[QUOTE=SantanaDVX;16512781]I did read it and I thought you were saying that there were no other options BUT murder or suicide. He shouldn't have murdered, that's inexcusable.
However, I put murder and suicide right next to each other on the morally wrong scale. People who take their own lives are murderers in a sense.
And I only quoted part of your post because it was the only part that applied.[/QUOTE]
Well you misunderstood my post then. And god dammit you're supposed to flame rudely back. No I didn't say suicide and murder were his only options, I just feel suicide was a less cowardly (an act of cowardice it still remains) act than murder. That's all. Their both near equally morally wrong. Of course I don't understand what sort of shit he's been through, nor will I ever probably. But murder just seems way to fucking wrong.
I mean for all we know (probably not) he could have chosen this over suicide just because he knew he may be able to get off easier being a minor, and once out of jail the burden of his parents and brother gone. Sadly he'll still be walking in public labeled as a murder.
That's taking into consideration that what Chi Chi says is true and not a troll.
tl;dr I view suicide and murder as morally wrong both on pretty high scale. However I feel suicide is less of a cowardice act than taking the life of another. You have no right to take that life, but I see it that you do (even if you aren't supposed to) have some extent over the control of your own life. That means control over ending it to.
I understand your logic and it seems very reasonable.
Sorry for any misunderstandings.
[QUOTE=SantanaDVX;16512987]I understand your logic and it seems very reasonable.
Sorry for any misunderstandings.[/QUOTE]
Have a friendly.
[QUOTE=Chi Chi;16511461]No murder wasn't the only option, but this is so sad. Its a double edged sword. If a child is living in such unhappiness, sometimes you mentally can not take anymore! Yet there is no excuse for taking someones life, yet when you are so depressed and living in such turmoil within yourself, I believe you truly, at times, do not have full control of your own actions; only until your actions have been carried out do you come back to life and realize the aweful act you have done.[/QUOTE]
According to the troll Chi Chi, The whole family was abused by the parents or some shit like that and they came to school all beat up and hurt right along with the retarded murderer kid right?
Then why the fuck did he try to kill them too, Sounds like he was some dipshit kid craving attention and he felt that the more people he killed the more attention he would receive. In fact, Living an unhappy life means that you should be able to murder people who could be enjoying there own life because you are some selfish fucktard?
In my opinion, The kid should just be killed so that we can all move on. He is a murderer but he really has no reasons in my opinion to have attacked his family.
The kids a goof, let me take him out.
Let me clear some things up. I went to school with this kid, and I made an account here after reading this thread. If for some reason somebody doesnt believe me I can verify it (lol) I have the yearbook to prove it. I had a class with this kid this year before he transferred schools. He seemed like the kind of kid who was smart but never really tried hard. It was easy to tell he had a temper too. But really he was not a bad kid, we talked a little bit from time to time and he seemed like a nice enough person. Something really bad mustve been going on at home for this to happen, because I would not have guessed it to be him to do somethign like this. He was not a "freak", he didnt talk shit about people all the time, he was just a normal kid.
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[QUOTE=Valdor;16514205]In my opinion, The kid should just be killed so that we can all move on. He is a murderer but he really has no reasons in my opinion to have attacked his family.[/QUOTE]
No reason? Im not supporting his decision in anyway, but Im pretty sure this whole situation is happening due to the fact that his family treated him like shit. That could be a reason.
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One of the people he injured just died too >.< so facing 2 counts of murder
[QUOTE=Xynn;16510984]Yes, it does. Nobody get's second chances when it comes to a human life. If you can't appreciate the seriousness behind the taking of a person's life, it's just a dangerous way to think. I don't care how well you know someone or how bad someone's temper is, there is no excuse for murder outside of last resort self-defense.[/QUOTE]
How do you know it wasnt self defense? oh thats right YOU DONT! its an OPEN murder charge, meaning they haven't yet decided what degree of murder it was. Steven was abused sexually and verbally and neglected. Have you ever heard of battered woman syndrome? Its when an abused wife can finally take it no longer and she snaps and attacks her husband/boyfriend/fiancee. It doesnt have to be while she is being beaten. And this defens holds up in court. its almost like PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder). And in Steven's case thats pretty much what happened. He took it till he could handle it no longer and he snapped. End of Story.
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[QUOTE=Xynn;16511091]I never made the argument that he was a murdered because he was charged with murder. I don't care what he was charged with, he killed someone. That makes him a murderer. If you were such good friends with him, and his situation was that bad, why didn't you help him out yourself before things got out of hand?[/QUOTE]
We TRIED to help him. We TRIED to get him some help. We CALLED CPS (Child Protective Services)multiple times and so have other people. they did NOTHING.
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[QUOTE=lum1naire;16511542]So let me get this straight Chi Chi.. Instead of just following the crowd like what all the other depressed faggot teens do (Which is called suicide) he decides to be a dick and take someone else's left? Jeez if he wanted to end this he could have just killed himself.
I'm no fan of suicide, but its better him deciding to take his own life cause its so shitty rather than him deciding to take another.
Oh and I get the feeling we're be trolled, and you're not really his friend. I mean how did you find his forum all of a sudden? It says you just joined today. And that you're 20.. While this kid was 15.. So how you were 'close friends' I don't really know. I mean its possible, but I don't know.[/QUOTE]
Why was he depressed? HAve you asked yourself that question? Because of these (and i use this term loosely, they were more like animals) "people"? Why was his life so shitty? Whats the reason he wanted out? You have no idea what the hell went on in this house, in this situatuion so you shouldnt even be talking. Dont talk about what you DONT undersatd
Lot of people who knew this kid seem to like to join now...
[QUOTE=slamex;16520357]Lot of people who knew this kid seem to like to join now...[/QUOTE]
Yeah cuz we want to stand up for steven. we love him.
[QUOTE=morgan-mae<3;16520413]Yeah cuz we want to stand up for steven. we love him.[/QUOTE]
More then the english language I can see.
[QUOTE=slamex;16520458]More then the english language I can see.[/QUOTE]
would you rather have me speak in french. Oui, parce que nous voulons tous défendre trop pour lui. Nous vous aimons tous Steven.
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[QUOTE=Zycos;16512260]Stop feeding the troll people, he has already said that he isn't 20 but on his account page it says he is 20 and even if he wasn't trolling what do you hope to achieve? He obviously is in a state of denial and having someone calling him stupid will just make the process slower.[/QUOTE]
Jeez stop talking shit bout ChiChi. oh and btw, NICHOLE (Chi Chi) is a GIRL.
[QUOTE=morgan-mae<3;16520627]would you rather have me speak in french. Oui, parce que nous voulons tous défendre trop pour lui. Nous vous aimons tous Steven.
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Jeez stop talking shit bout ChiChi. oh and btw, NICHOLE (Chi Chi) is a GIRL.[/QUOTE]
both you and chi chi need to get out. you are defending a stupid, pathetic, loser who killed someone. gtfo. kthxbai
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[QUOTE=morgan-mae<3;16520010]Steven was abused sexually[/QUOTE]
ha ha he got buttraped
So wait wait let me get one motherfucking thing straight that luminaire pointed out
how the fuck did you find FP and this thread exactly?
Because you're trolls.
[QUOTE=morgan-mae<3;16520627]would you rather have me speak in french. Oui, parce que nous voulons tous défendre trop pour lui. Nous vous aimons tous Steven.
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Well since you seem to do better at it, your love for french can be your love for stevo.
[QUOTE=morgan-mae<3;16520010]Steven was abused sexually and verbally and neglected.[/QUOTE]
Did his dad stick it in his pooper?
[QUOTE=Crono*;16521281]So wait wait let me get one motherfucking thing straight that luminaire pointed out
how the fuck did you find FP and this thread exactly?
Because you're trolls.[/QUOTE]
We googled Steven to try and find the date of his trial. But instead we found tons of website just having fun bashing him, saying that he should go die and such.
To the people of Facepunch: this is a news thread. Contribute to the news or gtfo.
[QUOTE=morgan-mae<3;16524824]We googled Steven to try and find the date of his trial. But instead we found tons of website just having fun bashing him, saying that he should go die and such.[/QUOTE]
You actually found this thread through google? RIIIIGHT
Edit: HOLY SHIT nvm. I googled his name (Steven J. Pribbernow) and Facepunch was like 5th result or something...
lmfao
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Jeez stop talking shit bout ChiChi. oh and btw, NICHOLE (Chi Chi) is a GIRL.[/QUOTE]
Jeez sorry I can't magically sense what sex someone is over the internet.
[QUOTE=dot_anthem;16525466]To the people of Facepunch: this is a news thread. Contribute to the news or gtfo.[/QUOTE]
Is for disscussing news. Well, I actually want to hear what does the friends of Steve think about this.
