North Korean Defector talks about Kim Jung Il's Oppression; he could read minds.
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[QUOTE=Helix Snake;44598206]I think North Korea would end up destroying itself if it entered an actual war. A lot of people in the country only do what they need to in order to survive. If a soldier without loved ones was put in a situation where they were basically told to do something suicidal, they'd probably end up killing their commanding officers.[/QUOTE]
All you'd need to do is convince your people that the enemy is heartless, bloodthristy, and scarier than you.
And that's probably not that hard for North Korea to do.
I wonder, should we really be afraid of what the NK could do?
As in, nuclear missiles and actual armaments for a war between countries?
Its almost unbelievable that there is a country like NK and that nobody does anything about it to help its people.
While DPRK has one of the largest armies in the world, their weapons and training is inferior and they can barely launch an orange over a fucking garden hedge. They are mostly harmless and could probably easily be taken down with a few surgercial strikes and some shelling.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;44600717]And this is based on what?[/QUOTE]
The Chinese army spends more time going through indoctrination than training. Its probably worse in NK.
It's almost spectacular or fascinating how North Korea lives in a completely different world.
It's like someone took every single Orwellian theme, and made it ten times worse. Public executions, millions starving, and politicians ripped apart by hungry dogs in plain view of the populace.
I'm starting to think that the atrocities committed by the North Korean government are reaching a point at which they are worse than those committed by the Nazis.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;44600717]And this is based on what?[/QUOTE]
They have constant food and material shortages.
Extrapolating further from this, I would predict that in the course of a war, they would quickly run out of the necessary material needed to manufacture shells, bullets, procure fuel, medical supplies, uniforms, spare parts for equipment and machinery, food, etc.
Not to mention wages for soldiers and the generals staff, taking care of attrition rates, moving all of these things around (their railways and road networks are a bit terrible), knowing where to go, etc.
In short, North Korea is completely unprepared for war. They put on the pretense of military power, but have very little actual military capabilities.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;44601073]I feel like if it was really as easy as us middle class internet users claim it to be, we would have already done it.[/QUOTE]
Well killing millions of people would be bad.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;44601073]I feel like if it was really as easy as us middle class internet users claim it to be, we would have already done it.[/QUOTE]
Because geopolitics is much more complicated than you make it out to be.
North Korea can't win a war.
But they are more or less a Chinese buffer state, so of course they continue to exist.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;44601240]Because geopolitics is much more complicated than you make it out to be.
North Korea can't win a war.
But they are more or less a Chinese buffer state, so of course they continue to exist.[/QUOTE]
Also, war is hard to justify if the other guy doesn't hit you first, like with Pearl Harbor or 9/11.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;44601240]Because geopolitics is much more complicated than you make it out to be.
North Korea can't win a war.
But they are more or less a Chinese buffer state, so of course they continue to exist.[/QUOTE]
No they continue to exist because they have the ability to severely damage and possible destroy Seoul, the 5th largest city in the world.
[QUOTE=WaRRioRTF;44597765]Jeez, it's scary to think that given the circumstances where no one can tell them otherwise, you can convince people that you're a god and not just a human being. And that they'll believe that long after you went out of their life, until enough people tell them otherwise.
Though, imho the most fucked bit is that the public executions, heck, the idea of a country executing their own civilians still exist.[/QUOTE]
It's like the kind of shit conspiracy theorist claims to be true in America actually happens in North Korea.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;44600791]I'm starting to think that the atrocities committed by the North Korean government are reaching a point at which they are worse than those committed by the Nazis.[/QUOTE]
It's arguable that it could almost be worse, because there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it without risking extreme global tensions involving a nuclear winter.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;44601240]Because geopolitics is much more complicated than you make it out to be.
North Korea can't win a war.
But they are more or less a Chinese buffer state, so of course they continue to exist.[/QUOTE]
They may not win a war, but they can pretty damn well ruin south korea, with all the guns pointing at seoul. And the immigration problem
This is just anti-DPRK propaganda!
Visit the following webpage for accurate information:
[url]http://www.korea-dpr.com/[/url]
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;44601073]I feel like if it was really as easy as us middle class internet users claim it to be, we would have already done it.[/QUOTE]Really it would be that easy to win a fight against North Korea, but the [i]consequences of winning[/i] would be difficult to deal with. North Korea has nothing good going for it, aside from the moral responsibility to unfuck the place, I'm not sure any country in the world would willingly want to deal with that shit if they had a choice. South Korea has trouble dealing with the paltry amount of refugees that escape North Korea, steps need to be taken to help the refugees make that transition. Basically the South Korean government (after vetting the refugees to weed out North Korean intelligence agents) basically lock them up in a school to give them a three month long crash course in how to live in a place that isn't ruled by batshit insane manchildren. A war with North Korea would mean an [i]entire country[/i] needs to be taught how to be normal.
