Passenger refuses body scan & pat down- records incident on phone.
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Man what a rebel I bet he really made a difference like in the movies
[QUOTE=KingKombat;26092171]Man what a rebel I bet he really made a difference like in the movies[/QUOTE]
People doing things like this actually do cause change. While one man doing it may look like an idiot, but hundreds doing it would get attention.
[editline]16th November 2010[/editline]
There are some pilots unions in the US that are completely against it. You can't say they have no effect.
It seems like this guy was taken for a pat down randomly if other people were just going through metal detectors. Kinda like how luggage is scanned randomly.
[QUOTE=kidwithsword;26089229]The guy's a jerk. The agent seemed to be very polite with him, offering him a private area to be pat down in, and the guy just threatens to have him arrested. Does everyone these days just assume that defying authority (an authority that is there for the protection of civilians) is "cool"? He tries to make it seem like he was the righteous one in the situation, but he was just being a dumbass.[/QUOTE]
while i wont ever use those body scanners ( and i dislike the idea of a pat down ) you have a point
[editline]16th November 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;26090523]Terrible, awful, despicable philosophy. I'll leave you to figure out why because it has been stated many times before.
Well the fourth amendment is a viable argument against these scanners, since they are being performed by a government agency and the government is not allowed to perform unreasonable searches.
And you can't argue that "you don't have to use air travel" because it is the only option to travel overseas and the ability to leave the country is a right afforded to all Americans.[/QUOTE]
agreed
[editline]16th November 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=Heroms;26090811]That's completely different, Zeddy.
There are other way to make sure that the airports are safe that don't involve invading our privacy.
Also, do you honestly think someone carrying a bomb or a gun will even try to get through the airport security? It would be much easier for them to walk into a mall and blow that up. The "War on terror" doesn't exist and you're all blindly defending it, losing all of your rights in the process.[/QUOTE]
Yep :(
Don't the damn sniffers (machines that blow you with air and then analyze it) do a fine job at finding bomb residue and metal detectors do a fine job at finding metal? We have both at San Diego international, why not use those instead? There should be alternatives to this somewhere...
[QUOTE=doomkiwi;26092911]Don't the damn sniffers (machines that blow you with air and then analyze it) do a fine job at finding bomb residue and metal detectors do a fine job at finding metal? We have both at San Diego international, why not use those instead? There should be alternatives to this somewhere...[/QUOTE]
Cured meats = False Positive
Fire a gun in the last 7 days ^
Goto a bar downtown? ^
[QUOTE=ineedateam1;26092932]Cured meats = False Positive
Fire a gun in the last 7 days ^
Goto a bar downtown? ^[/QUOTE]
Then put them through that first, I'd rather have the chance of returning a false positive and THEN have my junk touched under suspicion rather than my junk touched without any evidence, as shaky as it may be. It's kind of like taking an HIV test, sure they return some false positives, but it's not like it really harms you to take it and it doesn't return false negatives, so if it comes back false you're clear.
By the way, I have never had the sniffer go off on me, and I'm an avid traveler, been through that thing at least 7 times.
[QUOTE=Hunterdnrc;26089076]In all honesty, he should have just fucking gone with the flow.[/QUOTE]
That's kind of not the point.
I'd like to see a legitimate argument against these scanners, all I've read so far is "hurr durr PRIVACY RIGHTS VIOLATED" and yet their life will not be changed in any manner [I]whatsoever[/I] by using them.
Please, give one me one good reason. Why do you, specifically, not like these? Say what you want, I bet deep down you're just self-conscious.
[editline]16th November 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=doomkiwi;26092970]Then put them through that first, I'd rather have the chance of returning a false positive and THEN have my junk touched under suspicion rather than my junk touched without any evidence, as shaky as it may be. It's kind of like taking an HIV test, sure they return some false positives, [B]but it's not like it really harms you to take it and it doesn't return false negatives, so if it comes back false you're clear.[/B][/QUOTE]
If the same is true about these scanners, why take the extra step and waste time/money?
[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;26093060]life will not be changed in any manner [I]whatsoever[/I] by using them.[/QUOTE]
it also will not change if you dont use them as well and not using them does not cost money
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;26090646]Naw man, you're losing rights but gaining security! It's an even trade, right?[/QUOTE]
Wasn't it Ben Franklin who said "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety... ARE TOTALLY AWESOME."
Guy in OP is a prick.
I would refuse the body scan but I would comply with the frisking. I wouldn't do the scan, not because of fear of private invasion but due to the fact I do not want to be unecessarily exposed to X-rays. They are mutagens and they can cause problems within Germ-line and Somatic cells. Although the chance of getting cancer would be very low from one of these machines, I wouldn't want to be exposed to it because there is always the chance that the X-rays could interfere with DNA replication and cause jumping genes to move position and promote uncontrolled growth, causing cancer.
Nobody at airport security cares that they can see your genitals. It's just their job.
So what's the problem?
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;26093120]Wasn't it Ben Franklin who said "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety... ARE TOTALLY AWESOME."[/QUOTE]
I'd take safety over liberty any day.
[QUOTE=Pythagoras;26093290]
I'd take safety over liberty any day.[/QUOTE]
and this is why America is failing
not to mention its the same way fascism starts
[QUOTE=johan_sm;26089582]Or he just didn't want his dick touched by some stranger.[/QUOTE]
Okay seriously, what the fuck? A pat down is a professional search. Do you think the gate security workers [I]WANT [/I]to stick their hands between your greasy thighs? It is just as unpleasant for them as it is for you. The difference is they are mature enough to look past the implications society has put on the act and do it.