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C'mon, I want his "Friends" to tell their part of the history. I don't know why the are trying to defend a psychopath
[quote=zycos;16525878]jeez sorry i can't magically sense what sex someone is over the internet.[/quote]
Duh! Its a fucking 6th sense on this forum!
[QUOTE=dot_anthem;16491543][url]http://www.ourmidland.com/articles/2009/08/04/police_and_courts/doc4a785125b7c54148800742.txt[/url]
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I knew the 17 year old that was killed, he went to my school and was a year ahead of me. I don't know if Steven Pribbernow is his brother or what. Feels odd to see something like this, my town is an extremely well-to-do town with hardly any crime, so it is really weird to see something like this.[/QUOTE]
What a shame, I am sorry for your loss, i saw this thread then brushed it off until I saw on my local news that this happened in a town 2 hours away from me, I live in Mason county.
Justin is my real son not the adopted parent he lived with .and he called me to let us know his adopted parents were treating him and Steven bad for reasons he did not go into detail on but he wanted us to be proud of him he graduated from hh dow hight school and was going into the marines and was plaining on coming home for the holidays when he was able too.he said he had alot to tell us about his adopted parents but he couldn't well he was living there with them and she was scared for his little brothers as well.Steven isn't his blood brother they were all adopted to that family not by chose by the state .we lost them 6 years ago for lies of the courts .and now look what happen to my sons .1 in prision ,2 injured ,and 1 dead .that makes me very up set .and she even cremated him so i couldn't go to a grave site to visit him either .
[QUOTE=fthndkvn;18311078]Justin is my real son not the adopted parent he lived with .and he called me to let us know his adopted parents were treating him and Steven bad for reasons he did not go into detail on but he wanted us to be proud of him he graduated from hh dow hight school and was going into the marines and was plaining on coming home for the holidays when he was able too.he said he had alot to tell us about his adopted parents but he couldn't well he was living there with them and she was scared for his little brothers as well.Steven isn't his blood brother they were all adopted to that family not by chose by the state .we lost them 6 years ago for lies of the courts .and now look what happen to my sons .1 in prision ,2 injured ,and 1 dead .that makes me very up set .and she even cremated him so i couldn't go to a grave site to visit him either .[/QUOTE]
and you posted this on facepunch?
[QUOTE=dot_anthem;16508963]Update: Just read in the paper today that the 1 17 year old who died was his older biological brother, the 13 and 15 year olds that were injured were step-brothers, and the 32 year old that was injured was his step dad. Its a shame though, the 17 year old just graduated this past year.[/QUOTE]
justin,kevin,kody,and paul are bio brothers not steven
[QUOTE=Mr_Proudfoot;18311163]and you posted this on facepunch?[/QUOTE]
yea i am because i was reading what was being said and i am not happy my son is gone but he dead in vain and it makes me very up set and i need help to get them out of their home before anything else happens to my youngier to they have left.
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Michigan: Tragedy Hits Home with FightCPS Reader Faith Baden’s Children
In Midland, Michigan an adopted child attacked and killed Faith Baden’s son, Justin Baden, age 17, early in August, 2009. Justin and his younger siblings were removed from Faith Baden’s home by CPS and eventually adopted out to Jessica Pribbernow, a Michigan child-collector.
The newspaper reported that Pribbernow had custody of five boys adopted from foster care. The accused, known as Steven Jeffrey Pribbernow Jr., 15, is not the biological brother of the boys he is said to have attacked.
Two others boys, both sons of Faith Baden, were injured severely in the knife attack.
Faith left a number of news articles, emails, and comments on FightCPS yesterday. You can read them here and here.
Faith, my heartfelt sympathy to you on the loss of your son, and prayers for the healing of his younger brothers. We here at FightCPS do understand that your children should not have been separated from their loving parents.
Obviously the child collecting adopters were not capable of keeping the children safe. This is one more sign that the foster-adoption system in this country doesn’t work. I wonder if these children, in particular the one said to be the attacker, were on medications as “special needs” children. Many pharmaceutical medications given to foster and adoptive children are believed to have produced suicidal or homicidal tendencies. One of the emails posted stated that Jessica and her husband were unemployed and living off the adoption subsidy payments received for adopting the boys - a clear indicator that these were probably medicated children.
A fine way our country pretends to keep children safe.
Michigan adoption children foster children
Filed under: CPS, Michigan — LindaJoMartin @ 6:47 pm
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Monday, September 14, 2009
Teen stabbed to death in adoptive home after DHS removed from natural parents
Faith Baden of Iosco County, Michigan had no idea that when she last talked to her son Justin Pribbernow, while he was on a Marines recruitment trip, that it would be the last time she would speak to him. “The hardest part is when I said goodbye to him, I didn't know I was saying goodbye for good.", says Faith. This is not a story about another soldiers death in a foreign land though. Justin died during an attack, allegedly by his brother, 15 year old Steve Pribbernow, which also left two brothers and their adoptive father seriously injured.
Faith Baden had five sons. While married to Paul McBride Jr the first three, Mitchel J McBride, the oldest, Paul (McBride) Pribbernow, and Justin (McBride) Pribbernow were born. The relationship between Faith and Paul deteriorated and they eventually divorced. Paul McBride Jr now lives in Flint, Michigan. Faith describes their relationship as "not good".
Faith is now married to Kevin Baden whom she had two more sons with. They are Kevin (Baden) Pribbernow, age 15, and Kody (Baden) Pribbernow, age 13. However, the youngest four boys were removed from the care of Faith and Kevin after Paul McBride, Jr made an allegation that both Justin and Paul were being sexually abused by Faith. However Social Services found that this allegation was not true. This followed the previous conviction of Doug Bemis for molesting the boys. He is now serving a 43 year term for that abuse.
On May 19, 2004 the Standish Court in Arenac County determined that Faith and Kevin had failed to protect the boys from the abuse and had also allowed Kody to be medically neglected. The boys were adopted by Jessica (Pribbernow) Saylor who is married to Joshua Saylor who was also injured in the attack. In 2006 Jessica divorced from Steve Jeffery Pribbernow and the three youngest boys remained with her. Faith says that is when Jessica went to child welfare officials and ask that they take the children back but was told that she had adopted them and was to provide for their care until they reached the age of 18 years.
Also in the home, prior to the arrival of Faith's sons, was Steve Pribbernow, age 15, whose father had been found stabbed to death in a river. Steve and his mother lived with his grandparents for awhile before they died. Steven then went into the system where he was eventually adopted by the Pribbernows. Jessica (Pribbernow) Saylor and Joshua Saylor had four boys living in the home at the time of the attack.
Jessica Pribbernow may not have been a model parent herself and there is some question as to whether she was fit to parent these children. As Faith tells it Jessica had a criminal record and her application to be a foster parent was denied. But with the help of a state senator, Family Lutheran Adoption Agency of Bay City, Michigan arranged for the adoption of the children.
Jessica had three biological children of her own. Along with Faith's four boys and Steve that made eight children living in the three bedroom home. At the time of Justin's death there were seven children living in the home.
Faith says that Jessica made it difficult for her to have communication with her children, not allowing them to have a telephone and maintaining rigid controls over their lives. She also says that her oldest son Paul had once told her that Justin told him that Jessica had been fondling him.
Although there were no outward indications that this may have been coming, Faith's son Paul had told her that the other children needed to be removed from the Saylor house. There has been no information provided to me that Steven Pribbernow was on any medications but I have been told that his back was recently covered in bruises.
Faith and Kevin Baden had hoped for the return of their children. Although they were hoping to start a custody action some time back the estimated legal costs prevented them from going forward at the time. Faith wants all parents to know that CPS is not interested in doing what is best for children but getting the money for the state. Under Title IV-E of the Social Security Act states get incentive payments to have children taken from their natural parents and placed into an adoptive family.
Kevin and Kody suffered serious injuries in the attack including Kody's loss of some fingers and damage to Kevin's internal organs. Both boys have been released from the hospital and returned to the care of Jessica (Pribbernow) Saylor who apparently failed to protect the children in her care from being killed or seriously injured.
The Badens saw their son Paul, who is age 19, on Sunday 06 September. He told them that he had witnessed Jessica sexually molesting Justin and that she had also molested him with the assistance of Joshua who held him down. In 2006 Jessica accused Paul of molesting her biological daughter and he is currently serving a 56 month prison sentence.
I contacted Jessica Cokar of Midland County DHS and asked her what many are wondering; Why were children removed from their parents based on an allegation that they failed to protect them from sexual abuse and then adopted by someone who then alleges that her child was sexually abused and now has failed to protect one of the children from being stabbed to death and two others seriously injured. To be blunt, do you actually care about children or are you just in it for the federal incentive money?
Ms Cokar was asked for comment on September 4, 2009 but had no comment for this article. Midland County DHS did say this, "The Michigan Department of Human Services appreciates the time you have taken to share your thoughts."
