[QUOTE=Ereunity;37148272]This is why you put cat collars with easily rung bells on them, so they can't be sneaky.[/QUOTE]
they learn how to sneak without ringing the bell
My cat usually catches mice live, picks them up in his mouth, brings them to the doorstep, throws them around and plays with them and then eventually eats it all - or leaves some for our other cat.
[QUOTE=Chevron;37149860]Because animals think that way, all they know is survival they will try to live where they can, they don't see a fence and go that's TestECull's house better not go there.[/quote] And they fall to the many hazards here. Only problem it causes me is scraping the carcass off the driveway.
[quote]What does it matter where we are on a food chain[/quote] That's all that matters. You don't see gazelles going "Hey, look, we know you're the top of the food chain, but could you kindly let us live on your land?" when it sees a cheetah. No, it gets the fuck out of there, because if it doesn't it gets killed.
[quote] we have a capacity for thinking, [/quote] so? [quote]we have an obligation to take care of those below us[/quote] No. No we bloody well aren't. The only thing we're obligated to do is kill and eat something below us.
Maybe in eco-yuppie land that's different, but in the real world humans are not obligated to take care of species below them on the food chain. We only do so out of guilt, or a desire for companionship if you're speaking of pets. We don't have to do a damn thing for them.
[quote] not mindless killing because hurr durr it is my land.[/quote] Yeah, how dare that lion pack enforce it's territory. How dare that tiger keep unwanted vermin out of it's den. And that grizzly bear is a complete prick for not letting deer sleep with it at night!
See a pattern here? Every predator I just listed evicts forcefully any intruders it sees. Hell, they even tend to evict us, the only reason they haven't overrun human settlements in their territory is large-caliber rifles. Mankind wasn't born onto the top of the food chain, we worked our primordial asses off to get there. We rolled snake eyes in the genetic lottery when it comes to the food chain. Nature planted us right about in the middle of it. Yet here we are, kings of the entire fucking planet. We can singlehandedly eradicate a species on a whim. We can wipe the entire planet of life with a couple of phone calls. We're on the cusp of being able to create new species on a whim as well. Mankind is the top of the food chain by his own choice, by his own hard work.
Hell we've walked on the moon. There's no other species science knows of capable of even dreaming of walking on the moon, [i]let alone actually fucking doing it.[/i]
I'll consider your point when a bunch of raccoons successfully lands a couple of their kin on the moon and gets them back safely. If they can do something that, so far, mankind is the only species in the entire universe is capable of, then I'll concede that maybe they have some business giving my dog rabies by stealing her food. But until then, they show up to steal her kibble, they get the business end of my .22 rifle.
[quote]Ok make bombs on your land[/quote] I live far enough out in the sticks where, given the proper safety gear, I actually could do this. My nearest neighbors are a quarter mile away, and there lies a handy natural shrapnel shield in the form of a thick packet of woods between their houses and my own. I could safely set off rather large booms.
So I may very well do that. I like exploding things.
[quote]and don't pay property tax, because it is yours.[/quote] Don't be stupid. We're not talking about that. We're talking about vermin roaming up onto the back porch.
[quote] and what are you some sort of superior being[/quote] I can drive. Raccoons cannot. I can build an engine. Possums cannot. I can build a computer. Mice cannot.
Damn fucking straight I'm a superior being.
[quote] give up technology and out food chain a lion.[/quote] Can't be arsed to fuck with the TSA. Also, Africa has terrible internet. And v8s are too sweet to throw away.
It is possible though. There's a reason we enacted poaching laws regarding not shooting big cats. Mankind almost wiped them all out around the turn of the 20th, back when technology was still more or less stone age. Tigers haven't yet recovered from the rampant hunting.
[quote]You fail to grasp that cat populations are out of control in most areas and are not kept indoors.[/quote] You fail to grasp that I don't live in such an area, and thus, don't give half a damn.
But even if I did they'd still be mousers. Way cheaper than exterminators and traps that don't work.
[quote]You also fail to grasp that cats can roam up to 10km from your house, not your property mate.[/QUOTE]
Mine barely go a quarter mile. I've tracked them with GPS before.
My cat tried to drag a headless bunny through my basement window last week. She successful got a live one through once, and it started freaking out and running in circles.
The second cat I own has a mental disorder, and he's a killing machine. He once brought like, six dead animals to my front door in a single day.
My black cat Ozzy decided her favorite pass time in the Spring was to kill small birds around our apartment. My mom got so aggravated that she went after her with a broom... The next the day the damn cat comes back with a full sized dove.
Close enough.
How has this thread gone this long without someone posting this?
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While I do not have a cat, there's a stray cat that usually goes through my backyard. He's a huge motherfucker. I found him on the tree outside my window on the second floor just toying with the birds and squirrels up there and then glared at me before jumping down to the porch. He even spooked off the raccoons that were hanging around our garbage cans, he's like a miniature lion.
[QUOTE=TestECull;37149555]No. No they don't. They ignore it entirely, eat the trap around the bait, take the bait without getting caught in the trap, and generally defeat the trap in every way it is possible to defeat the trap. We've tried everything from glue boards to spring traps to those stupid 'humane' traps that don't work because the mouse beats you back into the house. None of them worked.
Cats > mousetraps.[/QUOTE]
Mousetraps work extremely well if you know how to use them. Going to sound dumb but you have to think like a mouse (lol) and put the traps in areas that mice frequent and bait it with good bait. Not cheese because that's dumb, the best bait I've found is peanut butter or bacon grease. If you are trapping rats what I said above is still true but you also have to thoroughly clean the rat trap each and every time you have trapped a rat with it otherwise a rat will never come close to it after it's killed it's first rat.
