Valve: Linux More Viable Than Windows 8 for Gaming - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;38247774]I take Valve as legitimate expert on the field of game development and publishing, as well as Gabe Newell as somebody who had over decade of experience with Microsoft itself. Meanwhile you speak by authority of... uhmmm... yeah... [/QUOTE] i dont really remember many other ppl other than gabe complaining that bad about it unless im mistaken the closest i can come is when carmack said "it wasnt exciting" and notch condemning the platform for being closed yet still happily releasing for xbox and ios [QUOTE=Awesomecaek;38247774] I already made like three whole posts, repeating the same generic thought over and over. It's pointless to address it generally yet AGAIN when clearly only some individuals fail to understand.[/QUOTE] "u guys just dont get it GOSH"

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;38247800]i dont really remember many other ppl other than gabe complaining that bad about it unless im mistaken the closest i can come is when carmack said "it wasnt exciting" and notch condemning the platform for being closed yet still happily releasing for xbox and ios [/QUOTE] Valve = somebody You = nobody 1:0 I still don't understand how should I pan this for you to understand. Capacity of Gabe and Valve is questionable, but still a capacity as can be supported by figures of their monetary success and such. Your capacity is virtually nil. Your aruments are "they wouldn't do it because I, Liam, think it's that way". [quote] "u guys just dont get it GOSH"[/quote] Well, you seemingly don't, haha.

There are too many versions of Linux, how would they test the games on all of them?

[QUOTE=RoboChimp;38247841]There are too many versions of Linux, how would they test the games on all of them?[/QUOTE] Not all versions of Linux run everything. It always have been as simple as that. Now there are versions of Linux which are similarly built and equipped, and there it's just question of having a common field of requirements, which can be automatically handled by repositories and such. (The gaps can be closed quite easily).

[QUOTE=RoboChimp;38247841]There are too many versions of Linux, how would they test the games on all of them?[/QUOTE] They won't have to since they (at least at the start) will only officially support ubuntu.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;38247830]Valve = somebody You = nobody 1:0 I still don't understand how should I pan this for you to understand. Capacity of Gabe and Valve is questionable, but still a capacity as can be supported by figures of their monetary success and such. Your capacity is virtually nil. Your aruments are "they wouldn't do it because I, Liam, think it's that way". Well, you seemingly don't, haha.[/QUOTE] how did you know my name

Why did the OP edit the source quote? The source says that links is becoming more viable as an alternative to windows 8, which it is, while the OP says it IS more viable, which it just isn't. Nice shitstorm you managed to create.

[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;38248006]Why did the OP edit the source quote? The source says that links is becoming more viable as an alternative to windows 8, which it is, while the OP says it IS more viable, which it just isn't. Nice shitstorm you managed to create.[/QUOTE] welcome to sh [editline]30th October 2012[/editline] most fun forum on the forum

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;38247830]Valve = somebody You = nobody 1:0 I still don't understand how should I pan this for you to understand. Capacity of Gabe and Valve is questionable, but still a capacity as can be supported by figures of their monetary success and such. Your capacity is virtually nil. Your aruments are "they wouldn't do it because I, Liam, think it's that way". Well, you seemingly don't, haha.[/QUOTE] [h2]ad hominem[/h2] also 'liam' haha what the fuck [editline]30th October 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;38248010]welcome to sh [editline]30th October 2012[/editline] most fun forum on the forum[/QUOTE] this is terrible even for sh

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;38248010]welcome to sh [editline]30th October 2012[/editline] most fun forum on the forum[/QUOTE] Good thing you said you don't go here because people hate your opinions. Wait, oops, you are here. Damnit. [editline]30th October 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Generic.Monk;38248020][h2]ad hominem[/h2] also 'liam' haha what the fuck [editline]30th October 2012[/editline] this is terrible even for sh[/QUOTE] Blaming me for ad hominem works until the moment he (or whoever) cites himself as authority which can challenge a different one, with actually proven credit in the field. If I am to challenge his authority he sets against mine, I have to challenge him personally.

[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;38242813]I love how this is a thread consisting of frothy MS fanboys bitching at people and a story they haven't bothered reading, and then jump to trying to discredit anything anyone educating them says with the most skullfuckingly asinine bullshit. The lot of you need a slap.[/QUOTE] I love you for making this comment!

Companies also have the capacity to believe in stupid shit. You're so impressed by Valve's couple billion dollars and take it as sufficient evidence towards them having the correct viewpoint? Apple, the richest company in the world, has decided the following things based on beliefs: - no Bluray in desktop solutions - no SD slots in their mobile devices - switch Google Maps with iMaps - make a phone with an external antenna that only works without human interaction - put iOS elements in OSX which don't work naturally at all - price the iPad mini at over 300 dollars - so on. I'm sure everyone here can contribute to the list It's a game company making massive claims about operating systems. But because they have a whopping 300 employees, surely they can't be wrong, right? Awesomecaek, your arguments amount to little more than name calling and the weakness of it shows. Going "I'm gonna trust them over you because you're not a company" is quite possibly the worst argument I've ever heard. I was previously arguing under the false belief that they claimed that Linux is more viable as a primary operating system. I didn't know that the quote from the source was tampered with for the purpose of someone lying to themselves or simply for trolling purposes. The argument changes entirely. Valve is right to take this step as a so-called insurance policy. They're wrong to say that Linux is more viable...but they never actually said that, did they? Thanks for tampering with the fucking quote, OP. You had one job and managed to hugely fuck it up to stroke your insecurities.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;38248188] Blaming me for ad hominem works until the moment he (or whoever) cites himself as authority which can challenge a different one, with actually proven credit in the field. If I am to challenge his authority he sets against mine, I have to challenge him personally.[/QUOTE] or you could idk, actually address his points? that's generally how arguing is meant to work?