The Baden's were not allowed to attend the funeral of their son and do not even know where he is buried. An officer of the Midland County Sheriff's Department allegedly called the Baden's and told them that they could not attend the funeral. Although the call appeared as "Midland County" on their caller ID, upon returning the call the Baden's were told that the Department knows nothing of it.
The Badens would like for anyone who knows their children to let them know about the condition of their children and to also let their boys know that they want them home and are continuing to fight to bring them home.
Justin Pribbernow was a good student who played football, basketball and was in track. His plans were to enlist in the Marines upon completing high school. His 18th birthday would have been the day the Badens went to visit Paul in prison.
Steven Pribbernow's next court date is scheduled for October.
Open Letter wrote on Nov 13, 2009 11:24 PM:
" My name is Faith Baden, and I am the biological mother of Paul, Justin, Kevin and Kody. I am a good mother and I want my children back. The state of Michigan took them 4 years ago and in doing so, violated our civil rights as well as our children's civil rights. And we want to fight to get them back, but we need help.
We were told that our children wouldn't be taken from us.We were told they would work with us, to keep our children in our home. They had us sign a paper stating they were going to put programs in place, in order for us to keep our children. These programs were never put into place.
Two weeks after cps first came out to our home, we were in court and appeared for the first time in front of a judge. At which time, during this court appearance, without our knowlege, our children were being taken into state custody while they were in school. This happened in Standish, MI on November 7th 2003.
We were told ( felt threatend,) that if we didn't plea to some of the charges against us, that our children would be taken from us for good. And that if we agreed to the plea agreement, they would work with us, so that we could keep our children. But they lied to us. "
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Open Letter Continued wrote on Nov 13, 2009 11:27 PM:
" We didn't hurt our children. My youngest boy received a scratch on his foot that was caused by the chain that my brothers dog was tied up with outside. While I was treating his scratch, his school reported that it was not being properly treated, and reported us to cps.
His foot was healed when we went to court on Nov 7th 2003. The case worker lied to the court and said that it wasn't healed. The doctor that was treating him, sent over a report stating his wound was healed. While we were pleading our case in court for the first time, our children were being taken into state custody without our knowledge.
I love my children very much, and want them back home with me. I am worried about their safety where they are currently staying.
I am asking for your help.
Faith Baden
Biological mother of Paul, Justin,who is now deceased, Kevin and Kody
:bravo:
You bumped a thread from august
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Judge: Midland Co. teen competent to stand trial as adult
By Kelly Dame
Published: Monday, November 2, 2009 11:42 AM EST
The 15-year-old boy charged as an adult in connection with a fatal stabbing that occurred over the summer has been found competent to stand trial.
At a hearing held this morning, Midland County District Court Judge Stephen P. Carras received a copy of a report from the Center for Forensic Psychiatry that states Steven Jeffrey Pribbernow Jr. is competent to stand trial and assist in his own defense.
Pribbernow was charged with one count of open murder and three counts of assault with the intent to commit murder after the stabbing, which occurred on Aug. 4 at 5180 W. McNally Road in Geneva Township. Both open murder and assault with the intent to commit murder are punishable by up to life in prison.
Killed was 17-year-old Justin Steven Pribbernow. Injured were Kody Christopher Pribbernow, 13 1/2; Kevin David Pribbernow, 15; and Joshua Saylor, 32.
Pribbernow’s defense attorney, Dan Duke of Midland, said the results of the forensic examination relating to criminal competency — the ability to be held accountable for the crimes with which he is charged — is not yet complete. Duke also said an independent examination of Pribbernow is nearing completion.
Duke said a preliminary hearing in the case — which is for a judge to decide if there is probable cause to believe a crime was committed and that it was committed by the defendant — has been scheduled for Nov. 23.
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In support of wrote on Nov 2, 2009 2:06 PM:
" I wanted to attend this hearing this morning, but was unable to. Good luck and I hope to be at the other hearing/trials. "
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To Steven wrote on Nov 2, 2009 2:23 PM:
" You're braver than you believe, stronger than you seem, and smarter than you think"
You are just a child. "
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Frankie wrote on Nov 2, 2009 2:58 PM:
" Yes he is a child....a child that has killed another young adult in cold blood.... "
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To Steven wrote on Nov 2, 2009 3:26 PM:
" A child who was pushed and snapped "
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Paul wrote on Nov 2, 2009 3:43 PM:
" regardless of his age his actions caused the death of one person and injured two others, We can;'t afford to take a chance that he will snap again. "
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Boone wrote on Nov 2, 2009 3:53 PM:
" Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. When you kill someone and attempt to kill several others, you have to be responsible for your actions....if you don't know it is wrong to stab someone you shouldn't be out in public. "
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sympathy wrote on Nov 2, 2009 4:52 PM:
" I firmly bleive this child did not know what he was doing.
It's stupid to say "don't do the crime if you can't do the time". Gimme a break. when people snap it means they snapped, have no control.
Yes, killing is wrong. WRONG. but I belive he did not know what he was doing. "
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Gina wrote on Nov 2, 2009 4:55 PM:
" Just wondering how long it will take for them to close up this forum for comments. Probably when the kids get out of school and find out about the story... "
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kimberly wrote on Nov 2, 2009 4:58 PM:
" It is hard enough to be a teenager. 15 is an awkward age. I only HOPE what people are saying about what happened, isn`t true. But so many people are saying the same things. I would HOPE these boys were not abused as people are saying. From the outside, IF any of the things are true(of the abuse) At the age of 15, I guess I`d have to say...how could he not snap? He had no chance at life-IF these things being said are true. Even a small percentage of the sayings. Very sad situation! My heart goes out! A mother has lost her children not only once but twice. And with absolutely no closure. None. Hopefully everyone will get what is deserved here, and no less. There are alot of supporters, and everyone needs to know that. There is alot more to this, that hasn`t come out. I feel truth will be told-if not forced out in the end. whether there was abuse or not, Hopefully our system will not fail us. Whether these people were good, or bad. Truth ALMOST always comes out in the end. It`s going to be a very tough time for EVERYONE involved here from today on-with trials and hearings. "
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ME wrote on Nov 2, 2009 5:02 PM:
" God Bless Him and I hope everything goes well for my brother... I know he did take a life, but I don't believe that gives them a right to take away his, their family has lost enough. he need's to have a chance to be able to make up for his crimes, not just suffer the consequences, he needs a chance for redemption, we all do, but too bad our government never sees' past the crime committed... He's a kid that just snapped in a pressuring situation because he had no one he could turn to for help, obviously our foster care system doesn't pay enough attention to their kids or the homes they put them in, because if they did, he might have had someone to trust... someone that cared enough to notice how he was ripped away from his friends (that he saw as family) only months before... I know him and he wasn't like how our stupid reporters portray...I knew some of his family too, and tho I do support Steven, May Justin Rest In Peace... And May God watch over that family our courts, and our country, because God's all that can help us now. "
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SunnyDaze wrote on Nov 2, 2009 5:03 PM:
" I hope he can get help. Regardless of the whole story he needs help and jails/prisons are not the place to get the kind of help he needs.
I'm hoping these biological parents get what is coming due to them! Too much has been told to not believe a lot of it is true.
