Man in my town Banned from Walmart for Life for Ad matching - Polidicks

[QUOTE=woolio1;43131958]Walmart is a retailer. While they may have some control over their supply chain, they themselves do not produce items. The 'Store Brand' is not produced by the Walmart corporation, but rather licensed by them from several smaller manufacturers. They do not run sweatshops, the sweatshops just make things for them.[/QUOTE] walmart has a massive amount of influence in their supply chain, don't be ridiculous. the buyer places massive restrictions on the ability for factories to improve standards by paying the absolute bare minimum in order to maximize profit margins (which then gets turned into cheaper prices for consumers which turns into local businesses getting put out of business). look into any basic CSR / BHR manual. walmart - and any other transnational company - has a huge influence over managerial and factory standards abroad. they claim they don't so that they don't have to do anything to fix it. [editline]10th December 2013[/editline] if you actually do want to educate yourself, csr is the acronym for corporate social responsibility, and bhr is business human rights. a good resource is amartya sen, shareen hertel, etc. both are great. [url]http://heinonline.org/HOL/Page?handle=hein.journals/mljilt24&div=24&g_sent=1&collection=journals#286[/url]

[QUOTE=Aznsniper911;43131846]If I remember correctly, at least in the California Security Guard Handbook/Test, they could detain you only if they have witnessed the crime happen, thus plain clothes so they can physically see the crime happen, but as working part time with the police department has nothing to do with the guidelines security guards have. The rulebook in California states that a security guards job is to first prevent any crime happening and second if the crime does happen, you observe and report then hand that to the police. The entire book/test is online if you want to read it sometime, I only read it because I wanted to become a security guard.[/QUOTE] Walmart has loss prevention associates or LPA's for short. They usually operate cameras and detain shoplifters. Most of the time cops are not called after a person is detained, however information is taken from the person who shoplifted and they're sent a civil recovery bill. Its more or less a fine that the store can bill a persons who has been shoplifting. Depending on the amount the police can be called, but most places don't waste time. They're more or less trying to prevent shit from leaving the store. LPAs do wear regular clothing and can do floor surveillance as well and work in hand with the camera operators. As for this article it sounds like they just had a shit fit about him and when he tried to argue it they simply called the cops.

Another installment of "Wal-Mart Eats a Dick" [editline]10th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;43132731]Shop where then? Small stores are on a heavy decline and have been for years. Integrated supermarkets are pretty much taking over.[/QUOTE] I shop anywhere but Wal-Mart. If it costs more.. fine. Dollar stores, thrift stores, specialty shops. Anyplace. Given a choice between groceries from the convenience store or wal-mart, I'll go to the convenience store. My motivation is spite for the criminal managers at my local stores, but that's anecdotal and not really a reason for the whole company to burn (though I would enjoy that very much.)

ITT: This thread goes EVERYWHERE but the topic.

[QUOTE=pentium;43137812]ITT: This thread goes EVERYWHERE but the topic.[/QUOTE] Isn't the topic "I Hate Wal-Mart Bandwagon"? It's a half-story. All it says is that the guy was arrested, but doesn't state a charge, so it's like a novel, where we are left to speculate about some details. Speculation can go anywhere, but if you mention wal-mart, speculation is going to lead to hate, and derailed threads .. and the dark side and stuff..

[QUOTE=Gfoose;43132049]Okay so, I don't live in America, but I would assume Walmart has CCTV installed. Why don't they review the CCTV footage of the man and see whether his actions were indeed threatening towards management, and if this is false, charge the management with false accusations? I'm sure false accusations are illegal and Walmart head department would find this issue serious?[/QUOTE] In the news report both the station and supposedly the man arrested contacted Walmart about a video. Neither had a response by that point. Its probably something Walmart will withhold until the court date.

