Valve: Linux More Viable Than Windows 8 for Gaming - Polidicks

[QUOTE=The Baconator;38242175]cool why is it all the Wine proponents here have barely any activity on their Steam account? Like they always have like 2 games listed in their gameplay stats with like 4 hours on each for the 2 weeks gameplay stats reports. I never see a "screaming eagles" (they got rid of those lines anyways) on a wine Steam user. Because a PC gamer moving from Windows to Linux just insn't practical at this moment[/QUOTE] Well I don't game a ton, and the game I've been playing the most I don't have on Steam ;). I've got like 40 hours into Dishonored on Linux though.

[QUOTE=The Baconator;38242175]why is it all the Wine proponents here have barely any activity on their Steam account? Like they always have like 2 games listed in their gameplay stats with like 4 hours on each for the 2 weeks gameplay stats reports. I never see a "screaming eagles" (they got rid of those lines anyways) on a wine Steam user. Because a PC gamer moving from Windows to Linux just insn't practical at this moment[/QUOTE] Because we all know steam always follows every single thing you do perfectly without error, right? I love how this is a thread consisting of frothy MS fanboys bitching at people and a story they haven't bothered reading, and then jump to trying to discredit anything anyone educating them says with the most skullfuckingly asinine bullshit. The lot of you need a slap.

My only issue is that as they get more open with things like Linux, they've started closing themselves off from modders.

Meanwhile, I'm using Windows 7 and don't have any problems with it.

[QUOTE=Swilly;38243723]My only issue is that as they get more open with things like Linux, they've started closing themselves off from modders.[/QUOTE] Uninformed poster 20-everyyear- .

theres a lot of things to criticize windows 8 for, but cmon gaben yeah it'll be nice to dick around in csgo on linux once in a while, but if it can't run AAA games that aren't valve games then what's really the point Linux support isn't a very good hedge against Microsoft falling apart

Wow, you guys are so defensive of Microsoft when all they're doing is providing support for Linux. It's not like Steam for Windows is just going to disappear. You already have Steam on Windows 8. This doesn't affect you.

Valve needs to shut up and release some new IP and a completely new engine before they start complaining about this crap. Windows 8 is perfectly viable and its actually a lot better than win7. no comparability issues once so ever so far! also there are lots of ways to put the start orb right back in, people are just retarded when it comes to mis-information. proof:[img]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/5661506/hellofromwindows8.png[/img]

Could you please give a link to that start button if that is your image?

[QUOTE=Jookia;38238135]When you get a Windows 8 ARM tablet, here's what you can do - Use Metro. - Install apps from the store. Literally nothing else, you can't even install another OS due to the secure boot drama. This is the locked down shit Gabe's pissed at, I believe.[/QUOTE] dont buy a windows 8 arm tablet [QUOTE=Jookia;38238135] That and the app store is a disaster. There's thousands of apps still waiting to be processed and developers are pissed at it for marking their applications as invalid when nobody at Microsoft will answer why.[/QUOTE] dont use their app store follow these two things and everything will be back to normal

[QUOTE=Bomimo;38243875]Uninformed poster 20-everyyear- .[/QUOTE] Its not uninformed, its actually really obvious.

[QUOTE=Marlamin;38240926]It truly is, the amount of improvements they have done to the Source Engine in general due to porting it to Linux, they could not have done without Linux's openness.[/QUOTE] Improvements like? Honestly I'm just curious here. Since a very large part of what I see when dealing with source are tools that are horribly out of date, that break with every update to their favourite game (Tf2) and improvements that seem to have nothing at all to do with anything derived out of Linux or even openGL. Most of the improvements seem to be fairly standard iterative changes. [QUOTE=Medevilae;38244414]Win 8 isn't bad but it isn't better than Win 7, sorry [editline]30th October 2012[/editline] and Valve doesn't need new IP they need to prevent their oldest, most refined IP from dying[/QUOTE] You mean apart from huge perfomance improvements, storage spaces, vastly improved multi monitor support, account integration, revamped taskmanager, file history, baked in defender and a lot of other new features? Yeah it's totally not better.

