Steven came to school with marks on his neck and back and they were not allow for girls to call the home or for them to give out their number or to play sports.And they were not allow to watch T.V.They always had to work and never got to be kids. One of the boys came to school with a black eye and fat lip.Then he told the kids he fell . Come on fat lip,black eye. The kids said this doesnt sound like Steven at all. I feel bad for these kids and I hope they are not placed back in that home.
Thats what he had to deal with, murder may not be a solution, but its really hard to call the cops when your foster parents are real great friends with them.
[QUOTE=Chi Chi;16511358]Steven came to school with marks on his neck and back and they were not allow for girls to call the home or for them to give out their number or to play sports.And they were not allow to watch T.V.They always had to work and never got to be kids. One of the boys came to school with a black eye and fat lip.Then he told the kids he fell . Come on fat lip,black eye. The kids said this doesnt sound like Steven at all. I feel bad for these kids and I hope they are not placed back in that home.
Thats what he had to deal with, murder may not be a solution, but its really hard to call the cops when your foster parents are real great friends with them.[/QUOTE]
What point are you trying to get across here, that murder wasn't the right solution, but the only one?
You're wrong.
[QUOTE=Druchii;16501730]What the hell drives people to do this kind of shit? :frown:[/QUOTE]
thats the million dollar question, my friend.
No murder wasn't the only option, but this is so sad. Its a double edged sword. If a child is living in such unhappiness, sometimes you mentally can not take anymore! Yet there is no excuse for taking someones life, yet when you are so depressed and living in such turmoil within yourself, I believe you truly, at times, do not have full control of your own actions; only until your actions have been carried out do you come back to life and realize the aweful act you have done.
[QUOTE=Chi Chi;16511461]No murder wasn't the only option, but this is so sad. Its a double edged sword. If a child is living in such unhappiness, sometimes you mentally can not take anymore! Yet there is no excuse for taking someones life, yet when you are so depressed and living in such turmoil within yourself, I believe you truly, at times, do not have full control of your own actions; only until your actions have been carried out do you come back to life and realize the aweful act you have done.[/QUOTE]
Like I've said before - More could have been done to help this child.
Yes, he did not have control of his own actions, but that's what makes him dangerous.
Because he did this and lost control once, which I would have done at least a year before (lost control i mean) makes him oh so scary and dangerous? Lets put you in those conditions and see how you do. Will it make you dangerous too?
So let me get this straight Chi Chi.. Instead of just following the crowd like what all the other depressed faggot teens do (Which is called suicide) he decides to be a dick and take someone else's left? Jeez if he wanted to end this he could have just killed himself.
I'm no fan of suicide, but its better him deciding to take his own life cause its so shitty rather than him deciding to take another.
Oh and I get the feeling we're be trolled, and you're not really his friend. I mean how did you find his forum all of a sudden? It says you just joined today. And that you're 20.. While this kid was 15.. So how you were 'close friends' I don't really know. I mean its possible, but I don't know.
[QUOTE=Chi Chi;16511514]Because he did this and lost control once, which I would have done at least a year before (lost control i mean) makes him oh so scary and dangerous? Lets put you in those conditions and see how you do. Will it make you dangerous too?[/QUOTE]
He's not in a prison (well, yet), if he was able to go to public school he was able to get/receive help properly. Yes he is dangerous.
this faggot needs to rot in a jail cell for the rest of his life. I wish i could visit and just spit in his face for taking his own brother's life. what a fucking pathetic piece of shit.
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chi chi is a stupid bitch. the fact that he was under abusive conditions doesn't give him the right to kill anyone. he does need to be locked up because he is a psychopath and doesn't have self control. people who can't control themselves are a threat to society and need to be kept away from the rest of everyone that is sane.
[QUOTE=lum1naire;16511542]So let me get this straight Chi Chi.. Instead of just following the crowd like what all the other depressed faggot teens do (Which is called suicide) he decides to be a dick and take someone else's left? Jeez if he wanted to end this he could have just killed himself.