[QUOTE=Badunkadunk;43131652]Doesn't Wal-Mart have security? Why'd he have to call the cops. Seems like someone's side isn't being told here honestly...[/QUOTE] Wal Mart's security consists of some person who physically can barely put dishes in a dishwasher or some old disabled guy at the door, and when needed calls the police. A perfect example is that Jack Vale video where he farted at Target and got punched. Security came and stood there doing nothing waiting on the police. That's pretty much all department stores They can't actually do anything, anyway. If this guy was arrested and has a court date, it's because of something else, not Price Matching Wal Mart is 99% amazing for people who need a one stop shop to get stuff relatively cheaper than anywhere else, but under the hood they're scumbags. Taking the recent collapse and death of people that make products for their store as another example, and they wouldn't even chip in for compensation

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OP's article was updated to say that he threatened employees, so that changes things.

[QUOTE=WildCard;43141439]Hello! I wanted to offer up some additional info This video was taken today after a second interview with abc15 in AZ... Chris is risking his job steppin up to tell the truth, he's being threatened to be fired if he spoke with any news media. Chris is the cashier Joe was dealing with that day.. Thanks! [url]http://youtu.be/x7vymEFgleE[/url] [url]https://www.facebook.com/justice4joe[/url][/QUOTE] I hope chris is a codename. [editline]11th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Ivef;43140264][IMG]http://puu.sh/5IKJD.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] Wasn't arrested for price matching, he was arrested for "threatening behaviour"

I'll shop at Walmart anyways because I'm not sure if I'm at liberty to give a shit what happens at another Wal-Mart. If something happened at my Wal-Mart, that's different.

[QUOTE=Gordy H.;43131672]Wal-Mart security are just there for looks. They can't physically restrain you or try to keep you in the store, or even physically force you to leave. All they can do is take note of your activity and report it to the police when they arrive.[/QUOTE] There is something in common law called the "Shopkeepers privilege". If a store employee suspects you of shoplifting they can detain you in a reasonable manner for a reasonable amount of time. So... Wal-Mart rent-a-cops ARE allowed to detain you, although, they couldn't tackle you, throw you, strike you, or put you in a room for hours. They CAN however keep you in the store until real authorities arrive or until you prove you haven't shoplifted.

[QUOTE=Llamaboy9;43146771]There is something in common law called the "Shopkeepers privilege". If a store employee suspects you of shoplifting they can detain you in a reasonable manner for a reasonable amount of time. So... Wal-Mart rent-a-cops ARE allowed to detain you, although, they couldn't tackle you, throw you, strike you, or put you in a room for hours. They CAN however keep you in the store until real authorities arrive or until you prove you haven't shoplifted.[/QUOTE] What part do you guys not get, they're not rent a cops. They're loss prevention. Every store has them, other companies have them. They're regular store associates but they do loss prevention duties, which can be detaining shoplifters, enforcing OSHA and safety rules, etc. They called the police on this guy and had him removed. Totally different things.

[QUOTE=TheTalon;43140053]Wal Mart's security consists of some person who physically can barely put dishes in a dishwasher or some old disabled guy at the door, and when needed calls the police. A perfect example is that Jack Vale video where he farted at Target and got punched. Security came and stood there doing nothing waiting on the police. That's pretty much all department stores They can't actually do anything, anyway. If this guy was arrested and has a court date, it's because of something else, not Price Matching Wal Mart is 99% amazing for people who need a one stop shop to get stuff relatively cheaper than anywhere else, but under the hood they're scumbags. Taking the recent collapse and death of people that make products for their store as another example, and they wouldn't even chip in for compensation[/QUOTE] Thats not how it works at all. The most door greeters and cart pushers are allowed to do is to stop someone at the door and ask for their receipt if they think that they're shop lifting. They're allowed to hold onto the cart but if the person gets violent they're supposed to just let the person go. It's better for them to lose $150 worth of goods than to lose a $150,000 lawsuit because of injuries. They're not hired on for security purposes and they're not meant or allowed to play the role of rent-a-cop. Thats not their job and they're under no obligation to do it. Most of the time you will never actually see wal-marts security. The people walking around with walkie-talkies aren't security personal, they're just managers and store associates. Wal-mart's security that works on the main floor are all plain-clothes people and they're not going to stop someone unless they know for absolute sure that someone is shoplifting. Most of the other security people are going to be working in the back watching monitors. Walmart's security isn't about stopping a guy with a handgun or to hunt down shop lifters, it's all about loss prevention. It's to make sure somebody doesn't walk out with a dozen new-release blu-rays or a brand new TV.

