• Passenger refuses body scan & pat down- records incident on phone.
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People who keep saying to deal with it are being dumb, they're just going to slap on more security measures in the future. Planes aren't going anywhere, you don't have to settle for this, if they realize how big of a mistake it is to hassle people like this they will stop doing it. It's not like we have that many plane incidents every year that the security to get on a plane has to be this big of a deal.
If those body scans are as hazardous as people claim, then pretty much the terrorists won.
[QUOTE=CharadesV2;26096417]It's not like we have that many plane incidents every year that the security to get on a plane has to be this big of a deal.[/QUOTE] You can't be serious. [QUOTE=ZekeTwo;26090523] And you can't argue that "you don't have to use air travel" because it is the only option to travel overseas and the ability to leave the country is a right afforded to all Americans.[/QUOTE] [img]http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2008/06/Ship_Profile_w_Name_R.jpg[/img] You were saying? [QUOTE=ZekeTwo;26090523] Well the fourth amendment is a viable argument against these scanners, since they are being performed by a government agency and the government is not allowed to perform unreasonable searches. [/QUOTE] Okay, lemme just sneak a bomb onto a plane and see if you still think it's unreasonable.
BTW has any of you heard of anyone getting catched by these things?
[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;26089877]Too bad the x ray scanners aren't dangerous.[/QUOTE] :frogdowns:
[QUOTE=Benjamin Franklin]Anyone who gives up freedom for security is to win in the end both lose.[/QUOTE]
I hate the idea of the new scanners. Aside from the fact that it lets everyone see what I look like (which is the very reason I wear clothes in the first place.) Theres also the relation between x-rays and cancer, and they think its OK to do this? Screw planes, I'd much rather enjoy seeing the land on a train now. Much less of a hassle.
Don't fly then its a privilege not a right
[QUOTE=ineedateam1;26092932]Cured meats = False Positive Fire a gun in the last 7 days ^ Goto a bar downtown? ^[/QUOTE] You can also shower before your flight to get rid of most of those. I'd certainly hoped the guy crammed next to me on that MD80 would be polite enough to shower before he gets on board. [editline]16th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. N;26096370]Holy mother of god just die. The procedures are there for a reason.[/QUOTE] And what IS that reason? Like the blogger said. Passengers have stopped every terrorist attack in the US since 9/11. The security systems at the airports are obviously a joke. [editline]16th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=ChilColdCoolaid;26096467]If those body scans are as hazardous as people claim, then pretty much the terrorists won.[/QUOTE] I'd say so... [img]http://www.drudgereport.com/tsa.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;26089787]What I don't like is that the images are stored. If they were saved in volatile memory and wiped at the end of the day I'd be more okay with it. (But not entirely)[/QUOTE] The images will be destroyed straight away, say the authorities
[QUOTE=Ridge;26097775]You can also shower before your flight to get rid of most of those. I'd certainly hoped the guy crammed next to me on that MD80 would be polite enough to shower before he gets on board. [editline]16th November 2010[/editline] And what IS that reason? Like the blogger said. Passengers have stopped every terrorist attack in the US since 9/11. The security systems at the airports are obviously a joke. [editline]16th November 2010[/editline] I'd say so... [img_thumb]http://www.drudgereport.com/tsa.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] Tell me were you got that from, security scans and patdowns have stopped bombs before, and it also caught countless numbers of hard drugs. If you deny this your are really damned ignorant.
[QUOTE=Maucer;26097917]The images will be destroyed straight away, say the authorities[/QUOTE] Not the ones that they take pictures of with their phones.
o no not drugs they're destroying the morals of our society
[QUOTE=Mr. N;26097986]Tell me were you got that from, security scans and patdowns have stopped bombs before, and it also caught countless numbers of hard drugs. If you deny this your are really damned ignorant.[/QUOTE] Source?
A society with unlimited freedom is sadly impossible. It would be possible if people werent corrupt and/or didn't give a shit what other people believed and went on with life minding their own business and being responsible. But since we live in a day and age where assholes (like osama) say that their way is right and everyone else's is wrong...its impossible to bring about total freedom and peace.