PUNISH THEM! Punish them to the fullest for what THEY have done to bring this on. "
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To Me wrote on Nov 2, 2009 5:12 PM:
" You said you are his brother? Are you one of the boys? Or a friend? "
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Angel in the Dark wrote on Nov 2, 2009 5:23 PM:
" I think this is so sad. People contuine to pound the family that took him in. I do not see any of you offering up your home to foster children. If you took the time to know the family you would know that they love their children. I addition they have been ripped to shreds by the media and many people on these comments. They have not only lost one son but two. They have been investigated and no abuse let me repeat no abuse was found in the home. This family has suffered so much by a system that was supposed to protect them also. Do you think they singed of for this when they agreed to do foster care. Nope. No one dose. You should pray for this family and encourage them not bash on them. And for those of you say Steven snapped well people who set their alarm to get up and kill people don't snap. It takes a certain level of planning to want to kill your whole family with a knife. These are very personal crimes. He had to look at each person in the eyes before he stabbed them. Now how dose someone snap when he planned it and had to look at the person in the face "
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Lynn Bainbridge wrote on Nov 2, 2009 5:24 PM:
" Lots of kids are "pushed" beyond their limits. He may have been one of them. The fact that he snapped and commited such a horrendous crime is only proof that he can "snap" again. He should not be left in the general public. Life in prison is appropriate. A 15 year old understands death is a real concept. It is not a video game. "
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ME wrote on Nov 2, 2009 5:30 PM:
" We cant blame all of this on the family, they are going through the loss of not only Justin, but Steven too, there are other kids in that house too, kids younger than Steven that are scared, we cant break up that family any more without doing more damage, they need prayer and help, but not to the extreme of punishment. I hope Steven can get help too but he also has to know the consequences of his actions... he's my friend and I have been writing him, his own words, "i need you to know that i made a terrible mistake, that i would NEVER do again." he is rid with regret because he loved his brother and he made a mistake, he lost control for one moment in time and will never stop feeling horrible, never stop having nightmares, never stop regretting what happened, for the rest of his life. He knows the consequences, and i don't believe jail is going to do him good, but do him worse, he'll want to kill himself by the time they let him out, he needs help, not to be released into the public right away, but just to be helped. and the parents weren't biological, Steven and the some of the other kids were adopted. They were still a family though, a family that's torn beyond repair, so why can't anyone find the heart just to help them, to help the family and help Steven. God Bless their family. "
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ME wrote on Nov 2, 2009 5:32 PM:
" I am not biological, I am just his friend that considers him family.I love him like my brother and therefore I consider him my family. "
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ME wrote on Nov 2, 2009 5:49 PM:
" To Lynn...you think of this in black and white like our government...and do you see where our government is going? Locking someone up that needs help isn't a way to get rid of their problems, it's a way to make them worse. That's what people do these days with things they just dont want to deal with. See the shades of grey in between, and you'll see that our government is blind and doesn't ever see beyond the surface, yes he lost control, but did YOU know him personally? because if so, I dont believe you don have the right to judge him by his actions, look at the world today, actions aren't what define a person but yet they are enough to condemn one. he needs help, not to be locked up. Sure, he needs to be kept out of public for a while, but not in prison. Steven was/is an amazing person, he helped us all like a guardian angel, thats what we called him, he wanted to join the navy, (maybe it was army? im not sure but that dont matter) serve for his country, he wanted to help people, he was a boy that had to see the cruelties of the world at a young age, he lost control, but he needed help and didnt have anyone to turn to. You see him as another problem that our government wants to put away so they dont have to deal with it. he understands death more than most of us, he understands pain, suffering, do you? because im sure that compared to him, you don't. And he didn't play video games. He doesn't need to be condemned so quickly as to not be given a chance at redemption, we all deserve at least that. God Bless. "
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ME wrote on Nov 2, 2009 5:56 PM:
" I just wanted to clarify that though I support Steven as my brother, I also show my support and care for the family, I don't believe what I hear unless I see it for myself and I know some of them enough to say they are good people. But it's the good people bad things always seem to happen to. They don't need us slammin' them OR STEVEN for that matter, on here, they need prayer, at least it's some compensation for the pain they've endured. God Bless Them and Steven, I support and care for both of them. "
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Me wrote on Nov 2, 2009 6:07 PM:
" I do believe he needs help but not at the cost of other people. You say you are his friend and you know the family so how so you think the family feels knowing he may get out someday? Don't you think they are plagued with nightmares or are questioning what they did wrong? I do not think you have any idea what it is like to be them or him. If he is truly sorry than great he can seek his forgiveness through God. But just because you are forgiven it dose not let you off the hook for the crime. If he is truly repentant than he can do Gods work while he is in prison. This family will forever be scared by what has happened. I could not fathom the nightmare they are living. Steven is at the age of accountability he knows right from wrong. Yes he is young but so was his brother Justin and his other brothers and sisters. Their lives will never be the same and neither should his. "
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To Me wrote on Nov 2, 2009 6:23 PM:
" Angel in the dark
I do know this was not planned. I`m not going to say anything more to hurt this trial or "confuse" anyone reading that may be a part of the jury panel. But I can tell you, he did not plan this. But you have your right to an opinion, you are obviously a friend of the Saylor`s. That`s ok.
To ME
You are a good friend! I am very proud of you! I have no idea who you are, and I am proud.
My own personal opinion, I believe All these boys need alot of council. Something very tramatic has happened to alot of people. Of course I think he needs help! He had/has no chance now. The abuse was horrific and he had no one to get the help he needed. He was BLAMED for something that was NOT his OR his brothers fault! For something that happened a couple years ago. No one is to blame but the PARENTS. And this my friends, is where it all began. A few years ago, in their home. And these people blame thes boys, they took absolutely no responsibility, and continued on blaming the boys.
AGAIN, MY opinion! "
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Praying wrote on Nov 2, 2009 6:30 PM:
" I believe that this boy and I mean BOY, needs our prayers not our judgements. I understand a life was lost and a family torn apart. We should all be praying that God will take care of the family and Steven. Regardless what is decided in court he will never be able to, move past the things that happened. I pray for the family and Steven regularly and know I am not the only one. This has affected more than just the family, he was a student in our schools. He has friends that love and care about him, regardless of what he has done. I think we should be very careful, because our kids are watching, and hurting. "
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kimberly wrote on Nov 2, 2009 6:36 PM:
" Praying:
I agree. It`s an awful situation, all around. "
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Me wrote on Nov 2, 2009 6:45 PM:
" Well My opinion what are you talking about? A couple of years ago?? Blaming the boys for what?? They had to take some responsibility for these kids because it is very evident that they were well taken care of. It sounds like you have no idea what you are talking about. There was NO ABUSE in the home. When are people going to figure that one out! No Abuse. They have been investigated and nothing was found, nothing. You want to blame the parents for what trying to love him and give him a life. He did have a future and that was because these people opened there home and offered him one. They loved him and still do. It sounds like you have a personal vendetta against these people and should keep you opinion to your self! "
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No Caring Family wrote on Nov 2, 2009 7:03 PM:
" "the family till loves him"??? Are they going to see him in the jail? Are they providing him with the necessities he needs while incarcerated?
NO and NO.
Caring? I don't think so. "
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To Me wrote on Nov 2, 2009 7:04 PM:
" To Me:
No need to get angry, Something very terrible went wrong in their house, 3-4 years or so ago. i am not going to put it out on here for everyone to read. They blamed the boys for it. That is all I am going to say on that. The adopted mom and the step dad blamed the boys. Steven just never got the trust back from them, and they made it clear to him. That`s all I can say on here. I am sorry you are upset about this. But yes, I do know this fact. As for the other accusations on that family, I myself, do not know if they are true or not. Alot of people said alot of horrible things about them, I only hope it isn`t true. "
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No Caring Family wrote on Nov 2, 2009 7:14 PM:
" Well if you knew anything about the legal system they cannot see him. It is called a No Contact Order.But my question to you is do you really think Steven would want to look at the person he called Dad in face after he tried to kill him? I really don't think so. And for his mom I feel so sorry for her she must be so torn as to what to do. And to be completly honest he lost his right to his family the day he tried to kill them all! "
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To Me wrote on Nov 2, 2009 7:15 PM:
" Oh and, NO! I have absolutely no personal vendetta against them, or anyone for that fact. None what so ever. You are either reading it wrong or?? I am just very opinionated! I should`ve been a lawyer! HA!
Whether or not they loved him and still love him, huh. I have no idea. As I`m sure you or anyone else OUTSIDE of that house does either. They are the ones that know the truth. "
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To Me wrote on Nov 2, 2009 7:18 PM:
" It still sounds like you do not know what you are talking about. And regardless of him not being trusted it sounds like they were on the right track. He did try to kill them all. "
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To Me wrote on Nov 2, 2009 7:25 PM:
" No, I know. Something happened. You obviously do not know about it and I am not going to put it on here for everyone to read and get even more things started. Steven and Justin had NOTHING to do with it, but the parents blamed them. This family knows exactly what it is that I am talking about. I am not about to say it on here. Anyone that knows the family, knows what I am talking about.
And by the way ME, you don`t sound like a child anymore. Hmmm "
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Me wrote on Nov 2, 2009 7:40 PM:
" I never said I was a child and I was replying to me. And because you do not trust someone dose that give them the right to kill someone? If that is true we have a lot of problems because I can say that I question our President at times. And really who cares if something happened 3 or 4 years ago it still dose not change what happened in August dose it? And I do know what you are talking about and I find it very sad that this family has gone through so much. They are very good people and it is so sad that so much tragedy has befallen such wonderful people. We need to remember that bad things can happen to good people. I know that in many of these cases something was going on in the home but this was not the case. Nothing was going on nothing. Steven must of had deeper issues that no one knew about before they got him. It is just sad because they had no idea what they were getting themselves into. "
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To Me wrote on Nov 2, 2009 7:56 PM:
" Ok, You are getting this confused, HE never got their trust back from something someone else did in their home, and yes, the thing that happened 3 years ago has EVERYTHING to do with it. That`s where it all started. No, No one has the right to kill. No one has the right to abuse. No one has the right to blame others when they are at fault. I agree 100%. I also said, I would HOPE that everything everyone is saying about this adopted mom, is not true. About the abuse that went on in their home. I hope. As I said, THEY are the only ones that know what was done behind closed doors. And who knows, Maybe that`s what will turn out? Like I said, in the end, the truth USUALLY comes out. "
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To Me wrote on Nov 2, 2009 8:09 PM:
" And so what he never got their trust back. Your point is..... It is not an excuse to kill your whole family. I think you are confused. I think you do not know what stared it and neither do I but like I said before if takes some level of planning to try and kill your whole family with a knife. He had to look at them and stab them. They must of been on to something by not trusting him!!! "
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Brad wrote on Nov 2, 2009 8:26 PM:
" To ME
Do not try and do your friend a favor by testifying. What you are saying could be read to say he was planning this for three years. I do not think that is what you mean but, testimony gets twisted. "
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To Me wrote on Nov 2, 2009 8:35 PM:
" To Brad
What???? "
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Caring Family My wrote on Nov 2, 2009 9:38 PM:
" lost his right when he tried to kill them all?
and why would he do that?
