For the First Time, Lady Liberty Depicted as a Woman of Color on U.S. Currency
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How would you portray a "raceless" character
[QUOTE=AaronM202;51667183]I think it being raceless would make it a raceless symbol.[/QUOTE]
i think that would also be impossible
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;51667237]i think that would also be impossible[/QUOTE]
Mix everything together until you get a nice blend of ambiguity.
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Or make her a skeleton.
[QUOTE=QUILTBAG;51667232]How would you portray a "raceless" character[/QUOTE]
[img]http://riograndeblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Statue-of-Liberty1.png[/img]
Yo if lady liberty was a skeleton in a dress I'd be way into that
[QUOTE=gukki;51667260][img]http://riograndeblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Statue-of-Liberty1.png[/img][/QUOTE]
debatable
[QUOTE=AaronM202;51667249]Or make her a skeleton.[/QUOTE]
not debatable. objectively better
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;51667261]Yo if lady liberty was a skeleton in a dress I'd be way into that[/QUOTE]
[img]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/5d/94/67/5d9467fc78ae6937b507745996095e06.jpg[/img]
Objectively superior.
black skeleton lady liberty confirmed as new iron man
[QUOTE=KillRay;51666924]i don't think your comparison really fits here. but more importantly, there's no reason you cannot represent modern america which has become what it was because of the diversity of its citizens and cultures[/QUOTE]
That's kind of my point. Lady liberty isn't supposed to represent modern America. She's supposed to represent a set of ideals and values specific to the the western world, generally, and the traditional US, specifically. I don't say this with any animosity in the slightest, but has African culture really done anything to improve the ideals of western society? The people contribute, individually, of course. There's no doubt to that, but I'm not sure how you could point to political or societal ideals that we've taken from African culture.
With that said, it doesn't really matter and I won't be losing sleep over it.
That's pretty awesome. It's really amazing to see this country moving away from the past in such a positive light.
Yes, people will complain but those who do are obviously just racist bigots whose thinking is dated and irrelevant anymore.
Let LIRFRTY ring. For the second time.
But really though, it's an appealing face for once
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51666168]That's a really cool design; she looks cute.
I now realised I am attracted to an image of a statue.[/QUOTE]
Eh, she looks ok. Fine and fair, but nothing to get a ferret in one's bloomers over.
Wondering how much it costs to make a coin from beginning to end. The entire cost including labor, materials, all of it. I want to see what would happen if I confront someone bitching about it and throw that number at their face and see how quickly they want to have congress kill the US Mint.
Coin looks nice but that is going to be as close as I will ever get to one. Do not have a reason to have one for a collection or to have 100bux in a coin.
[QUOTE=jordguitar;51670333]Wondering how much it costs to make a coin from beginning to end. The entire cost including labor, materials, all of it. I want to see what would happen if I confront someone bitching about it and throw that number at their face and see how quickly they want to have congress kill the US Mint.
Coin looks nice but that is going to be as close as I will ever get to one. Do not have a reason to have one for a collection or to have 100bux in a coin.[/QUOTE]
You could make some gum-ball machines day.
[QUOTE=sgman91;51669068]That's kind of my point. Lady liberty isn't supposed to represent modern America. She's supposed to represent a set of ideals and values specific to the the western world, generally, and the traditional US, specifically. I don't say this with any animosity in the slightest, but has African culture really done anything to improve the ideals of western society? The people contribute, individually, of course. There's no doubt to that, but I'm not sure how you could point to political or societal ideals that we've taken from African culture.
With that said, it doesn't really matter and I won't be losing sleep over it.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately, slavery and forced assimilation has a tendency to strip people of their cultural practices in favor of fitting in.
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That being said, African culture has contributed to loads of things in our culture, especially the arts. Music, art itself, fashion, language.
"Improving the ideals of society" is a pretty arbitrary and subjective measuring system. What some people might consider better, another person might not.
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The Civil Rights era was pretty important and was lead primarily by black individuals I mean I dunno that seems like kind of an important contribution.
I mean honestly, how petty would you have to be to get angry over something like this?
[QUOTE=sgman91;51669068]That's kind of my point. Lady liberty isn't supposed to represent modern America. She's supposed to represent a set of ideals and values specific to the the western world, generally, and the traditional US, specifically. I don't say this with any animosity in the slightest, but has African culture really done anything to improve the ideals of western society? The people contribute, individually, of course. There's no doubt to that, but I'm not sure how you could point to political or societal ideals that we've taken from African culture.
With that said, it doesn't really matter and I won't be losing sleep over it.[/QUOTE]
She was placed in the harbour in NY to be the first thing that immigrants see when they come on the ships. How is that posturing not indicative of an attempt at representing America?
Sure the symbolism is the larger part of the whole but there's no reason that she's somehow disqualified from representing demographics, in fact they're making this coin right now with lady liberty on it as a black person.
On the point of blacks not improving the ideals of western society:
This is where schools, colleges and universities come in and ruin things, they don't teach black philosophers enough and any time a student union tries to get that changed milo shows up to save the day and browbeats them for poor wording. How do I know they don't teach black philosophers enough? Because of your post. And my own ignorance on the subjects of their teachings.
Also this is based on the notion that plato and kant and aristotle are western and belong to the west when that's simply not true. Ask plato what the west is and he definitely won't say "people in north america" that's just one society that picked and chose from him & others centuries later. He wasn't even white.
It's weird, I've never actually thought about her race. I always just looked at it and went "yep, that's a big [B]green[/B] statue"
if you care what race the statue of liberty is like, legitimately, its because you're a massive idiot and should stop caring about things that don't actually matter
if every single person on the planet stopped caring about arbitrary details like race/gender/eye color/hair, we'd really be better off
[QUOTE=J!NX;51673285]if you care what race the statue of liberty is like, legitimately, its because you're a massive idiot and should stop caring about things that don't actually matter
if every single person on the planet stopped caring about arbitrary details like race/gender/eye color/hair, we'd really be better off[/QUOTE]
it's too late, best we all get nuked and let the survivors start over tbh
[QUOTE=01271;51670536]She was placed in the harbour in NY to be the first thing that immigrants see when they come on the ships. How is that posturing not indicative of an attempt at representing America?
Sure the symbolism is the larger part of the whole but there's no reason that she's somehow disqualified from representing demographics, in fact they're making this coin right now with lady liberty on it as a black person.
On the point of blacks not improving the ideals of western society:
This is where schools, colleges and universities come in and ruin things, they don't teach black philosophers enough and any time a student union tries to get that changed milo shows up to save the day and browbeats them for poor wording. How do I know they don't teach black philosophers enough? Because of your post. And my own ignorance on the subjects of their teachings.
Also this is based on the notion that plato and kant and aristotle are western and belong to the west when that's simply not true. Ask plato what the west is and he definitely won't say "people in north america" that's just one society that picked and chose from him & others centuries later. He wasn't even white.[/QUOTE]
Can you clarify which African philosopher contributed to the western ideals of individual liberty, law, political representation, etc.? I would love to read them. I'm asking totally unironically.
What Plato would have considered "the west" is fairly irrelevant. We can, today, go back and see where our current western ideals came from.
She was originally bronze-coloured, which is also the supposed colour of Jesus, or at least his hands and feet.
Lady Liberty confirmed middle eastern.
Yeah if all our currency used depictions of skeletons I'd totally be okay with that.
i'd buy a gold minted coin with a skeleton on it
[QUOTE=sgman91;51666839]I don't really care much[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=sgman91;51669068]With that said, it doesn't really matter and I won't be losing sleep over it.[/QUOTE]
Then why do you keep posting about something that's obviously a can of worms?
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