• DoS Tool Designed to HealthCare.gov discovered
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[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;42801039]Not if you don't keep the cache and ask for a complete copy every time, assuming there aren't any intermediate cache servers in your ISP or whatnot. And it's trivial to do that if you're writing a custom tool.[/QUOTE] It's also very trivial to feed anyone rapidly rerequesting pages error messages. This would make it less effective than LOIC, though it relies on the site not being run by a bunch of monkeys. Your guess is as good as mine on that one.
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;42805589]It's also very trivial to feed anyone rapidly rerequesting pages error messages. This would make it less effective than LOIC, though it relies on the site not being run by a bunch of monkeys. Your guess is as good as mine on that one.[/QUOTE] Given the website's performance so far, I'm not sure that its state at launch could be described as "hardened" and "feature-rich".
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;42800586]I was going to say, doesn't the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act make DOS'ing a felony? It makes practically everything else one, can't imagine DDOS'ing a government website is going to be treated kindly.[/QUOTE] Nothing would make my day more than some teapartiers getting thrown in jail for DDOS'ing the ACA website. Kind of surprised nobody apparently saw this coming. The contractor behind this whole project is a fucking joke.
How is this at all effective? It downloads a complete web page (and displays it apparently) over and over, that can't be more effective than a tool like LOIC can it?
[QUOTE=toaster468;42799564]Whoever told you that is extremely biased. People only get fined if they do not get health insurance which is most commonly young adults who are in good health and they pay a $95 fine. But if you cannot afford healthcare and you want healthcare you get government subsidies. Also keep in mind what we have now, if you cannot afford healthcare, sure, you do not pay a bill for it, but when you really need it and you are now $100k in debt you are shit out of luck and you will probably die. With the ACA the government is trying to alleviate the stress on the lower class.[/QUOTE] You only pay $95 for the first year. It then jumps to $325, then $695.
[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;42805653]God damn Redneck Programmers, I don't understand why anyone would oppose universal healthcare, specially so strongly like it's happening, America's individualist culture baffles me often[/QUOTE] It's not universal healthcare. It's government endorsed health care. One is free to the people, and is regulated. The other is a reduced price because the government pays a chunk of it, but isn't as regulated. So basically you're fucked over if the only health care program you can get is shit. Which in most cases it's really shit. It's a baby step in the right direction though. But that doesn't mean I'm agreeing with DDoSing the obamacare site, that's bat shit retarded.
[QUOTE=mobrockers;42805634]How is this at all effective? It downloads a complete web page (and displays it apparently) over and over, that can't be more effective than a tool like LOIC can it?[/QUOTE] Even less so. This is basically like opening up healthcare.gov and holding down F5.
How to get agrees on Facepunch: Blame everything that's wrong in America on every Republican. Since when did having a particular political stance make you a terrible person? The problem isn't the Republicans in the Government it's the fact that every person in politics is corrupt. Democrat, Republican, or Independent it doesn't matter. They are all corrupt. And yet at the end result, the only thing Facepunch can do is blame Republicans. I betcha I'll get a lot of dumbs and no actual reasonable argument that states otherwise.
[QUOTE=Fausty;42806982]How to get agrees on Facepunch: Blame everything that's wrong in America on every Republican. Since when did having a particular political stance make you a terrible person? The problem isn't the Republicans in the Government it's the fact that every person in politics is corrupt. Democrat, Republican, or Independent it doesn't matter. They are all corrupt. And yet at the end result, the only thing Facepunch can do is blame Republicans. I betcha I'll get a lot of dumbs and no actual reasonable argument that states otherwise.[/QUOTE] Actually, you make a very good point. There are most likely a few Republicans who would be more than upset at this. Not sure about the idea that the entire government is corrupt, though.
[QUOTE=Cheshire_cat;42807013]Actually, you make a very good point. There are most likely a few Republicans who would be more than upset at this. Not sure about the idea that the entire government is corrupt, though.[/QUOTE] You're right. I was wrong on immediately blaming every person in politics. However I can safely say that everyone in Congress, Senate, and any other high power position is very corrupt. As for Mayors and other lower positions I can't say that they are all corrupt.
