first place, while accidents involving firearms can affect those around the person who caused the accident, as the statistic in the article shows. None of the cases you mention are remotely comparable to deaths due to mishandling of firearms. In any case, just because something is an insignificant cause of death doesn't mean that we should ignore it.

[QUOTE=Passing;48943492]Protection from what? Its not like there are murders living in every house on their street.[/QUOTE] Anything. Roving burglars, bears, gangbangers, hard to tell really.

[QUOTE=abcpea;48943787]"These things just happen" -Person from only country where this happens[/QUOTE] Seven thousand people die here daily.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;48944032]Deaths resulting from railroad crossing accidents usually happen to those who cause them in the first place, while accidents involving firearms can affect those around the person who caused the accident, as the statistic in the article shows. [/QUOTE] The people who get shot by toddlers are almost always their parents, the ones who didn't lock up the guns in the first place. There's a direct causal relationship between providing easy access to guns and getting shot by children, so both the mistake and the results are on the same person. That's not always the case, you're right. That's why I said I'm in favor of greater liability for damage caused by improperly securing guns. [QUOTE=Headhumpy;48944032]In any case, just because something is an insignificant cause of death doesn't mean that we should ignore it.[/QUOTE] No, not at all, and like I said I support increased awareness of this issue. But these things do 'just happen'- people die for stupid reasons that could be prevented, and in this case it's so extraordinarily rare it's statistically negligible. There are a hundred stupid, preventable ways to die that every year account for more deaths than armed toddlers, but nobody seems to care about lightning PSAs or mandating safety handles in bathtubs. If you want to help prevent needless deaths in general then I'm all for that, but in that case let's start with the bigger offenders- not specific statistically negligible sources of death, treating them like grave societal ill wildly out of proportion to their actual effects. Non-Americans make fun of the way we've treated terrorism, with people being deathly afraid of terrorists despite the fact that in America you're more likely to be killed by a dog than by a terrorist. It's the same deal. Take some reasonable and proportional responses to the statistically small threat. Don't blow things out of proportion because the threat itself is wildly sensational and emotional.

I cant tell which posts are actually serious anymore

Something ironic about idiots who buy guns to "protect their kids" and then just leave the fucking things out in places where their kids can get it. It's like people want the security of the gun, but not needing to secure the gun itself. You'd think any responsible parent who wants a firearm for protection, would get a safe or lock box to put the gun in before actually purchasing the gun itself. It's easy for places like the UK to tell America to give up guns, when they only had 160k firearms turned in by 57k people in 96'. Let's compare that number directly to the US, which has over 400 million firearms, owned by roughly 1/3 of the population, which exceeds 100 million. How are you expecting these people to give up their firearms, let alone to a police force which rolls around in APC's and wears military armor and camo, and is known to use excessive force from time to time? Also fuck Hillary since she's mentioned in the article.

[QUOTE=BANNED USER;48944468] Also fuck Hillary since she's mentioned in the article.[/QUOTE] Hillary is a clueless idiot who wants to make laws based on personal beliefs.

[QUOTE=Leestons;48943573]Protection against what? It seems like Americans shoot each other more than people who actually need to be shot.[/QUOTE] This is exactly the case. Statistics have been compiled by plenty of organizations and institutions, including [url=http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/]Harvard's T.H. Chan School of Public Health[/url], for years now that show firearms here in the United States aren't actually used as much for defensive purposes as they are to threaten and intimidate for purely offensive purposes. But again, a lot of people in this country don't give a shit, and that's because large number of Americans are oblivious to using sense when it comes to guns. You've got the pro-gun crowd that wants to continue arming everybody "because the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" (even though civilians with guns rarely prevent shootings; usually, it's the police or other security officials who take them out), the anti-gun crowd that wants to ban them all immediately (which just isn't feasible)... And then there's people like me who own some very basic firearms, don't feel a need to bring up the fact that we own guns continuously (nor do we feel the need to shoot them all the goddamned time like way too many people do), avoid humans when they can be avoided (so there's not a need for self-defense), and honestly don't give a shit if everyone else out there wants to pack and kill each other off like it's the Wild West c.1870 again. I mean personally I think it's a tragedy that this many innocent people are needlessly dying like this, but the majority of people that live here in this country don't, so nothing is going to change. Things will only change when they get sick of it all and decide they want them to; a lot do already, but not enough overall do yet.

[quote]In 2015 there has been at least one shooting by a toddler a week in the US. Hillary Clinton highlighted the issue during this week's Democrat debate. “I think that we have to look at the fact that we lose 90 people a day from gun violence,” she said. “This has gone on too long and it's time the entire country stood up against the NRA.”[/quote] So wait, you're telling me this article is using quotes from a shill as source material? Nothing really here to see here folks; just your average daily dosage of some good ol' fear mongering. Hillary Clinton... pfffffft. That's a fucking good one right there :v:

[QUOTE=Passing;48943492]Protection from what? Its not like there are murders living in every house on their street.[/QUOTE] The US has a shit ton of violent crime, and the Supreme Court has ruled that police departments have no duty to protect citizens from criminals. If the cops don't have my back, I better have my own!

