Woman Who Assembles iPads Shown iPad for First Time in Her Life
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A bunch of the parts in my pc are made by Foxconn.
I don't give a fuck, it's how the world works.
[QUOTE=Bobie;34585247]everything with fox in its name is awful and abusive
huh[/QUOTE]
Not Starfox
[QUOTE=Captain Lawlrus;34585451]Call me insensitive, but I couldn't care less about who makes my products and at what rate they're paid. Foxconn employees aren't [b]enslaved[/b] and it's not like it's the only employment opportunity in China.[/QUOTE]Debatable.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;34584031]I'm thoroughly checking to see if any electronics I purchase in the future have any components manufactured by FoxConn, and I suggest you all do the same.
If it does, I'm not purchasing a product. That's how a consumer protests and shows their dissatisfaction.[/QUOTE]
First people to suffer from it will be the workers of FoxConn
[QUOTE=ewitwins;34584251]Wow, shit.
You know what? I think I'm gonna stick to it. I haven't needed to buy any new electronics for quite some time and most of my hobbies and activities don't require it. The least we can do is put the word out about the conditions of the factories and who purchases and utilizes Foxconn products.[/QUOTE]
Why is this guy getting so many dumbs? If more people would think of others' lives before their own luxury, it wouldn't have to be this way.
Its horrible but one thing I don't think people realize is that if Apple, Microsoft and all these other companies stopped using Foxconn these people would be even worse off. These people are working because they need the money to support families, not because they need an extra dollar. If we suddenly pulled out of these places those people would starve because they wouldn't be able to get work. I know its wrong that we exploit these people like this, but if we just stop using them we would potentially cause more even problems and screw the workers over even more.
[QUOTE=Marik Bentusi;34585981]Why is this guy getting so many dumbs? If more people would think of others' lives before their own luxury, it wouldn't have to be this way.[/QUOTE]
Because he won't stick to it.
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;34585995]Its horrible but one thing I don't think people realize is that if Apple, Microsoft and all these other companies stopped using Foxconn these people would be even worse off. These people are working because they need the money to support families, not because they need an extra dollar. If we suddenly pulled out of these places those people would starve because they wouldn't be able to get work. I know its wrong that we exploit these people like this, but if we just stop using them we would potentially cause more even problems and screw the workers over even more.[/QUOTE]
If we don't stop supporting the industry it will never get better for these people. It isn't like China doesn't have the industry or resources to pay their workers fair wages. They enslave these people because they are encouraged to, by us.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;34586021]If we don't stop supporting the industry it will never get better for these people. It isn't like China doesn't have the industry or resources to pay their workers fair wages. They enslave these people because they are encouraged to, by us.[/QUOTE]
It's not [del]"China"[/del] Taiwan as a country, it's factories within it. The problem is the Taiwanese work place regulations (And overall treatment of it's own people), and those won't change any time soon.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;34584031]I'm thoroughly checking to see if any electronics I purchase in the future have any components manufactured by FoxConn, and I suggest you all do the same.
If it does, I'm not purchasing a product. That's how a consumer protests and shows their dissatisfaction.[/QUOTE]
Here's some companies that are foxconn's clients:
Acer Inc. (Taiwan)
Amazon.com (United States)
Apple Inc. (United States)
ASRock (Taiwan)
Asus (Taiwan)
Barnes & Noble (United States)
Cisco (United States)
Dell (United States)
EVGA Corporation (United States)
Hewlett-Packard (United States)
Intel (United States)
IBM (United States)
Lenovo (China)
Logitech (Switzerland)
Microsoft (United States)
MSI (Taiwan)
Motorola (United States)
Netgear (United States)
Nintendo (Japan)
Nokia (Finland)
Panasonic (Japan)
Philips (Netherlands)
Samsung (South Korea)
Sharp (Japan)
Sony Ericsson (Japan/Sweden)
Toshiba (Japan)
Vizio (United States)
[editline]7th February 2012[/editline]
So good luck with that!
There's suicides all the time from people complaining about all sorts of things in life, and Foxconn's workforce is larger than that of some countries.
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Why do companies use foxconn?
Because they're cheaper than other manufacturers.
They have 920,000 employees.
There net income is $2.2 Billion.
That is a very, very low income for the company considering the workforce involved.
If they divided that net income across the employees, each one would get £2391, which frankly isn't much at all.