[QUOTE=wraithcat;38244793]Improvements like? Honestly I'm just curious here. Since a very large part of what I see when dealing with source are tools that are horribly out of date, that break with every update to their favourite game (Tf2) and improvements that seem to have nothing at all to do with anything derived out of Linux or even openGL. Most of the improvements seem to be fairly standard iterative changes. You mean apart from huge perfomance improvements, storage spaces, vastly improved multi monitor support, account integration, revamped taskmanager, file history, baked in defender and a lot of other new features? Yeah it's totally not better.[/QUOTE] b-b-b-but dude the new start menu is fool screen!11!1

[QUOTE=supersoldier58;38244384]Could you please give a link to that start button if that is your image?[/QUOTE] its called start8, its by stardock. a free alternative is "classic shell" [url]http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/[/url] [url]http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/[/url]

[QUOTE=wraithcat;38244793]You mean apart from huge perfomance improvements, storage spaces, vastly improved multi monitor support, account integration, revamped taskmanager, file history, baked in defender and a lot of other new features? Yeah it's totally not better.[/QUOTE] Still isn't worth the bad UI and having to be deal with a locked down operating system with microsoft controlling software.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;38245376]Still isn't worth the bad UI and having to be deal with a locked down operating system with microsoft controlling software.[/QUOTE] It's just as "locked down" as Windows 7. The store is fucking optional. Ugh.

I really hate how people go 'Linux is harder to use that Windows'. Yes it is. Deal with it and learn how to use another OS. If you can drive a car you can use Linux. [QUOTE=SA Spyder;38245442]The store is fucking optional. Ugh.[/QUOTE] See, it's the attitude of this that makes me annoyed. People go 'it's optional' and 'ARM is another story', when it's not. Microsoft are really trying to have one OS that runs on two architectures, and they really do want to merge them. That's what Valve and I are upset about. Windows 8 is locked down. But the whole x86 compatibility desktop mode thing is giving the illusion that it's not.

Don't use the store or buy a useless ARM tablet then? MS isn't going to make Windows locked down because then they are only shooting themselves in the foot. If MS were to only allow Store items to work no one would use Windows anymore except a few loyal fanboys. All you guys are giving horrible reasons on how Windows 8 is more locked down I only see bitching about the store and ARM tablets, well guess what don't use either of them!

[QUOTE=Wootman;38245724]Don't use the store or buy a useless ARM tablet then? MS isn't going to make Windows locked down because then they are only shooting themselves in the foot.[/QUOTE] Ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away, and they have made Windows locked down on ARM. [QUOTE=Wootman;38245724]All you guys are giving horrible reasons on how Windows 8 is more locked down I only see bitching about the store and ARM tablets, well guess what don't use either of them![/QUOTE] 'I don't care, it doesn't affect me!'

Hey, Jookia... Have you ever been wondering if you are using Linux for a bit too long? Just saying.

[QUOTE=Foxconn;38245786]Hey, Jookia... Have you ever been wondering if you are using Linux for a bit too long? Just saying.[/QUOTE] What's that suppose to mean?

[QUOTE=mixshifter;38237604]It's about the games.. not the Steam client.[/QUOTE] the games run fine. even through wine games like TF2 actually run better on Linux

[QUOTE=Jookia;38245794]What's that suppose to mean?[/QUOTE] It's pretty self-explanatory. You are arguing over Linux and FOSS being better than Windows with people, who think that Windows is better than Linux and FOSS. Five pages of pretentious bullshit. You are the open-source version of Sonerin, the dude who couldn't shut up about religion, nazis and multiculturalism. Perpetuum Mobile. You are bragging about the discussion there, where it was meant to die.

[QUOTE=Foxconn;38245845]It's pretty self-explanatory. You are arguing over Linux and FOSS being better than Windows with people, who think that Windows is better than Linux and FOSS. Five pages of pretentious bullshit.[/QUOTE] What? I'm not arguing that Linux is better and I haven't even brought up FOSS as it's irrelevant to the discussion. I'm arguing about Windows 8 being locked down which is (surprise:) on topic as it's what Valve is apparently upset about Windows 8 with. [QUOTE=Foxconn;38245845]You are the open-source version of Sonerin, the dude who couldn't shut up about religion, nazis and multiculturalism. Perpetuum Mobile. You are bragging about the discussion there, where it was meant to die.[/QUOTE] Are you even reading my posts?

[QUOTE=The Baconator;38242040]meanwhile Apple tablets never got crap for having locked bootlockers[/QUOTE] It's Apple, they're expected to try and fuck the customer over.

