i can just imagine half the people in this thread looking through SH
"murder victim? bah
rape victim? meh
tortured people? ehhh
somebody spills coffee at memorial? OHHHH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;37515058][url=https://www.911memorial.org/visit]As Distortion pointed out, they don't charge visitors to enter.[/url] You just have to get a pass from them (free of charge), and then you can explore it as much as you want. The museum is free, the visitor center is free, the guided tours are even free. You can choose to donate money to them if you want, but you do not have to.[/QUOTE]
The whole thing was built in great part from tax money so it isn't free at all. There aren't enough areas to rest, the builders want visitors to come in and get out, not linger. But before they leave they pass through a shop area where trinkets, plaques, and tshirts are sold for money. Government mafia and their friends has been milking the 9/11 cash cow for many years, but charging an entrance fee to that particular site isn't one of the ways they suck the money tit, too obvious. Private individuals making a profit from anything related to 9/11 is a well-known gold mine.
Regarding the "coffee spilling" incident, could it perhaps have been an accident? it's not like she ran around rampant with a bag of shit flinging it all over the place...
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;37515392]Have you ever worked retail? If you did, you'd soon learn that people don't fucking read, and tourists doubly so.[/QUOTE]
As a retail employee...yeah, I can sadly vouch for this.
I don't think even a quarter of the parents who bring their kids in know that the ESRB rating exists and/or what it's for.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;37515468]As a retail employee...yeah, I can sadly vouch for this.
I don't think even a quarter of the parents who bring their kids in know that the ESRB rating exists and/or what it's for.[/QUOTE]
They probably know what it is, but don't care.
I think the fact that people are able to act like this at the site of a terrorist incident is entirely the point.
The attack was done to strike fear into the hearts of those in the west so that we would conform to their lifestyle and culture. Now, 11 years on, People can walk around the very place it happened and relax, eat, laugh and enjoy each others company, a true slap in the face to the attackers and exactly what we should be doing. By not solemnly remembering the event at every opportunity and getting on with life and enjoying it too we're showing them that they haven't won.
They should do something similar to the Guard at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.
I mean really, that place is not there for people's enjoyment, it's there for remembrance of what happened, especially to those who lost family or friends in the attack.
It's not a place to put your foot up on to tie you shoe, it's not a coffee table, it's not a makeout point, it's a grave for thousands of people. Just because some of you think it's silly to have to show respect while there doesn't mean it is, I dare any one of you to go try this sort of bullshit at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYCPbP_a46I[/media]
I hope they all get haunted by really mean ghosts.
i want my body to be made into a public toilet seat in a woman's restroom.
what does this place even look like?
maybe if they made it look depressing people wouldn't want to have fun.
[QUOTE=Scot;37514520]Obviously everyone deals with death differently. I'm just stating how they should feel.[/QUOTE]
Hey, do you still get off to gore videos and people dying?
I'm ok with this. As long as the people who think it should be treated with respect do so, what the rest do is of fuckall importance. if it was so important, then start a fucking regime and pass laws about or get the hell over it. No one should be forced to cater to other peoples expectations.
[QUOTE=FuzzyPoop;37515387]As long as they're not destroying anything, there's no reason to care.[/QUOTE]
Soda breaks things down. It can damage the site more than normal walking around/sitting.
[QUOTE=Vasili;37515677]what does this place even look like?
maybe if they made it look depressing people wouldn't want to have fun.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/DmdVZ.png[/img]
Two giant fountains in the footprints of the former towers made out of the names of the thousands of people that died in that very spot in a single instant.
If one already needs a pass to enter the memorial, why not simply make a rule that you can't bring food or drink onto the grounds of the memorial to specifically avoid things like this? Make a designated area for eating if people are coming there for lunch and the like.
I mean, a lot of museums and similar attractions have rules like that, why not make it the same for the memorial?
[QUOTE=Rue Morgue;37515446]The whole thing was built in great part from tax money so it isn't free at all.[/quote]
Actually, this is not true at all. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_September_11_Memorial_%26_Museum#Organization]The $530 million that was raised to construct and manage it came entirely from private donations and federal grants, not from tax money.[/url]
Not sure why you're even trying to argue about this in the first place, since all I did was point out that NoDachi was completely wrong claiming that they "charge visitors to enter" (as if it were some sort of attraction).
[QUOTE=Rue Morgue;37515446]There aren't enough areas to rest,[/quote]
There are dozens of seats scattered around the memorial's grounds with lavatories and fountains close by. Here's a pretty good shot of what they look like:
[img]http://landperspectives.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/9-11-memorial-6.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Rue Morgue;37515446]the builders want visitors to come in and get out, not linger.[/quote]
Of building areas because of safety concerns; practically nothing at all of the museum part has been finished or opened for that matter yet so they don't want people mucking around there either. Otherwise, they still offer fully-guided tours of the memorial, so they apparently don't want them out [i]that[/i] badly.
[QUOTE=Rue Morgue;37515446]But before they leave they pass through a shop area where trinkets, plaques, and tshirts are sold for money.[/quote]
In the museum, which, again, is not even open yet. [url=https://www.911memorial.org/catalog]And here's what you can buy: books, clothing, gift items (stuffed animals, magnets, key chains, etc.), and jewelry accessories (earrings, bracelets, pins, etc.).[/url]
[QUOTE=Rue Morgue;37515446]Government mafia and their friends has been milking the 9/11 cash cow for many years,[/quote]
The memorial has nothing to do with the government. It's entirely non-profit. They sell trinkets and ask for donations because that's how they get their funds to to maintain and manage the memorial itself.