This leads me to believe that Foxconn is pretty much running as cheap as manufacturers can get, and I think they're most likely doing the best they can to keep the employees as satisfied as possible and shouldn't really be held responsible for some suicides.
It's not like you blame a town if someone who lives there commits suicide, right?
[QUOTE=Bobie;34585247]everything with fox in its name is awful and abusive
huh[/QUOTE]
Not Firefox.
You can't really do much about Foxconn's conditions here except abandoning technology altogether. Let's just hope China improves its working conditions over the years.
Foxconn is aiming for 1000000 robot workers by the end of 2014, which is good news, I think.
The way that guy at the end who said "You want to buy one? Hahahahahah!" I know he was making a joke, but it came off as insensitive to me. He knows that she can't afford one, she's a factory drone! And he laughs!
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;34586782]
This leads me to believe that Foxconn is pretty much running as cheap as manufacturers can get, and I think they're most likely doing the best they can to keep the employees as satisfied as possible and shouldn't really be held responsible for some suicides.
It's not like you blame a town if someone who lives there commits suicide, right?[/QUOTE]
multinational corporations shouldn't be held responsible for their human rights atrocities and the slavery that is cheap labour? conditions which breed, in the extreme, suicide, but in every other case the suffering of the 'employees' and their entire families for which they're completely unable to provide the basic necessities of life, just because the corporation sells it's commodities cheaply to other multinationals?
not only should the system that allows for the existence of the market, corporations, businesses and CEOs be abolished, the CEOs of these massive corporations should be trialled and jailed for life/executed for their crimes against humanity. although what they're doing is a result of capitalism, it makes the disgusting, abhorrent rational self-interest of the capitalist no less worthy of a bullet to the head.
[editline]7th February 2012[/editline]
liberals like you will be first against the wall.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;34584251]Wow, shit.
You know what? I think I'm gonna stick to it. I haven't needed to buy any new electronics for quite some time and most of my hobbies and activities don't require it. The least we can do is put the word out about the conditions of the factories and who purchases and utilizes Foxconn products.[/QUOTE]
Might want to stop using the internet, too. All the backbone services and the servers the websites run on use foxconn parts :v:
The real people to blame here are the taiwanese government. Why are they allowed to get away with what they do?
[QUOTE=Karlos;34588964]multinational corporations shouldn't be held responsible for their human rights atrocities and the slavery that is cheap labour? conditions which breed, in the extreme, suicide, but in every other case the suffering of the 'employees' and their entire families for which they're completely unable to provide the basic necessities of life, just because the corporation sells it's commodities cheaply to other multinationals?
[b]not only should the system that allows for the existence of the market, corporations, businesses and CEOs be abolished[/b], the CEOs of these massive corporations should be trialled and jailed for life/executed for their crimes against humanity. although what they're doing is a result of capitalism, it makes the disgusting, abhorrent rational self-interest of the capitalist no less worthy of a bullet to the head.
[editline]7th February 2012[/editline]
liberals like you will be first against the wall.[/QUOTE]
Go live in your fantasy world where there's no market, corporations, businesses and CEOs.. Do you really think that's even possible?
About the suicides, Foxconn had 14 workers suicides in 2010 but we can't forget they are 920,000+.
In USA alone there's =~12 suicides per 100.000.
It's not a surprise to see a number like that at Foxconn. It's still a terrible situation, but the problem is deeper than Foxconn work methods, there's this huge unemployment rate, there are tons of people that don't know how to do specialized work besides working on a factory.
Also, what are you going to do to those thousands when you replace them all with machines? I don't see it as very good alternative.
Wasn't this the company that installed anti-suicide nets on the sides of the buildings?
Someone should seriously buy her one. :v:
[QUOTE=Bobie;34585247]everything with fox in its name is awful and abusive
huh[/QUOTE]
Hey now, That hurts.
It's not just Foxconn, Foxconn is only one of many producers in china, Vietnam, Thailand and Taiwan who have just as bad of conditions. Anything manufactured in Asia, excluding Japan and S. Korea, is done so with these sorts of conditions. It's a race to the bottom there, and the incentive to get to the bottom is provided by our companies, who get their incentives from us. Wage slavery over there, fetishism of the commodity over here.
[editline]7th February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=bunguer;34589625]G
About the suicides, Foxconn had 14 workers suicides in 2010 but we can't forget they are 920,000+.