[QUOTE=Jookia;38245946]I'm arguing about Windows 8 being locked down[/QUOTE] If it's so locked down as you say, then let it be. Later, it will die anyway. There is no need to be so buttmad at this. Also, just like I said: [QUOTE]In the worst case, there are going to be third-party made workarounds and jailbreaks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Foxconn;38245966]If it's so locked down as you say, then let it be. Later, it will die anyway.[/QUOTE] I am letting it be. I'm not bursting in to Microsoft offices with a gun because of Windows 8. I'm just voicing frustration about the future of tablets and what's being done to it. Imagine if there was a newborn baby that was going to be awesome and the future of a good amount of people's computing, then somebody just shits all over the newborn. Also, later? Months? Years? Decades? [QUOTE=Foxconn;38245966]There is no need to be so buttmad at this.[/QUOTE] What? You're the only one buttmad here about me making a Linux vs Windows flame war and FOSS preaching. Which I haven't actually done, so you're buttmad at imaginary things. [QUOTE=Foxconn;38245966]Also, just like I said:[/QUOTE] That doesn't make it okay, and even then those may not be possible. We're talking BIOS-level locking down.

[QUOTE=Jookia;38245755]Ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away, and they have made Windows locked down on ARM. 'I don't care, it doesn't affect me!'[/QUOTE] yes it does product doesnt make money, product goes bye-bye [editline]30th October 2012[/editline] ignoring it is the best possible course of action

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;38246049]yes it does product doesnt make money, product goes bye-bye [editline]30th October 2012[/editline] ignoring it is the best possible course of action[/QUOTE] Because most of FP ignoring Apple's products is ruining their sales big time, is it? The people who will be willing to drop windows in case it goes x86 locked could easily end up being the same crowd which whines about current closed state of Windows as an OS. Microsoft just doesn't give a shit about them. You would be a minority at this point. Minorities don't make money - that's the argument against Linux development for years. [editline]30th October 2012[/editline] Just, hypothetically imagine. Microsoft goes "X86 is going store only" How many people of Microsoft's market, can you honestly take as "tech savvy" enough to UNDERSTAND the gravity of that event, and say "oh fuck no". 10%? 15%? Meanwhile, you will have rest of people who will go "oh shit, neat, no more viruses, Windows is now secure as fuck and easy and I can think even less when doing my crap!" And I can guarantee you that [I]majority[/I] of devs like EA, Ubisoft, but also Adobe and such will go "Yoinks, free OS handled DRM! We are fucking IN!" Is it that hard to imagine? I mean, apple already fucking pulled it off! Macintosh wasn't always locked up platform, but they brought it up and it sold and it worked! They are living example one can pull it off and make fucking cash.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;38246075]Because most of FP ignoring Apple's products is ruining their sales big time, is it? The people who will be willing to drop windows in case it goes x86 locked could easily end up being the same crowd which whines about current closed state of Windows as an OS. They don't give a shit about them. You would be a minority at this point. Minorities don't make money - that's the argument against Linux development for years. [editline]30th October 2012[/editline] Just, hypothetically imagine. Microsoft goes "X86 is going store only" How many people of Microsoft's market, can you honestly take as "tech savvy" enough to UNDERSTAND the gravity of that event, and say "oh fuck no". 10%? 15%? Meanwhile, you will have rest of people who will go "oh shit, neat, no more viruses, Windows is now secure as fuck and easy and I can think even less when doing my crap!" And I can guarantee you that [I]majority[/I] of devs like EA, Ubisoft, but also Adobe and such will go "Yoinks, free OS handled DRM! We are fucking IN!" Is it that hard to imagine? I mean, apple already fucking pulled it off! Macintosh wasn't always locked up platform, but they brought it up and it sold and it worked! They are living example one can pull it off and make fucking cash.[/QUOTE] In addition to the vast amount of businesses and casual users that wouldn't have any issue with that (and would probably find it hugely beneficial), there's the fact that certain industries are more or less locked to a given operating system. I can only use Windows or OSX because of bizarre bullshit that precludes a lot of my software functioning on Linux, and already have to put up with a metric fuckload of DRM and dongle bullshit. If Windows [I]did[/I] get properly closed, there's nothing I can do about it. I can hold out on what I've got as long as possible, but as soon as something is updated to require using the newest version of Windows, I have to buy it or I'm done. So there's not a whole lot of likelihood that, even among the some of the more "savvy" users, they'd have any sort of choice.