[QUOTE=Rue Morgue;37515446]but charging an entrance fee to that particular site isn't one of the ways they suck the money tit,[/quote]
Yeah- $20 shirts and books. Boy they're really sucking in tons of money to satiate their greedy desires, despite being a [i]not for profit[/i] entity. You know absolutely nothing about this stuff apparently.
NoDachi was simply wrong. They do not charge entrance fees like it's an attraction. There's no way around it. He flat-out claimed they did, Distortion and I pointed out that they don't. They have never charged entrance fees, they're not going to to start charging them now either.
[QUOTE=Rue Morgue;37515446]too obvious.[/quote]
"It's a conspiracy, I tells ya."
[QUOTE=Rue Morgue;37515446]Private individuals making a profit from anything related to 9/11 is a well-known gold mine.[/QUOTE]
They don't make any profit from this. Again, it's a nonprofit organization. Do you know how they work here in the United States? Apparently not, but I can't say I'm surprised.
[QUOTE=theenemy;37515510]I think the fact that people are able to act like this at the site of a terrorist incident is entirely the point.
The attack was done to strike fear into the hearts of those in the west so that we would conform to their lifestyle and culture. Now, 11 years on, People can walk around the very place it happened and relax, eat, laugh and enjoy each others company, a true slap in the face to the attackers and exactly what we should be doing. By not solemnly remembering the event at every opportunity and getting on with life and enjoying it too we're showing them that they haven't won.[/QUOTE]
pretty much
if you're still so upset over 9/11 that you can't stand people having a good time at a memorial...
terrorists win
[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;37515521]
It's not a place to put your foot up on to tie you shoe, it's not a coffee table, it's not a makeout point, it's a grave for thousands of people.[/QUOTE]
That seems unnecessarily grim.
[QUOTE=Scarabix;37514258]I saw people doing parkour at the holocaust memorial in Berlin.
Did I make a thread about it? No, and you shouldn't have either.[/QUOTE]
My granddad died in a concentration camp. He fell out of a tower.
i had dear family friends that were vaporized while working in the cantor fitzgerald offices in one world trade center.
they do not have a final resting place in a peaceful cemetery.
the only thing to remember them by is memories and the memorial. the memorial people are sitting on.
it's a place of solitude and reflection. i've sat at the memorial for hours on end just staring at name plates. i wouldn't want kids sitting on their graves. if you don't know people that perished, you will never know the feeling of seeing people sit on your friends graves, spilling coffee on them, eating on them, using them as drink holders..
you get it. i'm going to go sit alone now.
[QUOTE=KaIibos;37516103]pretty much
if you're still so upset over 9/11 that you can't stand people having a good time at a memorial...
terrorists win[/QUOTE]
Several people here are saying this, and it doesn't make sense to me. This is about respect for the dead, not standing up or giving in to terrorism.
I was there at Christmas last year. Overall, it was heartbreaking... You saw people staring at names, holding them and crying.
Why some parent would let kids do this shit is completely beyond me.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;37516344]Several people here are saying this, and it doesn't make sense to me. This is about respect for the dead, not standing up or giving in to terrorism.[/QUOTE]
The only thing I'd say that is giving in to terrorism would be the addition of TSA. Respecting and mourning the dead doesn't seem that way. You should always respect the dead no matter what memorial or burial they are in.
[QUOTE=PaChIrA;37516399]The only thing I'd say that is giving in to terrorism would be the addition of TSA. Respecting and mourning the dead doesn't seem that way. You should always respect the dead no matter what memorial or burial they are in.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. Sacrificing our freedoms out of fear, turning on one another: THAT is how the terrorists win. People showing their respect at a memorial is just common decency.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;37514286]people enjoying themselves in america? NOT ON MY WATCH
everyone is now required to be sad and scared of the terrorists when near the 9/11 site.[/QUOTE]
sorry taking shits on graves isn't my idea of fun but this is extremely tasteless and disrespectful
I don't mind if you aren't bawling your eyes out over 9/11 but don't fucking trash a memorial, of any kind, dedicated to murdered innocents
[QUOTE=Lambeth;37516175]That seems unnecessarily grim.[/QUOTE]
How so? That's more or less exactly what its there for.
[QUOTE=cccritical;37516471]sorry taking shits on graves isn't my idea of fun but this is extremely tasteless and disrespectful
I don't mind if you aren't bawling your eyes out over 9/11 but don't fucking trash a memorial, of any kind, dedicated to murdered innocents[/QUOTE]
a letter of complaint about somebody spilling their coffee has now become 'shitting' and 'trashing'
the chilling effects of an opinion piece
I still say they should have just rebuilt the towers and hung a memorial in the lobby instead.
[QUOTE=evilweazel;37516482]How so? That's more or less exactly what its there for.[/QUOTE]
Sure but going NO SITTING NO COFFEE NO KISSING FINAL DESTINATION is stupid.
I've been to the Pearl Harbor memorial. The design is such that it's very hard to do anything 'disrespectful' even if you wanted to do it. Plus only so many people can be there at a time. Unlimited amounts of visitors makes for an unruly scene.
I think if the names are supposed to be sacred, don't put them in an area or height that allows people to sit on them. Parts of the memorial that aren't to be touched at all should be behind some type of barrier.
Also, visitors tend to listen to 'official' guides and security. Trying to have unspoken rules or unofficial do-gooders enforcing manners never works. Don't want coffee spilled on the memorial? Don't allow food or drink near it.
So this article gets a big 'meh' from me.
If you make a point of interest for people to visit, you have to anticipate the behavior you're going to see.
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