• Passenger refuses body scan & pat down- records incident on phone.
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[QUOTE=GunFox;26102158]Radiation is cumulative. The more times you go through, the more radiation you accrue and the higher the chance that you will receive a small point mutation in your DNA that is replicated before your DNA repair systems have a chance to cut it out and replace it with the proper nucleotide. If that mutation happens to retask the enzymes produced by the DNA, or simply inhibit its growth restrictions in any fashion, then you have a tumor. Radiation, however small, IS NOT A HAPPY THING.[/QUOTE] That's my main concern about these things. I wouldn't be so skeptical if they where actually safe, but in reality they're not. I personally have been traveling all over the world and using air travel before I could even walk. Never have I've had to go though bullshit like this body scanner and a full pat down in the name of "security." They're getting more and more power, the only thing I've ever had to go though once that was very abnormal for regular security was a small booth that blew air out and tested if you've been handling explosives. I can't remember the name of it but that was all it did. I don't think anyone deserves to go though that, it is an invasion of privacy. There will always be sheep that say get over it, it is for the greater good. But what would happen if they ran around with a mobile version of this? They started to do scans of your home, your car, all in the name security. The media has played on this "TERRORISM" thing for so long that people are becoming paranoid and willing to roll over and let people slowly steal away certain rights and freedoms. The only terrorist here is the TSA and people that allow equipment like this to be used. Yes extremism is a real threat, but let me ask you this..what kind of extremism? All these extreme measures in the name of security? I'm not trying to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but think about it..
[QUOTE=Telepethi;26100706] Uhm excuse me no. A [I]dental[/I] xray can dose up to 9000 microsevierts. That only focuses on a small part of your body. Even the smallest dose of dental xray is 30 microsevierts, and those are barely used. So you're incredibly wrong. Imagine how powerful the xrays they're focusing over your entire body are. [/QUOTE] You couldn't be any more wrong. First of all, an average dental xray is 1.5 microseiverts. An full abdomen CT scan is 10,000 microsieverts. These X-Ray scanners put out at the most .02 microsieverts. [url=http://www.unscear.org/unscear/en/publications/2000_1.html]While average yearly dose for an public airline pilot is far greater than that of a NPP worker[/ur]. Lethal limits are around 6,000,000 microsieverts, while radiation sickness begins around 1,000,000 microseiverts. So lets do the math: Full body TSA X-Ray scanner is .02 microseiverts. Limit where radiation sickness begins 1 seivert. So: 1,000,000/.02=50000000. A passenger would need to fly around 50000000 flights before he gets radiation sickness, given that his body doesn't repair any damage caused by the machines. Another 300000000 until death from radiation exposure. So unless you fly very, very much, these scanners pose little to no risk against anyone's life. Sources: [url=http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126833083]NPR[/url] [url=http://www.nrc.gov/about-nrc/radiation/around-us/doses-daily-lives.html]NRC[/url] [url=http://www.unscear.org/unscear/en/publications/2000_1.html]UNSCEAR 2000 vol. 1[/url]
[QUOTE=MR-X;26109782]There will always be sheep that say get over it, it is for the greater good. But what would happen if they ran around with a mobile version of this?[/QUOTE] For what it's worth, he had the option to go through, or get patted down. If it was me, I'd gladly take the pat down over the machine. It's the guys job and I'm sure he doesn't enjoy touching countless men's groins. (Well...) But the moment that things like that scan are mandatory is the moment our freedom is gone.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;26106541][img_thumb]http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/4/2010/11/c410f9622e8436da180fc29cb2a969fc/340x.jpg[/img_thumb] That's just a small version of it. I'm sure the TSA could leak higher resolution photos if they wanted to.[/QUOTE] Now THAT is creepy as fuck.
[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;26110886]You couldn't be any more wrong. First of all, an average dental xray is 1.5 microseiverts. An full abdomen CT scan is 10,000 microsieverts. These X-Ray scanners put out at the most .02 microsieverts. [url=http://www.unscear.org/unscear/en/publications/2000_1.html]While average yearly dose for an public airline pilot is far greater than that of a NPP worker[/ur]. Lethal limits are around 6,000,000 microsieverts, while radiation sickness begins around 1,000,000 microseiverts. So lets do the math: Full body TSA X-Ray scanner is .02 microseiverts. Limit where radiation sickness begins 1 seivert. So: 1,000,000/.02=50000000. A passenger would need to fly around 50000000 flights before he gets radiation sickness, given that his body doesn't repair any damage caused by the machines. Another 300000000 until death from radiation exposure. So unless you fly very, very much, these scanners pose little to no risk against anyone's life. Sources: [url=http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126833083]NPR[/url] [url=http://www.nrc.gov/about-nrc/radiation/around-us/doses-daily-lives.html]NRC[/url] [url=http://www.unscear.org/unscear/en/publications/2000_1.html]UNSCEAR 2000 vol. 1[/url][/QUOTE] EVERY TIME you go through that machine it mutates your DNA. Cells can't resist mutations from radiation for shit. UV radiation constantly causes kinks in your DNA, but the body is generally well adapted to fix the specific types of mutations which are caused by UV radiation. X-rays however are not nearly as well understood by the body and causes mutations which are not as readily repaired. Basically the sun will randomly give you cancer (skin) in spite of millions of years of evolution reinforcing mammal cells to defend against it. With that in mind, how much of a defense do you think we have against X-rays? Radiation sickness isn't the issue, it's CANCER.