Caring family my ---
they care about themselves and that's all they care about. "
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Adoptive Family Lost PPO Order wrote on Nov 2, 2009 9:53 PM:
" Jessica tried to get a PPO against the biological family for stalking. IT WAS DENIED.
The Saylor home needs to be investigated, these kids are not safe. To many bad things have happend in Jessica's home. Get those kids away from her. "
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To me wrote on Nov 2, 2009 9:59 PM:
" To caring family
It sounds like you have some anger issues. I have no idea why he tried to kill them. And if all they cared about was themselves why would they open their home in the first place. Also though didn't the mom spend the whole time at the hospital with her family but hay that would be her not caring right? And yes he did lose his "right" to his family when tried to kill them. He killed let me say killed his brother and tried to kill his other brothers and also his dad. We still do not know if he tried to kill has mom or his sisters. One thing still has not be answered do you really think he wants to see his parents? I would say no! "
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what wrote on Nov 2, 2009 10:07 PM:
" To Adoptive Family Lost PPO
I find it very sickning that you would even rejoice over something like that. I find it very sad that they even had to attempt to get a PPO. In addition
if you have not figured it out yet they have been investigated and there was no ABUSE hello. Maybe your home needs to be investigated. Maybe someone should go around and stalk your family, take pictures, tell ungodly amount of lies. I have been very impressed with them. They have worked hard to protect their family from the media and from vicious people like yourself. Do us all a favor leave these innocent good people alone! "
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To The Friends of Justins wrote on Nov 2, 2009 10:42 PM:
" To the friends of Justin and Steven. We would like for all of you to come forward in what you may know of what was going on with them before and what is happening now.
You can be of great help. "
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Me wrote on Nov 2, 2009 10:47 PM:
" to crazy person
It sounds like you are a vindictive person. Her daughters were raped by a boy she adopted. He is in prison. This is no surprise. I do believe the second she found out she called the police. I would think that would be the right thing to do don't you. Or would it make more sense not to say anything and just allow him to continue...She did allow the bio family time with Justin. She is the one who arranged for them to have time at the funeral home. In addition if you had any common sense you would know that they have already been investigated. And there was no abuse found in the home. Maybe people need to come forward and protect this family from evil vindictive people like your self. In addition so what if he was cremated. It is a homicide they do an autopsy on the body so why dose that even matter. I am sure if we took a good look at your home we would not have the perfect picture either. At some point people need to leave these people alone and let them begin to heal. "
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Josh wrote on Nov 2, 2009 10:50 PM:
" First of all I want to say that I don't even know Steven but i don't feel that he should spend the rest of his life in a 6x6 cell. I understrand that he took a life but for someone at that age shouldn't be tried as an adult. At what age do we draw the line. Lets say a 3 year old pushes another 3 year old in a pond and causes them to dround. I know i spelled it wrong. The first 3 year old caused his death should they spend the rest of their life in prision. I know it's an extreme example but it makes my point.
I hope steven gets thru this and turns out to be a successful productive member of society.
I truely give applaud "ME" for his efforts in helpin his brother.
And i had no idea how stupid some ppl are till they get on here and comment. Not mentioning any names LOL "
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Me wrote on Nov 2, 2009 10:55 PM:
" To The Friends of Justin
You could be of great help if you left the family of Justin and Steven alone.
At some point you need to realize that the truth is nothing was going on in their home and the Badens are just angry because the state took away their children.
It was not the fault of the Saylor/Pribbernow home.
If the Baden's had been good parents to begin with maybe those boys would not of ended up in foster care and maybe the girls would not have been raped.
Steven made a choice to kill his family that is the truth and the Baden's are looking for someone to blame.
They need to blame Steven! "
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To Me wrote on Nov 2, 2009 11:06 PM:
" Jessica did not allow the bio family time with Justin at the funeral home. That tlime was offered to them from the prosecuting attorney ,not Jessica. Jessica wanted to keep the bio family away. "
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Final Resting Place For Justin wrote on Nov 2, 2009 11:13 PM:
" Since Jessica creamated Justin, a selfish act to taking away a place where everyone can grieve.
I suggest getting a headstone in honor of Justin so that everyone will have a place to visit.
A fund can be set up to help with this. "
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Me wrote on Nov 2, 2009 11:17 PM:
" No I am sorry you were misinformed. She did not have to allow them there. She did. This was Jessica's sons viewing. She is the one who made that decision not the prosecutor. How is he going to allow that? He did not make the arrangements she did. He has no say as to who can attend and who can't. It was a private funeral home the family or in this case Justin’s mom decided who could and could not come. "
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Final resting Place wrote on Nov 2, 2009 11:22 PM:
" For those of you who truly knew Justin you would know that he did not beleive in cemetaries. If you want to remeber him take a walk in the woods he loved that. It you want to feel him close your eyes and you can feel him in the wind. He is always with the ones that love him and I know he will always be with me. "
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To Me wrote on Nov 2, 2009 11:23 PM:
" The prosecuting attorney told Jessica to allow the bio parents to view their son.
Faith is the biological mother of Justin.
Jessica is the foster/adoptive mother of Justin. From earlier reports a paid foster/adoptive mother. "
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To me wrote on Nov 2, 2009 11:37 PM:
" No he did not. And yes she was the bio mom but she lost her rights when she lost the boys and she was also paid. She kept the youngest boy sick so she could receive SSI so who is worse some who keeps a child sick or some one who opens their home to children? I guess you can decide that one for yourself. I don't see any of you offering your home up for foster care or adoption. Maybe you should give it a try. You have no idea what it is like to bring in complete strangers into your home and love them. You act like she took those boys away from them. The state did with good reasons. Have you not seen the document. 33 reports with at least 10 that gave probable cause to remove the children. And how do you know that the prosecuting attorney told her to do it. Because if she is as evil as you say she is why would she listen to him?? Just tring to make you think a little about what you are saying. "
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bill wrote on Nov 2, 2009 11:46 PM:
" He will have lots of time in the slammer to figure out what he did,NO SYMPATHY. Lock him up for life, no parole. Send a message to others. He's lucky he does'nt live in Texas, etc. party's over. "
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Money wrote on Nov 2, 2009 11:49 PM:
" The money the state pays is incentive for people to open up their homes. From previous postings, Jessica was getting many checks for all of the kids she fostered/adopted, and would show them off to people. Why would she do that?
And why would the prosecuting attorney be telling Jessica it would be a good idea to allow the bio family to say their last goodbyes to their son?
Why was the prosecuting attorney contacted at all in regard to visitation?
Seems Jessica contacted the prosecuting attorney to try and stop the bio family from having their last visit with their son, only to be told to allow the bio family time with their son.
It may be true that the bio family needed to have the boys taken away, but you can't possibly say that the home they ended up in is any better. Molestation, prison, murder, jail, assault. "
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Me wrote on Nov 3, 2009 12:03 AM:
" Well I am sure it was a better home. Do you honestly believe that the money these homes receive is enough? I can almost guarantee that no amount of money could replace the amount of pain that they have gone through. I can also say that she loves her children very much and money has nothing to do with that either. If it was about money don't you think you would be seeing her in the media a lot more and not the bio mom. I don't think that the prosecuting attorney was even contacted when the decision was made. I do know this if she is that hateful she would not of allowed them to attend. But SHE DID and that fact remains. I would like to add that by Jessica having put Paul in prison for what he did to her daughters she could have quite possibly saved your children from the same fate. Also by adopting these boys she gave them a chance. Who is to say that Steven might have went on a bigger killing spree and you were his next target. I would like to thank her because if she did not do what she did we could have all been victims. "
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Money wrote on Nov 3, 2009 12:17 AM:
" It was posted that Jessica often showed people her checks that she recieved from the state for each child. And that the boys, Justin was going to be kicked out at the age of 18, when the check stopped coming in for him. Kids stop getting state funding at the age of 18, they age out. Why was he going into the marines and not going to college to earn a degree?
The boys will be able to contact the bio family when they turn 18. And two have already done that. So if the bio family is so bad, then why did the two boys on their own, contact them?