I fly 4 times a year, have been through two of the "Nude-Scopes" and have been patted down the other two times. The security guard was respectful and I did the same in return.
Get the fuck over it. It's not like you have something they have not seen before.
[QUOTE=Pythagoras;26093290]I'd take safety over liberty any day.[/QUOTE]
You're the type that'll say this one day then bitch about fascist commie nazis born in Kenya the next
[editline]16th November 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;26093367]Okay seriously, what the fuck? A pat down is a professional search. Do you think the gate security workers [I]WANT [/I]to stick their hands between your greasy thighs? It is just as unpleasant for them as it is for you. The difference is they are mature enough to look past the implications society has put on the act and do it.
I fly 4 times a year, have been through two of the "Nude-Scopes" and have been patted down the other two times. The security guard was respectful and I did the same in return.
Get the fuck over it. It's not like you have something they have not seen before.[/QUOTE]
Security guards are like cops with less oversight. And we all know how totally professional cops are.
[QUOTE=Errorproxy;26092992]That's kind of not the point.[/QUOTE]
What, pray tell, is the point? I understood his refusal to go through the Xray over health implications, but are you telling me the gate security guards have radioactive hands? What were the health risks of being subjected to a pat down?
[editline]15th November 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;26093384]
Security guards are like cops with less oversight. And we all know how totally professional cops are.[/QUOTE]
Fairly professional in my experience, I know many.
[QUOTE=Pythagoras;26093290]I'd take safety over liberty any day.[/QUOTE]
The actual end of that quote was "deserve neither liberty nor safety."
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;26093396]What, pray tell, is the point? I understood his refusal to go through the Xray over health implications, but are you telling me the gate security guards have radioactive hands? What were the health risks of being subjected to a pat down?[/QUOTE]
You ever been tapped in the balls a little too hard?
[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;26093510]You ever been tapped in the balls a little too hard?[/QUOTE]
By someone at gate security? No. I've had my penis patted though by accident [boxer briefs had put a bit too far to the side]
The guard apologized when I jumped and continued the pat down.
Airports aren't Technically part of the country so American laws don't apply there
He could either be properly disputing it.
Or hiding the fact that he has a small penis.
It's interesting reading FP's reactions on giving up individual liberties, it's like cows heading to the slaughter.
You're pretty fucking stupid if you think he did to "fight the powah!". Try reading the article before posting.
[QUOTE=Zeddy;26089978]Every god damn time I try and type something to post for this thread, I get a massive fucking headache and I want to break my fucking keyboard. People like this guy piss me the hell off, and the people in this thread defending him or bitching about the body scanners piss me off. I just got back from a week long trip I didn't really want to go on and spent eight hours in flight dealing with the most annoying people ever. I had to deal with these things and I didn't give a fuck. I don't care that some random TSA jackass might have seen my dick. I don't know them, and I'm not so overly fucking proud that I care if they see it. You know, I might have a problem if it were my sister or my grandmother, but even then I'm not going to be an ass to the people doing their jobs and trying to make shit a little safer for everyone.
And don't give me that shit about "Those who would give up a little freedom for a little security deserve neither freedom nor security." bullshit. That was 200 years ago when the concept of an airplane would have had you ridiculed by everyone and their dog. But more importantly, the concept is both naive and ridiculous. We give up a little freedom when we put up doors and walls. We give up a little freedom with laws against drinking and driving. You can not have unlimited freedom and still maintain society. It is better to lose a little now but keep a lot in the long run than keep everything now, but lose most of it later.
Would you rather that people be allowed to drive while drunk or not. On the one hand, you have the freedom to drink freely and drive yourself around but run the risk of killing innocent people. On the other, you can't drink and still drive freely, but now a family returning home from dinner with the grandparents gets to live and see tomorrow and you can always drink tomorrow. Your choice. Freedom or Security.[/QUOTE]
The thing is, they will keep adding more and more shit that inconveniences you. It's not about being seen naked, it's about being guilty until proven innocent. If I am forced to go through these things next time I fly a plane, I will strip naked right there and spread my asshole for them so they can have an easier time checking. Hopefully it will be out where all the kids are with their parents.
I'll shit on the security guards (not literally) but more like: "Hey, I hope you like making near minimum wage feeling various penises."
Fuck that, I'm not going on a plane until they get rid of this shit, no where I have to go is that important. I'll just fucking drive, where the only bad thing that happens is I might have to fork over 50 cents on a toll road.
Maybe trains will become a popular means of transportation again, though it won't be long until they do the same security measures to make sure no banditos try to rob the train.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;26093440]The actual end of that quote was "deserve neither liberty nor safety."[/QUOTE]
Or the shorter, concise version, also by Ben Franklin: "Those who sacrifice freedom over safety deserve neither"
[QUOTE=johan_sm;26089335]I am against these shitty measures. I would never undress in an airport. Removing shoes is a big enough hassle, undressing is fucking terrible.[/QUOTE]
Holy mother of god just die.
The procedures are there for a reason.
[editline]16th November 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;26093384]You're the type that'll say this one day then bitch about fascist commie nazis born in Kenya the next
[editline]16th November 2010[/editline]
Security guards are like cops with less oversight. And we all know how totally professional cops are.[/QUOTE]
Seriously Zeke, you are just so full of bullshit I sometimes wonder if it is possible to take you seriously.
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