Bottom line is, North Korea needs to be dealt with because it's fucked up, but nobody is dealing with it [i]because it's so fucked up.[/i]
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;44601793]No they continue to exist because they have the ability to severely damage and possible destroy Seoul, the 5th largest city in the world.[/QUOTE]
Except if they used their artillery on Seoul and other population centers instead of South Korean artillery positions, they'd quickly lose their guns, and very quickly be vulnerable to the South Korean military.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;44603921]Except if they used their artillery on Seoul and other population centers instead of South Korean artillery positions, they'd quickly lose their guns, and very quickly be vulnerable to the South Korean military.[/QUOTE]
To add upon that, most artillery units engage in mass barrages and strategic artillery strikes only when it is confirmed that their actions will remain uncontested. They would have to engage in counter-barrages with the NATO/UN/ROK artillery until it is confirmed that they can dedicate enough batteries for mass shooting of Seoul.
However, counter-artillery in modern warfare also extends to naval strikes(which the NK army cannot possibly protect itself from) and air strikes(whose choice of assets is somewhat decent for air superiority but is very deteriorated and inferior to what the US can deploy in general). There's also the issue of putting all your support units in static border defense positions. Even if they would "burn Seoul to the ground" they won't be able to conduct a rapid, successful, and effective offensive because all of their equipment is heavily entrenched in a specific strip of land.
Yeonmi Park is pretty hot.
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I heard her interview on BBC Radio 2 this lunchtime. It's really interesting - the more I learn about North Korea the more I want defectors like her to come forward and tell their story. It's one of the darkest corners of the planet and we really know nothing about what goes on there. I hate to think what crimes to humanity go untold about that state - it must be a parallel of living in a constantly war torn country, except that there is no war - but it is just that constant state of chaos and corruption that follows occupied nations. All the media coverage we see on North Korea - [URL="http://www.vice.com/the-vice-guide-to-travel/vice-guide-to-north-korea-1-of-3"]even that reported by Vice[/URL] - is censored. The government has such an iron grip on its people and all people in their borders that if they didn't want the outside world to see something or a foreigner to go somewhere - they could damn well make sure they don't! The reports by Vice are probably the closest thing to the truth we have right now but still, I feel that there is much [I]much[/I] more we as a Western world do not know about North Korea.
There's a mini iron curtain in North Korea, stronger than the first. I personally believe that when they fall we'll discover something akin to Nazi Germany's concentration camps and shit like that. Most of the visitors to North Korea mostly see shit set up by the government, choreographed to make people believe things are fine. I don't know how any human could continue to live this way without thinking things have to be better outside.
[QUOTE=Marksman117;44606051]There's a mini iron curtain in North Korea, stronger than the first. I personally believe that when they fall we'll discover something akin to Nazi Germany's concentration camps and shit like that. .[/QUOTE]
We already know about that stuff.
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[QUOTE=Saturn V;44599089]I just wish U.S or some other nation would do surgical strikes against these concentration camps.[/QUOTE]
Because blowing up all the people we want to save is going to help :downs:
[QUOTE=The mouse;44597744]I think that North Korea has actually managed to be worse than Airstrip one in 1984. Atleast in 1984 there were a [B]class of plebs who lived in relative freedom.[/B][/QUOTE]That's most of the outside world too be fair. You know, not doing anything and just sending angry letters.
[QUOTE=Valiantttt;44598127]It would be basically needing to kill like [B]1 million[/B] or so of brain washed soldiers.[/QUOTE]
If you ask me it makes it easier to kill them because there's really no hope for these guys. It's not like you are going to be able to rehab them, they're a lost cause at that point. Just keep up the fire.
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[QUOTE=Sobotnik;44603921]Except if they used their artillery on Seoul and other population centers instead of South Korean artillery positions, they'd quickly lose their guns, and very quickly be vulnerable to the South Korean military.[/QUOTE]
That artillery is installed as a MAD measure. They know damn well they won't actually win against anyone. If they fire, they fire on civilian centers as a "I'm taking you with me" deal before doing who knows what. My guess is that they have plans for fighting as guerrillas once they retreat into the country itself.
Not that it would likely work.
They don't have a plan for war. North Korea will never invade the South.
[QUOTE=B!N4RY;44598994]More like 1954[/QUOTE]
Read more.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;44601793]No they continue to exist because they have the ability to severely damage and possible destroy Seoul, the 5th largest city in the world.[/QUOTE]
It's incredibly hard to destroy a city with artillery believe it or not. Especially when said artillery would be the target of any aircraft the South Koreans and their allies have almost immediately.
i think we're less concerned about the artillery and more about the nukes
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