[QUOTE=Fausty;42807026]You're right. I was wrong on immediately blaming every person in politics. However I can safely say that everyone in Congress, Senate, and any other high power position is very corrupt. As for Mayors and other lower positions I can't say that they are all corrupt.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure why this would be a surprise to anyone. I've never understood where this idea of government workers just wanting to help people came from, maybe the brainwashing of calling them 'public servants?' Most private employees do more to serve the public than government employees in my experience. The minimum wage barista at my local Starbucks gives me much better service than the well paid DMV worker down the street.
[QUOTE=sgman91;42807225]I'm not sure why this would be a surprise to anyone. I've never understood where this idea of government workers just wanting to help people came from, maybe the brainwashing of calling them 'public servants?' Most private employees do more to serve the public than government employees in my experience. The minimum wage barista at my local Starbucks gives me much better service than the well paid DMV worker down the street.[/QUOTE] When the Senate and Congress were first made they were purely there to make the country a better place. Those who worked there saw it as a burden and treated it seriously. After their term, they went back home and returned to their original job. Nowadays when you get into Congress or the Senate you simple sit on your ass, get paid, and ruin the country. When you go home, you never have to work again, you get paid till you die. Being Congressman or Senator must be a lot of fun.
[QUOTE=sgman91;42807225]I'm not sure why this would be a surprise to anyone. I've never understood where this idea of government workers just wanting to help people came from, maybe the brainwashing of calling them 'public servants?' Most private employees do more to serve the public than government employees in my experience. The minimum wage barista at my local Starbucks gives me much better service than the well paid DMV worker down the street.[/QUOTE] Y'know, we really need to start calling them out on the "public servant" thing.
[QUOTE=Fausty;42806982]How to get agrees on Facepunch: Blame everything that's wrong in America on every Republican. Since when did having a particular political stance make you a terrible person? The problem isn't the Republicans in the Government it's the fact that every person in politics is corrupt. Democrat, Republican, or Independent it doesn't matter. They are all corrupt. And yet at the end result, the only thing Facepunch can do is blame Republicans. I betcha I'll get a lot of dumbs and no actual reasonable argument that states otherwise.[/QUOTE]You're not really making a solid argument, just going "They're all bad! Middle Road! Middle Road!"
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;42807308]You're not really making a solid argument, just going "They're all bad! Middle Road! Middle Road!"[/QUOTE] So you disagree that Democrats, along with Republicans cause problems? If you agree that both sides are causing the problems then there is no base for your claim that I am just taking the middle road.
[QUOTE=sgman91;42807225]I'm not sure why this would be a surprise to anyone. I've never understood where this idea of government workers just wanting to help people came from, maybe the brainwashing of calling them 'public servants?' Most private employees do more to serve the public than government employees in my experience. The minimum wage barista at my local Starbucks gives me much better service than the well paid DMV worker down the street.[/QUOTE] Democracy, when done right, gives people a government that's more reliable to not fuck you over than private corporations. The difference between the DMV and Starbucks is that the DMV will get paid whether you choose to go there or not. Now, if you had actual direct control over your local DMV through a voting system, instead of a voting system that only allows you to vote for the boss of the boss of the boss of the boss of the entire state's DMV program, you'd actually be able to get good service there without the risk of a private corporation fucking you over because profits are still more important that customer satisfaction. [editline]9th November 2013[/editline] [quote]But if one company has the ability to make loads of money by undercutting the competition they aren't going to buddy up with another company to keep the status quo.[/quote] How many times does this have to happen before libertarians will stop saying it will never happen? In almost every industry there's a certain amount of infrastructure you have to have in the first place in order to successfully compete. For some industries (cable companies for instance), that amount is so high that there's almost no way for new competition to pop up and undercut the guys ripping everyone off, no matter how little government regulation there is. The only way to prevent people being ripped off is to have it socialized, or hope that some existing huge company will expand into that market (Google Fiber). The second of those is not always guaranteed to happen. Capitalism works best when there's a good or service where it's a good thing for a company to make you want to buy it. When it's something you absolutely need that companies will use to extort you (Health Care) or something that shouldn't be allowed to expand solely for the sake of profit (Prisons, the military, the police, etc.) it's best that it's socialized. In other cases, when there's a danger that something will sell based on something other than the merits of the good or service (false advertising) or when there's the possibility that something will cause a significant risk of injury or illness (almost any good or service), regulation is needed. These are the reasons that a complete "free market" economy will never be ideal.