It was suggested to Jessica by the prosecuting attorney and her pastor to allow the bio family visitation. Why was it suggested, if she wasn't going to allow it? "
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Money wrote on Nov 3, 2009 12:39 AM:
" Well I guess if it was posted than it must be true. That is very funny. The reason Justin joined the Marines is because he wanted to be like his grand father. Also the reason the one boy contacted them is because he was going to prison for what he did to their daughters. I don't beleive that Justin contacted them . The truth is if he did so what he did not want anything to do with them because he knew that they had ties to Paul. Justin loved his sisters and would have did anything for them and that would mean that he did not want anything to do with the Badens. And your comment keeps changing. Who cares who suggested it she still allowed it. Who is to say how you would react. Faith was already slamming her and she still allowed them to go to the viewing. I personally would not of let them do anything if they were saying all those things about my family. And to be clear she was showing people the checks she received? Now really if you beleive that you are not as smart as you appear to be. "
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Rodney King wrote on Nov 3, 2009 12:50 AM:
" CAn't we all just get along.
Good grief , talk about people with agendas. We have laws to take care of situations like this.
I am amazed at all the people running their mouths and the trial hasn't even started. To repeat what is said so often here, just wait til the facts come out. "
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sorry4all wrote on Nov 3, 2009 1:04 AM:
" I hope that someone has looked into the situation to consider what caused this child to commit these horrendous acts. Trying a 15-yr-old as an adult is severe - God bless all involved and may the most merciful outcome be obtained. "
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To Me wrote on Nov 3, 2009 7:39 AM:
" You seem like you are fighting for the saylor/pribbernow family-WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU TELL THEIR BUSINESS ON THEIR DAUGHTERS? Have a LITTLE class! If you are fighting for them. WOW! You argued with the other person on here telling that they didnt know what they were talking about, that person had enough class to explain they wouldn`t "go there", yet you did? Why would you do that? To rip apart these little girls hearts again? Turn your computer off, and don`t bother "helping" them out! "
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To Me wrote on Nov 3, 2009 7:41 AM:
" And I thought the you ngest adopted boy was born with a disease in his spine? True? false? "
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Joe wrote on Nov 3, 2009 7:57 AM:
" Bottom line is that he was found COMPETENT to be tried as an ADULT. That means he knew the difference from right and wrong and knew the gravity of his actions. To all of you who say he was pushed, bs. People are pushed to their limits every day and they don't become murderers. Justice is being served. Period. "
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John Paul Osborn wrote on Nov 3, 2009 8:21 AM:
" No, sir, "the bottom line" is that an extremely vengeful prosecutor decided to boost his "get tough on crime" ratings by putting a child in jeopardy of dying in prison. Competency hearings are like Grand Juries . . you can find a salami sandwich competent if you have the desire to.
People who promote prosecuting, trying and sentencing children as adults generally fall into two categories; those who are ignorant of the extreme danger faced by kids in prison, the dramatically increased rates of physical and sexual assault on kids, the dramatically increased number of suicides, the lack of educational services and the much poorer rate of rehabilitation and higher rate of recidivism; and those who get their jollies from seeing young kids suffer . . which begs the question . . are they simply stupid, or are they closet sadists? "
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Too Adopted family denied PPO wrote on Nov 3, 2009 8:28 AM:
" Yes, They were denied the PPO. She wanted to be left alone to "grieve" for her son, yet she stated they never called her, never showed up at any place they were, and did NOT know where she lived.hmmmm...THEN WHY TRY TO GET A PPO? Geez! Trying to cause trouble? Go and grieve, turn yourcomputer off, stop trying to "cyber stalk" others. It`s weird.
As for the cremation. What`s done is done. Can`t do anything about it now. Someone made a good point on getting a headstone. They need closure too. The BIO parents don`t believe, and that`s ok. some do, some don`t.
I believe Justin DID call, ask the parents of a friend. 3 hour conversation. You are RUDE for even saying such a thing-and YOU say for the badens to stop SLANDERING? whatre you doing? "
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carrie wrote on Nov 3, 2009 8:40 AM:
" At 15 .. you know the difference.. at 15 you know how to get help when you feel yourself getting to a point of murder.. at 15 you should be tried as an adult..
"He just snapped"... yea ok.. well if he just snapped out of anger he would of stopped after the first STAB !! I snap out of anger.. but I sure as heck catch myself WITHOUT grabbing a knife and stabbing ANYONE!! Get a grip.. he deserves what he gets.. long as it is life in prison w/o possiblity of parole!! "
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Miscalculated wrote on Nov 3, 2009 8:47 AM:
" Well, looking at his age, I would guess he thought he had a freebie and would spend a couple of years and juvi and then walk. Glad to see the prosecutors are not backing down on this one. He should see nothing but walls the rest of his life. We don't need his kind on the outside. "
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bill wrote on Nov 3, 2009 9:04 AM:
" john osborn, perhaps you can turn your home into a prison,fence and all, take this young fellow in. We will all be safe and you can sleep with one eye open. He appears to be a danger to the rest of us. "
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Boone wrote on Nov 3, 2009 10:18 AM:
" sympathy, Funny how you believe it is okay to kill and stab if you are 15 and you snapped. Tell that to the kids at Virginia Tech, and the nine year old in Saginaw who was shot in his bed, (by a sixteen year old).
When do you teach your kids it is wrong to take a knife to your brothers?? This is not a time out situation where he can say he is sorry. Snapping is like saying no one respected him. Jackson Prison is full of people who snapped. That is where he should be.
It is not all right to kill. If you do you pay for it forever! "
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being abused wrote on Nov 3, 2009 10:29 AM:
" I can tell you first hand what being abused can make a person do and become. I was "Lured" in by a man, a much older man. After I married him, 1 week later, I was shocked at what I had married! He was a monster! I never said one word when he became angry, which was just about daily. Almost a year later, after being pushed and tortured, I snapped. I stayed up all night, yelling everything he`d done and said to me. I felt "crazy". I never believed in the women getting out of prison for murdering their abusive mates. I did at the moment,and don`t blame them now-they are/were not in their right mind. they become someone they never thought they would know. That`s when I left, it wasn`t me. I am a very respectable woman in this community, and felt horrible then. I decided to leave and never look back.
I was told Steven left once and was brought back. This is why I feel sorry for him, because of my own experience, only I was able to leave. I was in no right mind, and wasn`t for a while because of this monster. I feel for everyone who is abused, and just wish they could walk away, and leave.
People need to tell others, get out, walk away. Don`t give in to the monster. "
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wow wrote on Nov 3, 2009 11:15 AM:
" first off just because an investigation was done and no abuse was found does NOT mean there was no abuse. YOu people are brain dead if you actaully think the CPS works, they are fools. YOu could have a kid getting mentally and physically abused daily and they would come to the house and say hmm looks clean dont see a black eye yup no abuse here. So please don't say you know there was no abuse because the found none, WTF ever. Also oh this family is so nice to open their home, yeah open it to get a check thats what they did and ruined every child they took in. I hope they get theirs and they will on judgement day. "
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need to put my 2 cents in wrote on Nov 3, 2009 11:19 AM:
" I do not believe the bio parents are going to the media for attention. Those were her babies. She never stopped fighting for them. Would you ever stop if your babies were taken? She needsthem to know she will never stop fighting and loving them. Every child needs to know they were loved. Whether they wanted to be there or not. They grow up and need to know that their REAL parents did love them. That will be some type of closure for themselves. "
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Laughing out Lour wrote on Nov 3, 2009 11:32 AM:
" The comments to this thread get stupider and stupider the longer it goes. I am sure glad that this place exists, otherwise some of you would just "SNAP". lol , what a bunch of fools, I will be back later to laugh at the imbecilic comments. LOLOL "
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Denied PPO wrote on Nov 3, 2009 1:19 PM:
" Jessica thinks the bio family is going to kill her . Why would she think this? The bio family only loves their children, and wishes no harm on the Saylor family. Yet, Jessica say's she wonders if they (the bio family) are going to kill me or my children. Jessica says' it's very obvious that the bio family are not mentally stable and she fears for her life. And that she is constantly looking over her shoulder, wondering when these people are going to show up and what are they going to do.
I find that very sad, that they think the bio family would hurt them. And that they tried to use the justice system against t he the bio family ony to hurt them.It's ridiculous. The PPO was rightfully denied. "
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To Me wrote on Nov 3, 2009 1:33 PM:
" Why didn`t Jessica and Josh allow the bio family to be at the funeral? Why did she only allow then 30 min. or an hour? Just curious. I mean if she "allowed" them that time, why not the full? For SOME type of closure. What would`ve been so bad to have them there? "
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whatever wrote on Nov 3, 2009 1:53 PM:
" I don't know what happened in that home or in the bio home. But to all you people commenting on why the bio family wasn't allowed anything. What part don't you understand about adoption. Those kids were taking away from the bio parents and were adopted. Once bio parents lose their rights and a child is put up for adoption the bio family no longer have any rights what so ever. Most bio families don't even have a clue to what state or city their bio children live in. If the adopted mother gave them anytime at all to pay their respects to her child ( and he was and is her child ) then the bio parents should feel grateful that they were allowed any time at all.