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;43145613]I hope chris is a codename. [editline]11th December 2013[/editline] Wasn't arrested for price matching, he was arrested for "threatening behaviour"[/QUOTE] Yeah, but he was [B]banned[/B] from walmart for ad matching.

From the name of this thread, I thought the guy with the dancing Mordecai avatar posted this

As someone who has been arrested for shoplifting at Walmart, I can confirm that the security is plain clothes walking the main floor. They usually wear blue-tooths and dress in ridiculously 'off' attire so that they fit in with customers. One of them here usually sports a motorcycle jacket. They aren't allowed to detain you unless you consent, nor are they allowed to touch you at all. My lawyer, in the situation, told me I was an idiot for not running, because they will never pursue you once you're out the door. And to confirm, any merchandise that is stolen is marked off by management, or if it's retrieved, simply retagged and stocked again. Nobody loses money from their paycheck for stealing, at least nobody on the floor such as a cashier. Cashiers are not even allowed to confront you if you're stealing and they see you, in fact, in a lot of cases, they're usually reprimanded for doing so. Loss prevention on the other hand does lose out on incentives. They mainly only get a 'bonus' if they catch a lot of shop lifters. They don't lose anything out of their paycheck. In every Wal-Mart store, two LP guards are on-duty at all time. They are not always walking the floor, but are in most cases found in an Office at the front of the store at one of the two primary entrances. Inside the room, there are usually four computer monitors hooked up to only four cameras at a time throughout the store (usually electronics). There is also a camera in the LP office to take photos of detainees for permanent banning of Walmart, and to make sure LP doesn't fall asleep on the job. Oh, you'll also probably find it interesting that the cameras outside are never viewed, and in fact only there for 'looks' unless the camera is being directly viewed through a monitor. The cameras do not record data for more than a night or two. Source: Permanently banned from every Wal-Mart, Walgreens, and Sam's Club on the planet (Literally). [editline]12th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Swamplord;43132830][editline]10th December 2013[/editline] Something just doesn't seem right[/QUOTE] Once you're arrested at Wal-Mart, you're automatically banned for life. He was more than likely arrested for trespassing. The only way out is to have a judge revoke Wal-Mart's decision, which never happens if you actually committed a crime.

[QUOTE=Ivef;43150602]Yeah, but he was [B]banned[/B] from walmart for ad matching.[/QUOTE] No, he was [b]banned[/b] for threatening the cashier and/or manager. [editline]12th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=stupidass;43152683]Nobody loses money from their paycheck for stealing, at least nobody on the floor such as a cashier. Cashiers are not even allowed to confront you if you're stealing and they see you, in fact, in a lot of cases, they're usually reprimanded for doing so. [/QUOTE] Not true. If shit gets stolen, everyone loses money out of their bonus. If there was no penalty for shrink, why would anyone take the extra time to stop someone from shoplifting from a corporate megastore? [editline]12th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=stupidass;43152683]My lawyer, in the situation, told me I was an idiot for not running, because they will never pursue you once you're out the door.[/QUOTE] Not true.