You wish that they had TSA in Middle School and High School to prevent school shootings.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;26097997]o no not drugs they're destroying the morals of our society[/QUOTE] Heroin and Speed are cool right. I wasn't not talking about shit like weed.
This guy is just looking for attention. First sign is that he had his phone on to record the incident. Besides that, he broke federal law by not completing his security check once he started. The machines can't send or save the images they take, and pat down really shouldn't be that big of a deal unless you are a homophobe or deeply closeted individual.
What people don't realize is that they're giving up a little bit of personal freedom, and personal privacy, for the security of everybody else. I've always felt that protecting personal freedom, even when it could be a detriment to more people than yourself, is just selfish.
[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;26089877]Too bad the x ray scanners aren't dangerous.[/QUOTE] Ill reply to this because of the disargee and dumb ratings. These body scans deliver from 0.1 to max 5 microsevierts of radiation. Just by walking outside you absorb almost 10 microsevierts of radiation daily because of backround radiaton.
[QUOTE=Pythagoras;26098159]What people don't realize is that they're giving up a little bit of personal freedom, and personal privacy, for the security of everybody else. I've always felt that protecting personal freedom, even when it could be a detriment to more people than yourself, is just selfish.[/QUOTE] Uh, it's not like just you are sacrificing your liberty for safety. EVERYONE sacrifices their liberty.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;26098191]Uh, it's not like just you are sacrificing your liberty for safety. EVERYONE sacrifices their liberty.[/QUOTE] And yet if one person gets more rights than they're entitled to, for the sake of selfish liberty, everybody else could be put in harms way.
What are people who are transgendered and not "out" yet supposed to do, if they don't want complete strangers or people they know with them to know what genitals they have?
[QUOTE=Pythagoras;26098252]And yet if one person gets more rights than they're entitled to, for the sake of selfish liberty, everybody else could be put in harms way.[/QUOTE] Wait, what? If one person gets more rights than they're entitled to? Rights apply to everyone and you are entitled to them by definition of the term "right." You aren't making any sense.
[QUOTE=Pythagoras;26098252]And yet if one person gets more rights than they're entitled to, for the sake of selfish liberty, everybody else could be put in harms way.[/QUOTE] And who are you to determine what rights they are entitled to?
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;26098404]Wait, what? If one person gets more rights than they're entitled to? Rights apply to everyone and you are entitled to them by definition of the term "right." You aren't making any sense.[/QUOTE] I think you missed his point. Either that or you couldn't counter it, so you did that. He's saying that if one person if able to go through security without the checks it could endanger everyone else.
[QUOTE=dogmachines;26098482]I think you missed his point. Either that or you couldn't counter it, so you did that. He's saying that if one person if able to go through security without the checks it could endanger everyone else.[/QUOTE] Which is why I'm not arguing that only one person should be able to go through It's not a terribly difficult argument to counter
[QUOTE=dogmachines;26098482]I think you missed his point. Either that or you couldn't counter it, so you did that. He's saying that if one person if able to go through security without the checks it could endanger everyone else.[/QUOTE] But if we continue to let them take away our freedoms and our privacy a little bit at a time, eventually we will have neither.
I love the way people started changing their opinion on this about half way down the first page.
[QUOTE=Ridge;26098679]But if we continue to let them take away our freedoms and our privacy a little bit at a time, eventually we will have neither.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure the "slippery slope" is a good argument against airport security. For fuck sake, it's a pat down. It's not like they check your rectum and are required to search your house for bomb making supplies so you can get on the plane. It's a basic thing that makes sure you don't have a weapon or some related item. If you loosen security you make it easier for people to sneak these items through. In a perfect world we wouldn't need security measures like this, but this is not a perfect world, there are people out there who would kill you given the chance. You can either ignore them and ease security or acknowledge the threat before they tear you a new asshole.
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