I'm no fan of suicide, but its better him deciding to take his own life cause its so shitty rather than him deciding to take another.[/QUOTE]
After he did this? Do you know know what he tried to do? he tried to kill himself he did, but he didn't want to let someone down, by doing that... Even though shes still so upset about what he did, she would be so much worse if he was dead as well. Think about how it effects other people who knew him, and loved him. He always thought about everyone around him before making a huge decision like suicide. And to be honest im betting probably everything i own and i will own that he is regretting this so much right now its not even funny.
[QUOTE=Chi Chi;16511608]He always thought about everyone around him before making a huge decision[/QUOTE]
except when he killed his brother and attacked his stepdad and other brothers
[QUOTE=Chi Chi;16511608]After he did this? Do you know know what he tried to do? he tried to kill himself he did, but he didn't want to let someone down, by doing that... Even though shes still so upset about what he did, she would be so much worse if he was dead as well. Think about how it effects other people who knew him, and loved him. He always thought about everyone around him before making a huge decision like suicide. And to be honest im betting probably everything i own and i will own that he is regretting this so much right now its not even funny.[/QUOTE]
I'm huge on anti-suicide. Suicide is for pricks who don't care or love anybody else because they don't think about how it would affect other people around them. They're selfish assholes who cause nothing but pain. The fact that he tried is enough. He wasn't in his right mind then and someone should have turned him in. He would have gotten the help he needed in an institution.
[QUOTE=lum1naire;16511542]So let me get this straight Chi Chi.. Instead of just following the crowd like what all the other depressed faggot teens do (Which is called suicide) he decides to be a dick and take someone else's left? Jeez if he wanted to end this he could have just killed himself.
I'm no fan of suicide, but its better him deciding to take his own life cause its so shitty rather than him deciding to take another.
Oh and I get the feeling we're be trolled, and you're not really his friend. I mean how did you find his forum all of a sudden? It says you just joined today. And that you're 20.. While this kid was 15.. So how you were 'close friends' I don't really know. I mean its possible, but I don't know.[/QUOTE]
I'm not 20 to tell you that, and i live in the town that he went to school in I've known him for 2 years, I've had so many fun times with that kid I love him to death, and he writes the most amazing poetry, and he dated my best friend which his parents found out about, flipped out and made him leave the school. Which started his depression in the first place.
He tried the suicide after commiting the crime because he couldn't live with what he did. because he just broke down and couldn't take what his parents were doing to him. and the reason he didn't think about them is because they didn't care about him.
[QUOTE=Chi Chi;16511707]I'm not 20 to tell you that, and i live in the town that he went to school in I've known him for 2 years, I've had so many fun times with that kid I love him to death, and he writes the most amazing poetry, and he dated my best friend which his parents found out about, flipped out and made him leave the school. Which started his depression in the first place.
He tried the suicide after commiting the crime because he couldn't live with what he did. because he just broke down and couldn't take what his parents were doing to him. and the reason he didn't think about them is because they didn't care about him.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure what you're trying to defend. Yes he was in a fucked situation. Should he have done what he did, no. Would I have acted the same, no I wouldn't have. I would have been able to get help for myself. Different people react to situations differently; The way he reacted was unnacceptable.
[QUOTE=Xynn;16511909]I'm not sure what you're trying to defend. Yes he was in a fucked situation. Should he have done what he did, no. Would I have acted the same, no I wouldn't have. I would have been able to get help for myself. Different people react to situations differently; The way he reacted was unnacceptable.[/QUOTE]
Can we guarantee that? Should we but you in the situation to see how long until you crack?
[QUOTE=Chi Chi;16511949]Can we guarantee that? Should we but you in the situation to see how long until you crack?[/QUOTE]
I was just saying what I would have done - discussing it any further than that has no point considering it's impossible for me to be put into his situation. In any case, I would never resort to murder.
No one can guarantee that until they have been in the situations themselves. So obviously you have no idea what you would have done, especially if you can't get any help. Even if you tried.
[QUOTE=Chi Chi;16512022]No one can guarantee that until they have been in the situations themselves. So obviously you have no idea what you would have done, especially if you can't get any help. Even if you tried.[/QUOTE]
I don't care how much of a saint you think your friend was or how bad his situation was, you just don't go around killing people. Stop trying to justify his actions, he's clearly not in his right mind.