Especially since radiation exposure is cumulative. It doesn't matter how large the initial dose is, what matters is that each time you go through one of these, it's an extra dose of radiation you would have otherwise never been exposed to. I fly pretty frequently and so do my parents. Each time I go through one of these scanners is going to increase my risk (however minute it is) to some cancer later on in my life. I've been patted down at airports before and they don't bother me at all. Luckily I haven't been to an airport where this is in place. If I do ever fly to one of these I'll refuse and be more than happy to cooperate with officials as to other forms of security checks (short of a strip search).
0:40 seconds in this clip [url]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=972_1262283908[/url] You can clearly see private parts in the scans...
Oh the people on facepunch how you all agree to have your rights violated and think that it is okay in the name of "anti terrorism" then again I shouldn't be surprised seeing as most facepuncher are teenagers who just don't give a shit about politic..and are mostly dumb
So pretty much everyone here is afraid of being seen naked, and/or touched by a person that couldn't care less that they are feeling the crotch of your trousers. If you don't make a scene nobody else will.
HAHAHAHAAAA! "I'd like only my wife and maybe my daughter to touch me there"
[QUOTE=anarchist;26125018]HAHAHAHAAAA! "I'd like only my wife and maybe my daughter to touch me there"[/QUOTE] "I'd only like to see my wife and maybe my DOCTOR touch me there"
[QUOTE=Edthefirst;26121060]Especially since radiation exposure is cumulative. It doesn't matter how large the initial dose is, what matters is that each time you go through one of these, it's an extra dose of radiation you would have otherwise never been exposed to. I fly pretty frequently and so do my parents. Each time I go through one of these scanners is going to increase my risk (however minute it is) to some cancer later on in my life. I've been patted down at airports before and they don't bother me at all. Luckily I haven't been to an airport where this is in place. If I do ever fly to one of these I'll refuse and be more than happy to cooperate with officials as to other forms of security checks (short of a strip search).[/QUOTE] Do they offer the pat-down in place of the body scanner? Like for people who just won't do it?
I see where the website fucked up but he is still just being a douche. No one wants to sexually assault anyone at the air port. This is a standard and secure protocol. Why not just get the scan if you don't want a pat? People are honestly making this into a huge ordeal when its a simple 5 minute procedure that helps ensure you and everyone else on the plane remains safe. If we had this back during 9/11 then perhaps disaster could have been avoided. This guy probably has one testicle or something. The scanners do give off small radiation but unless your flying daily like a pilot then it shouldn't be a problem. Also, why are people so afraid of doing a private strip search? It's someone seeing your dick for 5 minutes whom you'll probably never seen again and who equally probably doesn't give a shit about you. Grow up please.
[QUOTE=Mr. N;26100422]Yet you use this as a rebuttal. What.[/QUOTE] Playing on someone's political beliefs is a lot classier than telling someone to die.
"Go with the flow" is fucking stupid, the system shouldn't rely on the insane belief that everyone is the same and can be treated the same. There are plenty of ways to get any job done that takes in mind all the minorities that are in play, it's just easier to ignore the problem and force them through by embarrassing them. Anyone who thinks this guy is a douche has obviously never been in situation where they were forced to do something they really weren't comfortable with, for absolutely no logical or objective reasoning, without any disclosure.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;26106541][img_thumb]http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/4/2010/11/c410f9622e8436da180fc29cb2a969fc/340x.jpg[/img_thumb] That's just a small version of it. I'm sure the TSA could leak higher resolution photos if they wanted to.[/QUOTE] I can see his dick and testicles and ass in pretty high detail. Airport security does not need to see this. If it can show metal plates in the bone, it can show the outline of a metal gun through underware. [editline]17th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=johan_sm;26107038]What, are his lower leg bones made out of metal?[/QUOTE] He probably has a metal rod in them. Sometimes if you break your leg bones and it's bad enough they have to put metal in or around them for them to heal properly.
[QUOTE=Alyx Zark;26128525]I see where the website fucked up but he is still just being a douche. No one wants to sexually assault anyone at the air port. This is a standard and secure protocol. Why not just get the scan if you don't want a pat? People are honestly making this into a huge ordeal when its a simple 5 minute procedure that helps ensure you and everyone else on the plane remains safe. If we had this back during 9/11 then perhaps disaster could have been avoided. This guy probably has one testicle or something. The scanners do give off small radiation but unless your flying daily like a pilot then it shouldn't be a problem. Also, why are people so afraid of doing a private strip search? It's someone seeing your dick for 5 minutes whom you'll probably never seen again and who equally probably doesn't give a shit about you. Grow up please.[/QUOTE] Because both options are invasive. I don't want to see some high school dropout working for the government cup my balls, nor do I want them to have a high res picture of my junk. I especially don't want to have to go through all that just so that I can pay an airline hundreds of dollars to be treated like cattle as they cram me and 150 other people into a 757 and maybe throw half a can of soda and a bag of doritos at me....
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