Youtube TOS changes, basically allows no one to make money off their channels - Polidicks

Someone get pornhub on the phone, they're the only people I can think of that might actually try to make a youtube competitor. They've already got the foundation and they often seem to do experimental ideas they find from internet discussion.

So what prevents M-rated video games or 'controversial' games from getting classified under this too? Oh no, a player doing Walkthroughs with no commentary of Battlefield 1's campaign is now screwed because of the controversial topic of World War I and the violence and potential language contained in it. Granted, some of these videos likely aren't monetized, but someone like TotalBiscuit, who has his occasional swearing and does games of all sorts, could get hit because he tackles video game controversies and violent / mature games all the time. You can bet his sponsor isn't going to sit idly with their thumbs up their ass.

There goes everyone. Time to drop YouTube Red and just become a Roosterteeth sponsor.

[QUOTE=pith_;50981410]I want YouTube to fuck itself so catastrophically that people are given no choice but to create an alternative that addresses all of its horrible, horrible flaws. But, that will never happen, unfortunately.[/QUOTE] There's vimeo as an alternative to youtube.

I mean, if you want people to see your ads, maybe going after the majority of what shows them isn't the smartest move. How long until they call Youtube and start crying about it and want it back

[QUOTE=Zelle;50981599]There's vimeo as an alternative to youtube.[/QUOTE] I dont really like vimeo, does it even have monetization

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;50981575]If Wheaties gets their brand plastered all over some porno, soccer moms get angry and don't buy their product. Essentially this: Poor placement is just as bad as no placement.[/QUOTE] This is absolutely stupid. You would have to have clicked on the video in the first place in order to see the ad on the video. I fail to see how this is a valid argument. It's like clicking on a midget porn video and then claiming to be outraged that a generic unrelated ad is played before the aforementioned porn.

[QUOTE=RikohZX;50981582]So what prevents M-rated video games or 'controversial' games from getting classified under this too? Oh no, a player doing Walkthroughs with no commentary of Battlefield 1's campaign is now screwed because of the controversial topic of World War I and the violence and potential language contained in it. Granted, some of these videos likely aren't monetized, but someone like TotalBiscuit, who has his occasional swearing and does games of all sorts, could get hit because he tackles video game controversies and violent / mature games all the time. You can bet his sponsor isn't going to sit idly with their thumbs up their ass.[/QUOTE] Polaris and Machinima other content networks are undoubtedly on the phone with YouTube right now trying to figure shit out. I'm still not convinced that "advertiser-friendly" means that all the content must be kid-friendly and sanitized, especially since iDubbbz of all people was able to get monetization back just by removing vulgar keywords from his video titles. Someone covering a WWI video game with violent content isn't going to have all their monetization removed. I don't believe YouTube is stupid enough to remove advertisements from 80% of their most highly-watched and highly-advertised content. VEVO would [I]throw a fucking fit[/I] if "sexually explicit" music videos couldn't be monetized. So far, it seems mostly based on curse words in the titles of videos and explicit thumbnails, so that "The New Toyota Corolla" isn't placed next to "ASSBLASTING NEWFAGS IN BLACK OPS 3." But we'll see what happens as it goes on - content doesn't seem to be being policed or removed yet, and the wording of the TOS makes me doubt they're trying to ban bad words entirely. They'd be fucking idiots if they did.

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50981543]Waiting for TotalBiscuit and videogamedunkey to say something about this [/QUOTE] Totalbiscuit is busy with PAX at the moment, but he did say this on Twitter: [media]http://twitter.com/Totalbiscuit/status/771095982033469440[/media] [media]http://twitter.com/Totalbiscuit/status/771096204121894912[/media] [media]http://twitter.com/Totalbiscuit/status/771096395348606976[/media] [media]http://twitter.com/Totalbiscuit/status/771097009767981058[/media] [media]http://twitter.com/Totalbiscuit/status/771097262218969088[/media] [media]http://twitter.com/Totalbiscuit/status/771097436509134848[/media] [media]http://twitter.com/Totalbiscuit/status/771098194411397120[/media] [media]http://twitter.com/Totalbiscuit/status/771099359807152128[/media] [media]http://twitter.com/Totalbiscuit/status/771099420054224896[/media]

[QUOTE=.Isak.;50981624]So far, it seems mostly based on curse words in the titles of videos and explicit thumbnails, so that "The New Toyota Corolla" isn't placed next to "ASSBLASTING NEWFAGS IN BLACK OPS 3." But we'll see what happens as it goes on - content doesn't seem to be being policed or removed yet, and the wording of the TOS makes me doubt they're trying to ban bad words entirely. They'd be fucking idiots if they did.[/QUOTE] Well, the video at the top of the page got hit for controversial topic despite lacking curse words in the description and title, so while some reaction maybe a little kneejerky, it's obvious this is a wave of action that is intended to spread outwards past initial auto-detection stuff.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;50981632]I'm not saying it's valid. I'm saying this is the standard that the industry uses. Brother in law works for an advertising firm, and essentially spends most of his day making sure their products aren't being plastered on things that would make people associate said product with something "negative"[/QUOTE] It's valid for TV because the network is organizing both the content and the ads played along with it. For self chosen content it's absurd. Oh no these people that want to watch prank videos will look at these commercials negatively if they are played before prank videos. This is so fucking stupid, a better solution would be to have companies choose whether they want ads on unregulated channels, or only regulated channels.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;50981656]No I completely agree. But the advertising companies are dinosaurs at this point. They're extremely slow to adapt, and constantly using the same "show them the same ad 36 times" method. Ad companies are extremely.. bad.. at handling the internet. Mostly because they're run by older people who don't know how the internet actually works.[/QUOTE] Aren't all these numerous revenue-based companies and profit organizations ran by dinosaurs? The world's changing a lot and a lot of archaic money-making fools are still the ones in charge and often stomping their foot down in a tantrum to make things go their way against the wishes of most modern consumers.