In USA alone there's =~12 suicides per 100.000.
It's not a surprise to see a number like that at Foxconn. It's still a terrible situation, but the problem is deeper than Foxconn work methods, there's this huge unemployment rate, there are tons of people that don't know how to do specialized work besides working on a factory.
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That's successful suicides. They have nets around their buildings because people attempt it so often. 300 of their employees threatened a mass suicide just recently because of some deal I forget.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;34584031]I'm thoroughly checking to see if any electronics I purchase in the future have any components manufactured by FoxConn, and I suggest you all do the same.
If it does, I'm not purchasing a product. That's how a consumer protests and shows their dissatisfaction.[/QUOTE]
They don't care
Sorry to burst your rebel bubble
[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;34585927]Debatable.[/QUOTE]
Yep, they're basically legal slaves. If they try to do anything, like get caught in an interview, they get punished. Obviously they have a lot of shit to hide.
[QUOTE=Page Not Found;34584069]Good luck with that.
Acer Inc.
Amazon
[B]Apple Inc.[/B]
ASRock
Asus
Barnes & Noble
Cisco
Dell
EVGA Corporation
Hewlett-Packard
Intel
IBM
Lenovo
[B]Microsoft[/B]
MSI
Motorola
Netgear
Nintendo
Nokia
Panasonic
Samsung
Sharp
Sony
Sony Ericsson
Vizio[/QUOTE]
Time to get Linux!
[QUOTE=yawmwen;34586021]If we don't stop supporting the industry it will never get better for these people. It isn't like China doesn't have the industry or resources to pay their workers fair wages. They enslave these people because they are encouraged to, by us.[/QUOTE]
Look to history; sweatshops are the stepping stone from developing to developed.
No sweatshops = no industry = regression back to agricultural society, where you toil in fields all day, which has just as bad of working conditions as sweatshops if not worse.
[editline]7th February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Karlos;34588964]multinational corporations shouldn't be held responsible for their human rights atrocities and the slavery that is cheap labour? conditions which breed, in the extreme, suicide, but in every other case the suffering of the 'employees' and their entire families for which they're completely unable to provide the basic necessities of life, just because the corporation sells it's commodities cheaply to other multinationals?
not only should the system that allows for the existence of the market, corporations, businesses and CEOs be abolished, the CEOs of these massive corporations should be trialled and jailed for life/executed for their crimes against humanity. although what they're doing is a result of capitalism, it makes the disgusting, abhorrent rational self-interest of the capitalist no less worthy of a bullet to the head.
[editline]7th February 2012[/editline]
liberals like you will be first against the wall.[/QUOTE]
The amount of ignorance in this post in almost unbearable.
Clearly you have some "better" idea of how to run things; lets hear it.
I just wished that this wasn't the case, though sad that I just keep getting things that were made in China and such. What a joke that people say that Slavery has ended, it just keeps on going in countries that produce things for us. Well I would be happy to sped some more money just so these people could have a better lives, after all what is a 25% increase of expenditure when someone can live better.
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;34595418]Time to get Linux![/QUOTE]
So you're going to get a Linux computer made from parts that are not from foxconn? Good luck!
[QUOTE=Ezhik;34586693]Here's some companies that are foxconn's clients:
Acer Inc. (Taiwan)
Amazon.com (United States)
Apple Inc. (United States)
ASRock (Taiwan)
Asus (Taiwan)
Barnes & Noble (United States)
Cisco (United States)
Dell (United States)
EVGA Corporation (United States)
Hewlett-Packard (United States)
Intel (United States)
IBM (United States)
Lenovo (China)
Logitech (Switzerland)
Microsoft (United States)
MSI (Taiwan)
Motorola (United States)
Netgear (United States)
Nintendo (Japan)
Nokia (Finland)
Panasonic (Japan)
Philips (Netherlands)
Samsung (South Korea)
Sharp (Japan)
Sony Ericsson (Japan/Sweden)
Toshiba (Japan)
Vizio (United States)
[editline]7th February 2012[/editline]
So good luck with that![/QUOTE]
Some of those have (Citation Needed). MAYBE THERE IS HOPE IN THIS WORLD?
[sub]I always wondered where the parts for the combine advisors.. Foxxcon is to blame for the suspense in ep2![/sub]
If I could Id get her one
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