[QUOTE=SA Spyder;38249126]Companies also have the capacity to believe in stupid shit. You're so impressed by Valve's couple billion dollars and take it as sufficient evidence towards them having the correct viewpoint? Apple, the richest company in the world, has decided the following things based on beliefs: - no Bluray in desktop solutions - no SD slots in their mobile devices - switch Google Maps with iMaps - make a phone with an external antenna that only works without human interaction - put iOS elements in OSX which don't work naturally at all - price the iPad mini at over 300 dollars - so on. I'm sure everyone here can contribute to the list It's a game company making massive claims about operating systems. But because they have a whopping 300 employees, surely they can't be wrong, right? Awesomecaek, your arguments amount to little more than name calling and the weakness of it shows. Going "I'm gonna trust them over you because you're not a company" is quite possibly the worst argument I've ever heard. I was previously arguing under the false belief that they claimed that Linux is more viable as a primary operating system. I didn't know that the quote from the source was tampered with for the purpose of someone lying to themselves or simply for trolling purposes. The argument changes entirely. Valve is right to take this step as a so-called insurance policy. They're wrong to say that Linux is more viable...but they never actually said that, did they? Thanks for tampering with the fucking quote, OP. You had one job and managed to hugely fuck it up to stroke your insecurities.[/QUOTE] I am sorry but what actual supported arguments have any of you ever brought up? Except "they won't", "that would be stupid", "why would they do that" I mean, [B][I]any[/I][/B]? Microsoft never even [I]stated [/I]they aren't going to do it sometime in future! Where the fuck are [B]YOUR[/B] arguments? [editline]30th October 2012[/editline] Not to mention the listing of "dumb things Apple did" is pretty pointless considering they are doing pretty fucking well with all of these. Your personal disliking of these decisions doesn't mean they have been wrong ones. Only thing you can objectively judge is their success, and we know how it looks there. I would also like to add that you are now sorta making a point against yourself - this is why I think Microsoft could easily what Valve fears they could do and lock down x86.

ITT: windows fanboys. I upgraded from windows xp literally only half a year ago; so at this point, windows 8 isn't exactly useful since I am still getting used to windows 7... I hear it's a good platform if not for it's tablet-esque interface; but I can't spend money to upgrade, and that is the case with a lot of people. It didn't seem like much of an upgrade, and honestly, windows 7 isn't that different from XP fundamentally. I just upgraded because of directx compatibility. Optimization and UI changes are one thing, positive and useful change to platform fundamental components is another. Windows hasn't really gone through extremely major changes in one update since xp, but I don't see much microsoft can do about it; they've done a good job with updates and I appreciate them giving the option to upgrade for only 40 bucks; but for a lot of people it's too fast of an upgrade and too little in their eyes. It's a good upgrade; but I'll wait a bit, probably as long as I waited with xp, and at this rate we'll see a windows 10 by then.

whatever, I'm still gonna use win8 and play my steam games. win8 is extremely fast and I don't wanna miss out on that.

[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;38248006]Why did the OP edit the source quote? The source says that links is becoming more viable as an alternative to windows 8, which it is, while the OP says it IS more viable, which it just isn't. Nice shitstorm you managed to create.[/QUOTE] Haha holy shit, I quoted it verbatim when I found the story. [b]The source edited itself.[/b]

I swear this has happened already. Anyone remember when valve was talking shit about the PS3 and how horrible it is to code for? Only to eat their words later when they changed their mind and released portal 2 and steamplay for the PS3?

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;38249494]whatever, I'm still gonna use win8 and play my steam games. win8 is extremely fast and I don't wanna miss out on that.[/QUOTE] ok thanks for telling us

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;38249494]whatever, I'm still gonna use win8 and play my steam games. win8 is extremely fast and I don't wanna miss out on that.[/QUOTE] If you've never used Linux you can't even begin to imagine the definition of fast.

If you think Valve always has the best judgement you're probably forgetting that even them are accepting that their flat-structure employee has basic weaknesses. [editline]30th October 2012[/editline] There's a lot of mistakes they did; besides the obvious ones, my favorite would be refusing to release a SDK update that someone they contracted did, completely cleaning the engine code (that we don't have access to), solely because the contract with that contractor had expired.