My friend had a cat when she was younger, it had a bell on it's collar. I never heard the bell ring, in over 10 years. That cat had skills.
[QUOTE=Chevron;37149860]Because animals think that way, all they know is survival they will try to live where they can, they don't see a fence and go that's TestECull's house better not go there.
What does it matter where we are on a food chain, we have a capacity for thinking, we have an obligation to take care of those below us, not mindless killing because hurr durr it is my land.
Not in the numbers we have now and not in the variety.
Ok make bombs on your land and don't pay property tax, because it is yours.
No you are loaning the land, it will not be yours forever, and what are you some sort of superior being, give up technology and out food chain a lion.
You fail to grasp that cat populations are out of control in most areas and are not kept indoors.
You also fail to grasp that cats can roam up to 10km from your house, not your property mate.[/QUOTE]
this whole ~all life is SaCrEd~ thing is getting out of hand.
i bet you're an advocator for cockroach civil rights, too.
I was blazing outside today and saw my cat playing with a living mouse like it was some toy. She swatted it around the yard, let it crawl away for a bit to let it think it's going to live, then she would attack it again. It was FUCKED up, and she's such a nice cat inside.
My cat doesn't bring me murder presents and I know he's a killer.
That little bastard's holding out on me.
Cats are an invasive species. It's quite hypocritical to purge cane toads & purple loosestrife, but cats are a-okay.
Why do cats even need to be let outside in the first place exactly? Dogs are kept in yards & on leashes.
We only have one cat we actively let outside on purpose and he's been declawed. But even without his claws he has managed to kill and eat several mice, I've found several mouse carcasses in our backyard.
But that could be because we adopted him and he used to be a stray, so he knows how to kill shit to survive.
My cat used to murder heaps of shit, but since we've acquired two more cats and two dogs she just spends her time beating them up instead (yes, she's boss of the house and puts the fucking dogs in their place - below her).
The other animals are fucking terrified of her.
Today my cat had a really cute bird in it's mouth and it was flinching and screaming and my cat would play with it like a toy and then later there were birdy pieces all over the porch :(
my cat has a collection of straws.
its an outdoor cat so I get the occasional mouse but I get more straws as gifts than mice. I don't even own a box of straws. happens around once a week I come home to a pile of 5 or 6 straws at the front door.
Anyone have an explanation for this one?
My cat used to kill shit but it ran out of stuff to kill and now it's gotten obese from lack of killing so it just sleeps in my room and I can't make it leave.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;37155214]My black cat Ozzy decided her favorite pass time in the Spring was to kill small birds around our apartment. My mom got so aggravated that she went after her with a broom... The next the day the damn cat comes back with a full sized dove.
Close enough.[/QUOTE]
"Oh god I must not be doing a good enough job I'm so sorry look I brought this huge fucker in did I do good now???"
Also my old cat wouldn't stop throwing dead mice in my shoes. He loved me quite a bit but damn cat I don't want miceguts on my feet.
We bought him a stuffed toy mouse and he started shoving that in my shoes instead so that was better at least :v:
once my cat came inside through the cat door and jumped up on my lap while i was playing tf2, and a few minutes later i noticed he had a decapitated mouse head in his mouth :pwn:
and another time i looked out the window and saw him jump up and grab this bird in mid-air and proceed in eating it, was pretty fucked up
Reminds me of how i would find dead mice inside my shoes as a kid.
My cat loved me.
My old cat preferred to play with shrews and bees, the cat I have now was rescued from our allotment that she'd been living on for years was the same as well but now that she lives at home I think she's realised that there's no point in going back outside when there's food and people inside and that windows let sun through.
I taught my cat how to use the dog door, so now he occasionally comes in around 3am and starts whining in the kitchen, if you dare go in you'll often be greeted with the sight of him devouring a mouse or rat.
Also he puked up a bird once, beak, feet, and all.
Our cat got a few birds, though she didn't kill them, appears she just wanted to play with them.
Don't know about mouse though, never had problems with them in the first place.
[QUOTE=V12US;37148460]Maybe outside your house, but not inside. The wreck a lot of shit, dig holes through your stuff and leave behind bacteria, diseases, poop and other unhygienic shit. They have no bladders, so after drinking they leave a trail of piss wherever they walk. Fun times when they're in your kitchen.
We've had a mice infestation in my old house. Probably because our pet bird was messy and kept knocking seeds and stuff out of its cage on the floor below. Ever since, I can just -smell- whenever a house or a room has mice in them. They have a very specific, stinky smell.[/QUOTE]
Mice do have bladders that is a myth. They just pee a lot and don't do it in specific places.
My cat used to be fucking mass murderer, but since he lost a leg to fox traps in the fields nearby he just lies down and looks at the birds about 3 meters from him. It's kinda sad watching a cat that clearly wants to obey it's instincts just not being able to.
don't let our cats out, people that live around here beat and kick them whenever they see them in the street.
[QUOTE=Pinut;37173995]don't let our cats out, people that live around here beat and kick them whenever they see them in the street.[/QUOTE]
Where the hell do you live that has violent scumbags like that?
Also my cat's killed quite a few mice in her time; one time she killed one and our chickens ate it up.
wait, i've been reading all of you guys posts and now I want to kick my cat in the butt for doing nothing all day but shitting on my doorstep
fatstard even let a mouse run right in front of his god damn nose once, had to set up a mouse tap to catch it
It would be fine and dandy as long as my cats didn't leave pieces of whatever the hell they kill around the front door complete with a trail of blood.
Seriously, sometimes it looks like a murder scene.
cats are chill as fuck and i'm glad they're getting rid of the other pests in my house
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