Aaaaand this is the beginning of the end of Youtube as we know it.

Because we have to enforce safe-spaces, and not scare or offend people anymore! Seriously, I miss the internet of the early 2000's. Shit was the wildwest, and people were left to make smart and educated decisions. Now everyone has to have companies protecting them from the hurtful opinions of others instead of those individuals taking responsibility for their own viewing. Oh and I'm not sure if this can be related, but it seems that a good number of videos relating to general outdoorsmanship, butchering/cooking, and otherwise are having their monetization taken down for "violence". So not only is this effecting comedy channels, but it's also effecting groups which are teaching people how to fish, hunt, and cook. So much for being a place where educational material can flourish.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;50981675]Because we have to enforce safe-spaces, and not scare or offend people anymore! Seriously, I miss the internet of the early 2000's. Shit was the wildwest, and people were left to make smart and educated decisions. Now everyone has to have companies protecting them from the hurtful opinions of others instead of those individuals taking responsibility for their own viewing. Oh and I'm not sure if this can be related, but it seems that a good number of videos relating to general outdoorsmanship, butchering/cooking, and otherwise are having their monetization taken down for "violence". So not only is this effecting comedy channels, but it's also effecting groups which are teaching people how to fish, hunt, and cook. So much for being a place where educational material can flourish.[/QUOTE] Which is confusing to me - since the phrasing of the TOS really heavily implies that "informational and comedic" videos can have explicit content and still get monetized - just not titles/thumbnails. YouTube needs to phrase shit more clearly so content providers can know exactly how this shit will impact their livelihoods. The vagueness of their TOS updates are frustrating as shit. TB basically nailed it as usual.

Cr1TiKaL chimes in [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7ih3CmKkOs[/media]

[QUOTE=Cuon Alpinus;50981227]Patreon, ho![/QUOTE] rip small content creators; most people cant make anything off patreon

I see the Toy Channels are already taking over, just from the Up Next list of Cr1TiKaL's latest video [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/82JOx9f.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;50981656]No I completely agree. But the advertising companies are dinosaurs at this point. They're extremely slow to adapt, and constantly using the same "show them the same ad 36 times" method. Ad companies are extremely.. bad.. at handling the internet. Mostly because they're run by older people who don't know how the internet actually works.[/QUOTE] Huh, this is interesting. i've been using adblockers for so many years that I have no idea what you are talking about

[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;50981668]Aaaaand this is the beginning of the end of Youtube as we know it.[/QUOTE] Aaaaand in one month nobody will care or remember this.

Well fuck. This is probably even going to affect people who do let's plays of violent games.

Rip cr1tikal he'll be missed as he is crushed so hard by the force of youtube that his channel collapses and becomes a blackhole that swallows the internet.

Nerd3 covered what the hell is going on with youtube and has taken a different position than everyone else, seems like everyone is being a bit too jumpy at a policy that has already existed. Here is his explanation from his patreon [url]https://www.patreon.com/posts/youtube-sky-is-6658870[/url] That being said apparently the creator of 'Foamy the Squirrel' has had some of his videos de-monetized. But I guess we will just have to wait and see. Expect plenty of false positives.

[QUOTE=Gimme20dollaz;50981805][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Az7SlH1.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] Haha shit, so [i]literally nothing changed[/i], they just responded to complaints that their monetization policy was vague. That's perfect. YouTube's over, guys, pack up and leave.

[QUOTE=Gimme20dollaz;50981805][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Az7SlH1.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] Yes, big ups to youtube for making their already vaguely worded policy even more vague and overreaching.

[QUOTE=pentium;50981811]Aaaaand in one month nobody will care or remember this.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't be so sure about that, this changes almost everything about Youtube.

[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;50981668]Aaaaand this is the beginning of the end of Youtube as we know it.[/QUOTE]Lol stop being so dramatic, Youtube isn't going anywhere

[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;50981879]I wouldn't be so sure about that, this changes almost everything about Youtube.[/QUOTE] Except none of their actual policy changed and this has already been in effect for a long time.

[QUOTE=Killer900;50981915]Lol stop being so dramatic, Youtube isn't going anywhere[/QUOTE] That's not at all what he implied. Are you being dense on purpose? I usually don't have problems with your posts.

[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;50981879]I wouldn't be so sure about that, this changes almost everything about Youtube.[/QUOTE] I seem to recall that was the case the last few times they touched on how people got paid and monetized. There was a few weeks of people flinging shit around and telling their viewers to BE OUTRAGED! BE MAD! SUPPORT ME ON THESE OTHER SERVICES! Then everyone went back to the same old, same old. Also there are a lot of channels which are great and are not even on the radar for this. [QUOTE=VinLAURiA;50982037]I wonder if something like a decentrailized video service could ever take off. One where there isn't exactly one person or group of people corporate representatives can come up to and say, "So, I've got this wad of cash in one hand and a phone to our team of angry lawyers in the other and I'd like for you to choose which one I'm gonna hand you." Because YouTube has been in corporate pockets for years now.[/QUOTE] Back in the day we called them Pirate Television Stations. Before that it was Pirate Radio. The Cloud has proven that it can be rather hard to maintain a high-bandwidth system without some central point to the service.