I'm not going to sit here and debate any part of this. But sit back and think about how you would feel if you adopted a child and the bio parents found out where you lived. Wouldn't you worry about if they might do something to you and your kids. (adopted and bio). Once the system takes your rights away you no longer have any right to have any contact with that child. So maybe you should all sit back and stop thinking you know anything about what went on in that house. Even if she was abusing them she could hide it from anyone she chose to. And did you stop to think that if a child is unhappy in their home they will make up stories true or false to get the attention they want. "
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To whatever wrote on Nov 3, 2009 2:13 PM:
" I was curious. Did she have the right to keep them away? Or could they have gone anyway? Just curious. The Bio parents know where they live? I was told they didn`t. I thought Jessica said they didn`t ever go to her house and was unaware of knowing where she lived? (this was said in court the other day BTW) If you keep saying the kids are happy in her home, why would you just say "And did you stop to think that if a child is unhappy in their home they will make up stories true or false to get the attention they want. " Just curious. Made me a little confused. If they were unhappy, what stories have been made up? If they were happy, why did you say that? "
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To Whatever wrote on Nov 3, 2009 2:16 PM:
" I know plenty of adopted kids and plenty of adoptive parents. NO they do not ever deny bio communication. It is unhealthy for all concerned, the children in particular.
So don't sit and debate. Who asked you to. Your narrow minded and know nothing except what you think you know about anyting. Your probably the Saylors and I wouldn't give a rip what you thought about anything. You give yourself away throughout these posts
If you knew a thimble full of what you think you know about what is right and what is healthy for the kids you wouldn't say any of these things.
I have one friend in particular that has 10 adopted children from several different parents. They do not deny even one the option of knowing who they are and never deny visits.
To deny a bio parent visitation is cruel and inhumane! Doesn't matter who owns these kids on paper, feelings are feelings and you missy better look in the mirror and think real long and hard about KARMA.
Poor you. Poor poor you. and not just monetarily NOW. Poor pathetic cruel heartless YOU. "
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Unwanted Adoption wrote on Nov 3, 2009 2:20 PM:
" To whatever....these children were not PUT UP for adoption by the biological family. They were adoptied out of foster care. So yes, the bio familiy does want to know if their children are safe and secure, and how they are doing. Imagine the shock of finding out that your child was murdered while in the care of the foster/adoptive home. And was murdered at the foster/adoptive home by another adoptive child. This wasn't some random murder that took place in a back ally, by an act of random violence. This murder took place in the victims home. While the parents, were there. One parent was injured as well.This type of violence never occured while they were living with their biological family. So you can understand the shock and grief the biological family is feeling. Having their children taken away, only to have ALL of them injured,one in prison, and one dead. Parents don't expect this to happen when their children are taken away and put into foster care, then adopted by the foster parents. The public doesn't expect this to happen when children are put into foster care and adopted. It's supposed to take kids out of harms way and put them into homes where they will be safe from harm. "
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no legal system wrote on Nov 3, 2009 2:33 PM:
" you have entirely too much confidence in our system. i hope you never have to use it or depend on it. you will find out how bad it is. you probably think if your a teacher that means you know everything and are always right. not so true either.
not everything is black and white. look outside the box "
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Have to wonder wrote on Nov 3, 2009 2:33 PM:
" You have to wonder, if these boys who are in this adoptive home, will continue living with the Saylor's after they turn 18, graduate and hopefully attend college. Will they consider the Saylor's their family for the rest of their lives?
To the person who knows families who adopted many children. Do the adoptive kids remain with the adoptive family after they grow up? Do they return? Or do they also include their biological families in their lives as well.
Oh, and why can't the boys have supervised visitation with their biological mom? Wouldn't that calm the tensions between the two families? "
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To the children wrote on Nov 3, 2009 2:39 PM:
" To the kids in the home. There has been a HORRIFIC tragedy in this home, and in life. Remember these words....TO ALL CHILDREN
Remember this quote
" You're braver than you believe, stronger than you seem, and smarter than you think"
You are just a child. "
Hits home "
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kimberly wrote on Nov 3, 2009 2:51 PM:
" I know a few families that have adopted children, 1 of the families has a huge part in both of the biological parents(brother and sister and 2 different families) In fact the boy was in his bio moms wedding. They see them all the time.
The other family I know they see them and talk with them all the time also.
Time will tell everyone-if they stay in the house--if they stay a part of their(saylors) lives, or have absolutely nothing to do with them. That`ll be the truth right there. If it doesn`t come out before that. When the boys reach 18 and they "flee" or continue to stay. Remember that.
I am wondering something though, If this Jessica is only (I think the paper said 32- 33?) and she has had these boys for 5 years? That is still a VERY young age to have so many adopted children. Alot of people that age are still very immature-and -IF what people are saying on her "running her mouth" about the boys personal problems is found to be true, she was way too young-AGAIN, my opinion, to have so many children at once. "
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To HAVE TO WONDER wrote on Nov 3, 2009 2:53 PM:
" my particular friends situation: after they are 18 they can do whatever, but they stay because they like it there.
I think Justin was planning to leave the Saylor home except he felt obligated to the younger one also. it is my understanding these kids are treated horrible and like prisioners.
So I guess it won't be a much different life style for Steven.
I don't know Steven but my heart goes out to him. He's had way too much for such a young child.
hope the system gets it together and forgets it's not about sweeping under the rug, but make some things right.
IF it's true that the Saylors were investigated and NOTHING was found, then I am afraid once again the blinders have come out in Sparkle CIty. If they haven't been investigated I hope they are. "
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SunnyDazy wrote on Nov 3, 2009 2:57 PM:
" I hope and pray the Badens get what is due them, in respect to the hurt they have endured through these years. I don't know them but I don't think they are so bad. You think they are? Why? because they got their kids taken away? These things DO happen for no reason. Yes, they do.
I want what is best for the kids no matter which home it is. The best for the KIDS.
I don't feel the Saylors home is that home, but it's just my opinion.
I hope the Saylors get what is coming to them for the devastation that has gone on in that home. The track record doesn't appear to be real good there.
I'm also not so sure the boy in prison already really needs to be there. Again stranger things have happened. But if he did do that horrific crime, then he is where he should be.
Time is gonna tell a whole lotta stuff!
I do not know either family personally. I don't want to know the Saylors either. I shudder when I hear the name. "
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to have to wonder wrote on Nov 3, 2009 3:00 PM:
" I`m sure this is just the beginning of a" nightmare".
Trails etc. I`m sure even after the trial`s over and done with is when another investigation will take place. Is what i think anyway. It won`t be over for quite some time. "
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to have to wonder wrote on Nov 3, 2009 3:02 PM:
" OOps, I meant TRIALS, etc. "
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Tesify wrote on Nov 3, 2009 3:12 PM:
" I agree, from what I had read before the Saylor home was a prison for the kids.
I am hoping the friends of these kids will come forward and testify at the trial as to what was told to them by Steven and any other child who is in this home. As well as Paul who is in prison, he can come in and testify as to the conditions in the Saylor home and what he experienced while there.
The neighbors had posted that they saw the boys out at 5:00am pulling weeds, and wondered about them. I hope these neighbors testify as well.
The truth needs to come out for the sake of the children.
I think supervised visitation should be set up for the biological family so they can see their sons. Once they are 18 they will be contacted anyway. And it's not much longer before they are 18.
And adult children do talk. "
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Angel in the Dark wrote on Nov 3, 2009 4:24 PM:
" Ya know I love reading these because it just shows me how DUMB some people really are! And yes the truth will come out and this family the Saylors will finally be left in peace. O yeah to the people who know people who have adopted, the people who allow the visits with their adopted children the bio parents are probably not crazy like the Badens. They are STALKERS Leave these people alone!!! "
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To Angel wrote on Nov 3, 2009 4:33 PM:
" If they are stalkers, why were you the ones who had copies of all their sites and TOOK THEM INTO COURT?! hahaha And you call the commentors "dumb"? They do not know where you live, they do Not show up at places you are, They do not call you. You and your friend Jessica-have invaded the sites. You copied them(the sites) and took them to court. The judge tossed it out! You were denied the PPO. Dontcha think that`s a little "weird"? They do not bother you. Can you explain to everyone what they do to "Stalk" you? Please, do tell. "
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whatever wrote on Nov 3, 2009 4:46 PM:
" I do know what I am talking about because not only am I adopted, I also have 4 adopted children. No my bio parents weren't allowed to have any contact with me until I was 18 and none of my childrens bio parents know where my kids are. They were ordered by the courts to not try to contact their mio children. When they turn 18 if and when they choose to the children can contact them. I have 2 that are already 22 and 20 and have no desire to contact their bio parents. And so far neither do the 17 and 15 year olds wish any contact with them. So don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.