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;38250746]If you think Valve always has the best judgement you're probably forgetting that even them are accepting that their flat-structure employee has basic weaknesses.[/QUOTE] What? Of course their flat structure employee system has basic weaknesses. But better judgement leads Valve to use it rather than a hierarchy of sorts because it creates better productivity and content.

[QUOTE=Eudoxia;38250721]If you've never used Linux you can't even begin to imagine the definition of fast.[/QUOTE] 20 bucks on someone will make a "Steam & games OS" when Steam for Linux is released to the public. Nothing else, except for a web browser, basic media player & a file manager.

[QUOTE=RoboChimp;38247841]There are too many versions of Linux, how would they test the games on all of them?[/QUOTE] that isn't how linux works There is one 'Linux', there are multiple linux 'Distributions' Those distributions can run any software from other distributions pretty much. Although it might take a little bit of tampering. [editline]30th October 2012[/editline] I don't think valve are pointing out why Win8 is bad, but why Linux is better. Linux isn't one controlled entity like Windows, it's far less locked down, Valve can contribute to Linux itself if they wanted to etc.

So, this 7 pages of debating were brought by a mis-understanding in the OP? I highly doubt it said that. Like it was stated before, what Valve said it's that as Steam is meant to be open, Linux is more related to that instead of Windows. No biggie.

[QUOTE=Van-man;38251104]20 bucks on someone will make a "Steam & games OS" when Steam for Linux is released to the public. Nothing else, except for a web browser, basic media player & a file manager.[/QUOTE] A distro that booted straight to Big Picture Mode. Hng.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;38246612][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope]i really am not quite convinced yet that this nor other things is an harbinger of the end times in which microsoft makes everything 100% closed on their oses. maybe im being just optimistic but i think microsoft realized what they are going to lose if they made such a drastic move[/url][/QUOTE] Slippery slope isn't fallacious unless you're inventing the slope. "Microsoft has indicated they are already interested in pursuing some degree of X, ergo they may pursue some degree of X" isn't fallacious, it's a factual statement. [QUOTE=Generic.Monk;38248020][h2]ad hominem[/h2][/QUOTE] [IMG]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/197460/1239575344980.png[/IMG] Grow the fuck up. It isn't ad hominem any time a person behaving irrationally comes up. In lieu of an actual argument, conclusions and the people coming to them are the topic. [QUOTE=SA Spyder;38249126]Companies also have the capacity to believe in stupid shit. You're so impressed by Valve's couple billion dollars and take it as sufficient evidence towards them having the correct viewpoint? Apple, the richest company in the world, has decided the following things based on beliefs: - no Bluray in desktop solutions - no SD slots in their mobile devices - switch Google Maps with iMaps - make a phone with an external antenna that only works without human interaction - put iOS elements in OSX which don't work naturally at all - price the iPad mini at over 300 dollars - so on. I'm sure everyone here can contribute to the list[/QUOTE] Because none of those things are good business decisions? None of that negatively impacted Apple's profit margins. [QUOTE=SA Spyder;38249126]Awesomecaek, your arguments amount to little more than name calling and the weakness of it shows.[/QUOTE] Ooooooooh, this is my favorite part of threads these days. [video=youtube;p2cVc1I1qCY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2cVc1I1qCY[/video] [QUOTE=SA Spyder;38238801]The people agreeing with Valve here are either asskissing or they just mindlessly hate Windows 8.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=SA Spyder;38238801]I know how much you guys love blowing Valve[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=SA Spyder;38238801]They're just butthurt that it ships with a built-in Store.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=SA Spyder;38238964]Cry about it.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=SA Spyder;38239162]you're nose-deep in their ass.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=SA Spyder;38239354]given how elitist Linux users are and how much Microsoft-bashing happens among them, I'm not sure you're well qualified to argue much here.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=SA Spyder;38240130]Yeah you're known to dick around with no valuable input to anything.[/QUOTE] You were saying, Prince of Shitposters? I miss the autobans for typing like a fucking 4channer.

[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;38253251] Because none of those things are good business decisions? None of that negatively impacted Apple's profit margins.[/quote] You can't argue that it didn't impact sales. A lot of people chose not to buy iPhone 4 due to the flawed antennas. Same applies to every point. I wasn't arguing whether or not it hurt profit margins. I was arguing for the notion that rich companies can make stupid choices too. Thanks for conveniently missing the fucking point though. [quote]You were saying, Prince of Shitposters? I miss the autobans for typing like a fucking 4channer.[/QUOTE] Each of those posts contained an argument. They weren't just standalone name-calling bitchfests. Thanks for missing the point again. You looked good for a bit there though with all that momentum. But looking at your history, the ban reasons really tell the story, don't they? Anyway, aside from this dickwaving, I'm heavily considering giving Ubuntu another shot. Or maybe Mint Linux. Gotta do research.

[QUOTE=Ol' Pie;38251620]So, this 7 pages of debating were brought by a mis-understanding in the OP? I highly doubt it said that. Like it was stated before, what Valve said it's that as Steam is meant to be open, Linux is more related to that instead of Windows. No biggie.[/QUOTE] The source changed its statement. Stop doubting things when it happened.

If only Wine was perfect.