[QUOTE=Fausty;42807330]So you disagree that Democrats, along with Republicans cause problems? If you agree that both sides are causing the problems then there is no base for your claim that I am just taking the middle road.[/QUOTE]They are nowhere near equivalent. No one is perfect and its unreasonable to expect perfection, but you can expect a damn sight better than what the GOP does. Your "EVERYONE IS BAD" garbage is a hallmark execution of the middle-road fallacy. It's trying to put them all at the same level, when they absolutely are not.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;42807391]They are nowhere near equivalent. No one is perfect and its unreasonable to expect perfection, but you can expect a damn sight better than what the GOP does. Your "EVERYONE IS BAD" garbage is a hallmark execution of the middle-road fallacy. It's trying to put them all at the same level, when they absolutely are not.[/QUOTE] Except they absolutely are. It's all about greed. You can say the GOP is causing all of our problems all you want but you did not give an example. I have yet to ever meet someone that can give an actual reason as to why one side is worse than the other. When it comes to money, both sides will do whatever gets them the biggest cut. Nowadays it's become their job to bicker at each other and disagree on systems because they feel their political side would disagree with a certain system and the other side agrees with that system. You personally agree with a system, then when the other side doesn't vote yes on it, you blame them for every other problem that exists because you can't think of any other reason. Both sides are absolute shit and it's all opinions on who's better. You try to call me out on going middle-road and yet you instantly lean to the left with nothing to back it up at all. You are not giving any reasons whatsoever. "LEFT GOOD, RIGHT BAD," is not a valid reason.
[QUOTE=Fausty;42807682]Both sides are absolute shit and it's all opinions on who's better.[/QUOTE] If it's "all opinions on who's better" then both sides being shit may as well also being an opinion. Also, I never, ever hear the "both sides are equally bad" spiel from someone who doesn't lean far to the right economically.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;42799934]The free market works GREAT! if the other insurance companies are actually in competition and they aren't offering similar prices because they all tend to work together.. oh wait they are. and no, I'd rather not pay for something i'd NEVER use; like OB services, because i'm NEVER GOING TO NEED THAT COVERAGE.[/QUOTE] If only cancer patients pay for cancer treatments, they're still going to end up in crippling debt and end up dying sooner than they would if treated properly. Why is this so fucking hard for americans to accept? The reason your country is fucked to hell and back is BECAUSE of your selfish obsession of "me me me me me FUCK YOU". Help out your fellow man for once. [editline]9th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Fausty;42807682]Except they absolutely are. It's all about greed. You can say the GOP is causing all of our problems all you want but you did not give an example. I have yet to ever meet someone that can give an actual reason as to why one side is worse than the other. When it comes to money, both sides will do whatever gets them the biggest cut. Nowadays it's become their job to bicker at each other and disagree on systems because they feel their political side would disagree with a certain system and the other side agrees with that system. You personally agree with a system, then when the other side doesn't vote yes on it, you blame them for every other problem that exists because you can't think of any other reason. Both sides are absolute shit and it's all opinions on who's better. You try to call me out on going middle-road and yet you instantly lean to the left with nothing to back it up at all. You are not giving any reasons whatsoever. "LEFT GOOD, RIGHT BAD," is not a valid reason.[/QUOTE] Human rights. Your move.
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;42799135]I am a brit so excuse my ignorance but isn't 'ObamaCare' just an american NHS, where tax money helps those who can't afford healthcare? Seems silly to DDoS something that helps people.[/QUOTE] From what i understand the plan has switched from private to public healthcare and the public healthcare is not as good, and anyone who had health insurance is getting a crapper deal with obamacare.
[QUOTE=Sword and Paint;42808356]From what i understand the plan has switched from private to public healthcare and the public healthcare is not as good, and anyone who had health insurance is getting a crapper deal with obamacare.[/QUOTE] No, it's still 100% private sector. The Public option was scrapped long ago. I wish it wasn't.. A public option would have set a standard far stronger than any amount of oversight and regulation could. This is possibly why it was removed, it was a threat to the private sector industry and they payed for politicians to remove it.
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