[QUOTE=stupidass;43152683]As someone who has been arrested for shoplifting at Walmart, I can confirm that the security is plain clothes walking the main floor. They usually wear blue-tooths and dress in ridiculously 'off' attire so that they fit in with customers. One of them here usually sports a motorcycle jacket. They aren't allowed to detain you unless you consent, nor are they allowed to touch you at all. My lawyer, in the situation, told me I was an idiot for not running, because they will never pursue you once you're out the door. And to confirm, any merchandise that is stolen is marked off by management, or if it's retrieved, simply retagged and stocked again. Nobody loses money from their paycheck for stealing, at least nobody on the floor such as a cashier. Cashiers are not even allowed to confront you if you're stealing and they see you, in fact, in a lot of cases, they're usually reprimanded for doing so. Loss prevention on the other hand does lose out on incentives. They mainly only get a 'bonus' if they catch a lot of shop lifters. They don't lose anything out of their paycheck. In every Wal-Mart store, two LP guards are on-duty at all time. They are not always walking the floor, but are in most cases found in an Office at the front of the store at one of the two primary entrances. Inside the room, there are usually four computer monitors hooked up to only four cameras at a time throughout the store (usually electronics). There is also a camera in the LP office to take photos of detainees for permanent banning of Walmart, and to make sure LP doesn't fall asleep on the job. Oh, you'll also probably find it interesting that the cameras outside are never viewed, and in fact only there for 'looks' unless the camera is being directly viewed through a monitor. The cameras do not record data for more than a night or two. Source: Permanently banned from every Wal-Mart, Walgreens, and Sam's Club on the planet (Literally). [editline]12th December 2013[/editline] Once you're arrested at Wal-Mart, you're automatically banned for life. He was more than likely arrested for trespassing. The only way out is to have a judge revoke Wal-Mart's decision, which never happens if you actually committed a crime.[/QUOTE] Clearly you're more ignorant on the subject then normal, would explain why you would try to shoplift anyway. If you steal something and get away with it a store is at a loss. It lost the actual cost of the item. All that adds up and basically is removed from the bottom line. Theft is extremely easy to track because of simple numbers and yearly inventory. The higher the shrink the less money the store made (They do leave a small percent for regular errors and other possibility). AND YES stealing does REMOVE money from the associates pockets. Every year employees at walmart get BONUS checks, if inventory is bad they get less money because the store did not make as much. Then another factor that affects store associates. If stores are making less money, and you add theft the loss is even greater. Hours start getting cut and people work less, the people that do work have to work harder and then things get really shitty. I honestly can't stand people who shoplift, what gives you the right to do so? Seriously, what in your mind makes it okay to steal? What makes me laugh is people who steal and get caught try to play out the technicality and arm chair legal mumbo jumbo that don't mean shit.

[QUOTE=MR-X;43154467] I honestly can't stand people who shoplift, what gives you the right to do so? Seriously, what in your mind makes it okay to steal? What makes me laugh is people who steal and get caught try to play out the technicality and arm chair legal mumbo jumbo that don't mean shit.[/QUOTE] People think theft from big corporate megastores like walmart and target are victimless crimes, like the only people who get affected are the ones at the top who lose a few cents of their million dollar bonuses, as opposed to stealing from a mom&pop shop that directly affects everyone working in the store. When in actuality, theft from a walmart store affects the people at the bottom.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;43155697]People think theft from big corporate megastores like walmart and target are victimless crimes, like the only people who get affected are the ones at the top who lose a few cents of their million dollar bonuses, as opposed to stealing from a mom&pop shop that directly affects everyone working in the store. When in actuality, theft from a walmart store affects the people at the bottom.[/QUOTE] A realitive of mine is a Walmart manager at a store with a decent amount of theft and the part time employees at his store got around $60 for their bonus. Meanwhile at the store I work at we got about $260.

[QUOTE=Rika-chan;43155817]A realitive of mine is a Walmart manager at a store with a decent amount of theft and the part time employees at his store got around $60 for their bonus. Meanwhile at the store I work at we got about $260.[/QUOTE] The wal-mart I work at had the potential to get around a $540 bonus a few months back. But they lost it because a bunch of old fuckers got cocky with the ladders and got injured and they some of the people in electronics (whom I'm replacing) steal laptops and cash from the registers, on top of typical shrink.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;43132426]whenever something gets shoplifted, he calculates how much he loses out of his paycheck[/QUOTE] You get your pay docked in America when shit cunts steal things from your store? That's terrible.

[QUOTE=Brandy92;43155952]You get your pay docked in America when shit cunts steal things from your store? That's terrible.[/QUOTE] It's a bonus based on sales, I assume. So no, their regular pay isn't docked, they just get a smaller bonus, which is never guaranteed, because sales are worse when things get stolen.

[QUOTE=Brandy92;43155952]You get your pay docked in America when shit cunts steal things from your store? That's terrible.[/QUOTE] It's their bonuses that get cut and it's incentive not to let people steal, not to assist people in stealing, and not to steal things themselves.