[QUOTE=Chi Chi;16512022]No one can guarantee that until they have been in the situations themselves. So obviously you have no idea what you would have done, especially if you can't get any help. Even if you tried.[/QUOTE]
stop trying to defend a murderer. you look stupid.
Shit, I thought they caught me for a second.
Stop feeding the troll people, he has already said that he isn't 20 but on his account page it says he is 20 and even if he wasn't trolling what do you hope to achieve? He obviously is in a state of denial and having someone calling him stupid will just make the process slower.
[QUOTE=iJeax;16512244]Shit, I thought they caught me for a second.[/QUOTE]
have a funny.
[QUOTE=cosmeticplague;16511657]except when he killed his brother and attacked his stepdad and other brothers[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, I really am. This situation is so serious business, but this just made me lol.
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I gave him one to :3
[QUOTE=cosmeticplague;16512265]have [b]A[/b] funny.[/QUOTE]
To bad, I'm taking more then just one! *yoink*
[QUOTE=lum1naire;16512342]I'm sorry, I really am. This situation is so serious business, but this just made me lol.
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I gave him one to :3[/QUOTE]
:3 yay
[QUOTE=lum1naire;16511542]So let me get this straight Chi Chi.. Instead of just following the crowd like what all the other depressed faggot teens do (Which is called suicide) he decides to be a dick and take someone else's left? Jeez if he wanted to end this he could have just killed himself.[/QUOTE]
What you just said was insensitive, ignorant, and incredibly offensive to a great number of people. You treat this as if there were only 2 options; death to the boy, or to others. Suicide and murder are ALWAYS preventable.
There are 2 ways of expressing complete depression and rage; internally (suicide) and externally (murder).
Both are completely preventable. Chi Chi is not justifying the murder, he's giving the motives. This boy was pushed WAY beyond what a normal human should ever face, and expressed his rage externally.
Sadly, this is something that happens all too often nowadays.
[QUOTE=SteeleCratos;16512582]Sadly, this is something that happens all too often nowadays.[/QUOTE]
I told them I'd murder em' if they didn't give back me lucky charms, but they didn't listen.
[QUOTE=SantanaDVX;16512541]What you just said was insensitive, ignorant, and incredibly offensive to a great number of people. You treat this as if there were only 2 options; death to the boy, or to others. Suicide and murder are ALWAYS preventable.
There are 2 ways of expressing complete depression and rage; internally (suicide) and externally (murder).
Both are completely preventable. Chi Chi is not justifying the murder, he's giving the motives. This boy was pushed WAY beyond what a normal human should ever face, and expressed his rage externally.[/QUOTE]
Are you fucking stupid? Read what I said. Read it god dammit. I in NO WAY said that he SHOULD have taken his motherfucking life. I'm pretty sure I even stated that I am AGAINST suicide altogether. But taking someone else's life to fix things is even worse than taking his own. Nice job only quoting part of my post, really. Jesus Christ, of course they're preventable. But when you're ready to [highlight]murder[/highlight] someone, you're just a fucking coward. I don't care how much you hate them. If you really want to do something because its so bad, kill yourself instead.
Great number of people.. Facepunch.. right lol.
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[QUOTE=iJeax;16512617]I told them I'd murder em' if they didn't give me my lucky charms back.. But they didn't listen.[/QUOTE]
silly rabbit trix are for kids
[QUOTE=lum1naire;16512647]Are you fucking stupid? Read what I said. Read it god dammit. I in NO WAY said that he SHOULD have taken his motherfucking life. I'm pretty sure I even stated that I am AGAINST suicide altogether. But taking someone else's life to fix things is even worse than taking his own. Nice job only quoting part of my post, really. Jesus Christ, of course they're preventable. But when you're ready to [highlight]murder[/highlight] someone, you're just a fucking coward. I don't care how much you hate them. If you really want to do something because its so bad, kill yourself instead.
Great number of people.. Facepunch.. right lol.
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silly rabbit trix are for kids[/QUOTE]
I did read it and I thought you were saying that there were no other options BUT murder or suicide. He shouldn't have murdered, that's inexcusable.
However, I put murder and suicide right next to each other on the morally wrong scale. People who take their own lives are murderers in a sense.
And I only quoted part of your post because it was the only part that applied.
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