And I have never met either of those families but I am tired of people feeling bad about bio parents not having any rights to the children they had their rights taken away. "
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One Things for Sure wrote on Nov 3, 2009 4:49 PM:
" She is loving all the attention you people are giving her. "
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PPO Denied wrote on Nov 3, 2009 5:23 PM:
" Jesscia's PPO quest was THROWN OUT!
Jesscia said she was being stalked, she checked off all the boxes on the PPO
I make this petition under the authority of MCL 600.2950a and ask hte court to grant a personal protection order prohibiting the respondent from stalking me as defineed. which includes but is not limited to.
1. following me or appearing within my
sight.
2. appearing at my workplace or
residence.
3. approaching or confronting me in
a public place or on private property.
4. entering onto or r emaining on property
owned, leased, or occupied by me.
5. sending mail or other communications
to me.
6. Contacting me by telephone.
7.Placing an object or delivering an object
to property owned, leased or occupied
by me.
8. Threatening to kill or physically injure
me.
9. Purchasing or possessing a firearm.
Jessica was asked these 8 questions by the judge and the answer to all 8 questions was no.
PPO Denied.
Now who is harassing who? "
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To whatever wrote on Nov 3, 2009 5:30 PM:
" And that`s ok. I myself just feel bad about everything that has happened. I visited the bio sites, and they felt they were wrongfully taken, and read thgs theyve written from the past 3 years. Everyone makes mistakes, maybe the state did? maybe you did? Maybe the bio did? Who knows-I just know, as a mom myself, that I would die for my kids. And I would never stop fighting for them, ever. "
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PPO denied wrote on Nov 3, 2009 5:34 PM:
" Yes, I am confused on that too. "
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To PPO denied wrote on Nov 3, 2009 5:42 PM:
" Yes, don't you find that strange? And another thing is, the bio family lives out of town several hours away. So you have to ask yourself just who is making contact here, seems the adoptive mother is making all the contact, by dragging them into court for nothing. "
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whatever wrote on Nov 3, 2009 7:06 PM:
" I would fight to the death for my children also, even though I didn't give birth to them. I have raised them and loved them for more years than the bio mother ever had them. I do know why my kids were taken from their bio parents, and yes everyone makes mistakes. I'm not a perfect parent and There are times that I lost my temper over some of the things my kids did. But that doesn't change the fact That in my eyes and in the eyes of the law that they are my children not the bio parents.
My bio parents thought more about their bar time than they did about me and my siblings. I was glad to be taken away from them and I will never regret being raised by parents that loved us and took care of us. They never left us alone at night to go out to a bar like our bio parents. I will give this much to my bio parents, they never raised a hand to us and they never let us go to school dirty. But then they were never around to raise a hand to us. My oldest brother was making sure we took baths and had clean clothes from the time he was 8 yrs old. I was 6 when we went to live with our adopted parents and even then he was 13 and still felt the need to make sure we were well cared for. Not all bio parents lose their children to abuse. some lose them due to neglect. "
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kimberly wrote on Nov 3, 2009 7:31 PM:
" Whatever. I am so sorry. I am glad you had a wonderful experience with your adopted family. I am so sorry for your brother. Hopefully your bio parents are ok now and you can forgive them, and they can forgive themselves. I also know a few that were adopted amd some that HAVE adopted. All turned out good and happy. 1 that I know said it was "ok" but has recently gotten in touch with his birth mom and it is a wonderful experience for the both of them-and the adopted parents too. Not all turn out like that.
Someone mentioned a supervised visit for the bio parents-maybe in the future they can have that happen. "
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whatever wrote on Nov 3, 2009 7:46 PM:
" Kimberly, I have no hard feelings towards my bio parents. I never seen them from the day we were removed from them and never will. They died about 7 yrs ago and what we were told is they both died of liver disease due to the alcohol. As for my kids If they ever show one ounce of desire to meet their bio parents I would find a way to contact them and I would meet them before my kids did. I wouldn't encourage it unless I knew for sure they wouldn't hurt My children again.
I do understand some adoptive parents allow bio's to have contact with the kids. But i don't think in this case it was allowed and I can understand that. If the adopted parents are as bad as people on here say they are, Then all my prayers go out to those kids. It is hard being an adopted child, but if the adopted parents love those children things can be good for everyone. But I am also smart enough to know that not all adoptions work out for the best. And no matter how much someone loves a person bad things can happen. And not all bad things happen because a child isn't loved enough. "
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So much has happened. wrote on Nov 3, 2009 7:57 PM:
" So many bad things have happened while the kids were/are in this foster/adoptive home.
Where are the friends of Justin and Steven. They know a lot of what these boys were going through. Some of them even stood outside the courthouse in support of Steven. I hope they all get called to testify in this case.
I feel bad for the bio family, they didn't deserve to have their kids hurt/murdered/inprisoned while in the custody of the foster/adoptive home. "
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How so wrote on Nov 3, 2009 8:12 PM:
" You say the Badens are crazy? horrible people? how so? can you explain how or why you feel like that? "
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Use your head wrote on Nov 3, 2009 8:40 PM:
" These comments are some of the most idiotic, yet telling examples of the type of idiots who think because they heard one side of the story or the other, they know the whole story. Some people here even seem to have a dog in the fight yet still have a strong desire to fight this out in a public forum. That is beyond stupid.... "
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Weird but true wrote on Nov 3, 2009 8:53 PM:
" Google the name Faith Baden some really odd stuff comes up...like the sites she has joined. Someone please make her aware that the internet is public information (a lot of times)when you are just out there randomly posting stuff and joining websites. "
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PPO Denied wrote on Nov 3, 2009 10:14 PM:
" Use your head, what don't you get about what happened in the adoptive foster home.
Every single child in that home has been hurt!
Two are in jail, one dead, two molested, the rest assaulted. Get real people.
This didn't happen in their biological homes.
The PPO denied against the bio family.
This adoptive home isn't any better. All the children in this home have been hurt! "
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PPO Denied wrote on Nov 3, 2009 10:15 PM:
" Rather Jessica LOST her case, her PPO request against the bio family was DENIED. "
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Use Your Head wrote on Nov 3, 2009 10:22 PM:
" PPO Denied,
What don't you get about how stupid it is to try this case in a public forum?
But if you think this helps anybody's case, then, by all means, carry on. Show all those involved, on both sides, how little you care about them.
Get smart people. "
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PPOOD wrote on Nov 3, 2009 10:28 PM:
" A PPO being denied to Jessica is absolutely meaningless in the criminal case of Pribbernow.
Somebody seems to think it has relevance here so they keep repeating it.
It has no bearing whatsoever. Give it a rest. "
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Your In Denial wrote on Nov 3, 2009 10:31 PM:
" Use Your Head your in denial.
All those kids, every single one of them have been hurt in the foster/adoptive home.
How little you care about these children.
All who have been hurt. That is 7 kids hurt in this home. "
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Wake Up People wrote on Nov 3, 2009 10:32 PM:
" Jessica is vindictive, just attempting to get a PPO order against the bio family shows just what kind of a person she is. And not allowing the bio family to visit with their departed son is cruel.
Where is Justin buried? Rumor has it she had him creamated. Why is that?
No, Jessica's home wasn't the best place for these kids.
Her two daughters were molested.
One son in prison,
One son murdered.
One son in jail charged with murder.
Two sons assaulted and in the hospital.
THIS IS NOT A GOOD HOME PERIOD.
To many bad things have happend.
Anyone esle that knows of what went on in the home, needs to come forward. " "
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Public Information wrote on Nov 3, 2009 10:35 PM:
" Please be aware that all court documents are public record as well.
This murder trial is a public record, PPO request is a public record.
I wonder if court tv/tru tv will air this trial. "
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Use Your Head wrote on Nov 3, 2009 10:42 PM:
" Your In Denial,
What in the world are you talking about? What I am in denial about? Where did I deny kids were hurt in that home?
I have no idea if they were or weren't. I just said this public forum is not the place to try the case. But if you think your helping, you go right ahead. Hopefully you will see the light sooner rather than later. How little you care about this case and the players involved, including the children.
If you think I am in denial about something based on my posts, then you are obviously in a stupor. "
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You have no idea wrote on Nov 3, 2009 10:48 PM:
" You have no idea if they were hurt or not?
Wow. Being murdered,molested and stabbed isn't being hurt in your mind?
What, you don't believe anyone was hurt? Dead isn't good enough for you?
You need help. "
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For real wrote on Nov 3, 2009 10:59 PM:
" I am going to say something negative but please take note that I refer to myself as well. I am sure that I am seen differently by people who know and like me than by people who know and dislike me. I am sure I am seen as nice to people I have been nice to and me
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