as a point of comparison, Chicago, a city with some of the most restrictive gun laws in the USA, clocks about 8 murders per week.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;48943850]Name one country where someone getting shot by a toddler would not get reported.[/QUOTE] The Congo

[QUOTE=kurgan;48944962]as a point of comparison, Chicago, a city with some of the most restrictive gun laws in the USA, clocks about 8 murders per week.[/QUOTE] Same with Baltimore, Detroit, New Orleans, etc etc

[QUOTE=Jarokwa;48944002]the whole gun debate looks so retarded from the outside[/QUOTE] Man you sure are smarter than everyone here.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48944525]Hillary is a clueless idiot who wants to make laws based on personal beliefs.[/QUOTE] isnt that politics though? if i believe something should be done in a certain way and some others do too, they vote for a person with those beliefs too.

[QUOTE=kurgan;48944962]as a point of comparison, Chicago, a city with some of the most restrictive gun laws in the USA, clocks about 8 murders per week.[/QUOTE] Which is thanks to gang activity. Most the murders in Chicago have nothing to do with conventional homicides (I mean one person deciding to get up one day and murder another person, usually someone they know intimately, for some reason or another). It's the same story here in Missouri with St. Louis, and we don't have restrictive gun laws at all. [editline]20th October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=agentfazexx;48945001]Same with Baltimore, Detroit, New Orleans, etc etc[/QUOTE] Again, Baltimore and Detroit have gang problems. New Orleans I'm not familiar with; however, the state of Louisiana as a whole is one of the worst states in the Union for gun violence overall, and it's actually pretty permissive with its gun laws (which isn't surprising, considering, you know, it's fucking Louisiana-- in the Deep South United States).

[QUOTE=Govna;48945181]Which is thanks to gang activity. Most the murders in Chicago have nothing to do with conventional homicides (I mean one person deciding to get up one day and murder another person, usually someone they know intimately, for some reason or another). It's the same story here in Missouri with St. Louis, and we don't have restrictive gun laws at all. [editline]20th October 2015[/editline] Again, Baltimore and Detroit have gang problems. New Orleans I'm not familiar with; however, the state of Louisiana as a whole is one of the worst states in the Union for gun violence overall, and it's actually pretty permissive with its gun laws (which isn't surprising, considering, you know, it's fucking Louisiana-- in the Deep South United States).[/QUOTE] Gangs or not, homicidal lunatics get guns (usually) the same way gang members do.

Out of 318 million, with a good chunk of that being low income and wrapped up in shitty cultures, I'm really surprised this isn't higher. I mean.. Have some of you not seen some of the parenting from around here? We got toddlers acting like Elmur Fudd and fucking Suge Knight with parents that couldn't give less of a fuck about how to store the 3+ guns in their house. Not sure how many videos and photos I've seen with terrible parents taking pictures of their toddlers holding drugs or guns.

[QUOTE]“I think that we have to look at the fact that we lose 90 people a day from gun violence,” she said. “[B]This has gone on too long and it's time the entire country stood up against the NRA.[/B]”[/QUOTE] I hate to be crass, but it seriously seems like the people who say stuff like this are retarded. Sure, everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but seriously? Stand up against the NRA? Injuries that happen from guns and toddlers are from stupid people/terrible accidents. It's as if they'd blame an axe for killing someone, not the person. It's a horribly stupid argument.

[QUOTE=.Vel;48945301]I hate to be crass, but it seriously seems like the people who say stuff like this are retarded. Sure, everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but seriously? Stand up against the NRA? Injuries that happen from guns and toddlers are from stupid people/terrible accidents. It's as if they'd blame an axe for killing someone, not the person. It's a horribly stupid argument.[/QUOTE] Everyone wants a scapegoat. So they go to the NRA and SAF and tell them to fuck off, when they have nothing to do with, and want nothing to do with, violent crime.

Fucking toddlers. First the "No" stage, then the handgun stage. Fuckers.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48944525]Hillary is a clueless idiot who wants to make laws based on personal beliefs.[/QUOTE] *Hillary is a clueless idiot who wants to make laws based on who's paying her and whatever she thinks will get her elected She doesn't have personal beliefs, she's a flip flopping careerist shill.

[QUOTE=Amplar;48945466]Fucking toddlers. First the "No" stage, then the handgun stage. Fuckers.[/QUOTE] They grow up so fast.

"Kids and guns go together well, as long as they keep safety in mind."

[QUOTE=kurgan;48944962]as a point of comparison, Chicago, a city with some of the most restrictive gun laws in the USA, clocks about 8 murders per week.[/QUOTE] Meanwhile, Vermont has some of the most relaxed gun laws, but some of the least gun violence. Or like in Canada where the gun laws are the same but nobody shoots each other. There's way more important factors in gun crime than just how easy it is to get a gun. It's a broader societal and cultural issue. It's more because of wealth inequality, racial tensions, mental health, bad education, and many of the other pillars of American society. Although, I do think it's way too easy to get guns in parts of the US, and the NRA has way too much power. It's not a black and white issue basically.

The amount of gun owners with no concept of firearm safety is alarming, people like this are only hurting the reputation of gun owners in a country divided between gun control and gun rights.