• EU considering sanctions against Israel over settlements
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[QUOTE=Toffeeies;46508944]The flagdog was never accurate, stop basing people's location on it. You're forgetting that VPN's exist.[/QUOTE] Pretty much everyone who uses VPN's here is either: A: evading a ban B: a shill C: a troll
so basically you just described everyone on this forum
[QUOTE=Toffeeies;46508548]There can never be a 2 state solution, people are literally born with hatred for the other side both sides hate each-other and the hatred for Jews/Arabs is embedded to deep to do anything about it. The Arab world could've solved this issue very easily. the amount of land they have shouldn't surprise anyone. a 2 state solution would be the worst thing that could possibly happen to Hamas/Fatah. This conflict will be solved by the elimination of one side, there's no other way.[/QUOTE] Mother of god; if there was any other than an Israelite muttering that, I'd perhaps excuse him for his ignorance of worldly issues, lack of sociological knowledge and of history. But this is coming from someone who can almost certainly trace his family tree to an uncle/grandfather/someone else's grandfather who was killed by nazis with exactly the same thoughts in mind... even if you somehow never ever heard of those historical events, as I've said, as a jew, it's next to impossible to be unaware of what happened back then. And now you're in favor of applying those same actions against another demonized minority?
That's esentially why I got stuck into that dude How can anyone believe that? It's really sad, even by my standards
[QUOTE=En-Guage;46509514]That's esentially why I got stuck into that dude How can anyone believe that? It's really sad, even by my standards[/QUOTE] I can't speak for that guy, but there's an attitude spreading around Israelis that there will never be peace since neither side is willing to compromise and neither side can or will completely eliminate the other. Unfortunately this is also the stance of most of the current Israeli government, which uses it as an excuse to not pursue the peace process and instead just try and "contain" the Palestinians while appeasing the settlers. Anyway this could be what he's trying to say. That there's no hope for peace in our time. Not that that one side [B]should [/B]eliminate the other.
I can't entirely blame him if I was being shelled I'd hate the fuckers too
[QUOTE=BlaBlaAccount;46508590]Reread what he wrote. All he is saying is that peace is unachievable without the elimination of one side. This does not mean he advocates such a solution.[/QUOTE] Naw it just means he's willing to default to that position.
[QUOTE=Toffeeies;46508548]There can never be a 2 state solution, people are literally born with hatred for the other side both sides hate each-other and the hatred for Jews/Arabs is embedded to deep to do anything about it. The Arab world could've solved this issue very easily. the amount of land they have shouldn't surprise anyone. a 2 state solution would be the worst thing that could possibly happen to Hamas/Fatah. This conflict will be solved by the elimination of one side, there's no other way.[/QUOTE] Why couldn't this be solved by educating both sides? They seem stuck in their backwards ways, unable to see that they're both human, and that they both believe in basically the same god. If you just educate them, even if it's just the children, the conflict will lessen over time.
[QUOTE=Hyperbole;46509844]Why couldn't this be solved by educating both sides? They seem stuck in their backwards ways, unable to see that they're both human, and that they both believe in basically the same god. If you just educate them, even if it's just the children, the conflict will lessen over time.[/QUOTE]From the Israeli POV, it's like trying to round up ISIS and teach them to stop killing people. Honestly, I fully agree that there's no chance of any functional solution without removing Hamas.
There's no chance of a peaceful solution with Fatah and Hamas. Fatah is becoming increasingly hostile and Hamas is Hamas. Unless a secular and reasonable Palestinian party forms, there's no possibility for peace. The EU should realize that and sanction Abbas for calling for violence and praising those who committed violence.
[QUOTE=Hyperbole;46509844]Why couldn't this be solved by educating both sides? They seem stuck in their backwards ways, unable to see that they're both human, and that they both believe in basically the same god. If you just educate them, even if it's just the children, the conflict will lessen over time.[/QUOTE] Education is less of a problem on either side, surprisingly. [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Textbooks_in_the_Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Textbooks_in_the_Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict[/URL] The problem is really lack of hope. We've been trying to meet eachother half way for a generation now. The original peace process exploded in our face with Rabin's assassination and a wave of suicide bombings. The second peace process came close to even resolving the Jerusalem issue and then the second intifada broke out. And then even unilaterally retreating from Gaza and dismantling all the settlements there ended up with Hamas in charge and rockets being fired into Israel on a daily basis. people on both sides just can't bring themselves to believe any kind of negotiations can actually lead to anything anymore. So people just go on doing what they do. Trying to kill each other in small dosages and hating the fuck out of each other the rest of the time. The Palestinians at least have the whole international push which can eventually lead to some kind of statehood. All we've got is bitterness. So we just hunker don in our bunker, stick our fingers in our ears and get comfortable, cause what else is there, right?
[QUOTE=Svinnik;46510128]There's no chance of a peaceful solution with Fatah and Hamas. Fatah is becoming increasingly hostile and Hamas is Hamas. Unless a secular and reasonable Palestinian party forms, there's no possibility for peace. The EU should realize that and sanction Abbas for calling for violence and praising those who committed violence.[/QUOTE] pretty sure the sanctions are for israel not cooperating with UN probes, not UN hurting israel because it bombed targets in gaza, the UN has and should play an important role in moderating and bringing stability to the region, for israel to keep them out is against what the UN stands for [editline]17th November 2014[/editline] i agree there probably won't be a peaceful solution as palistine gets more and more extremist
I've got an idea. The US has this territory called Puerto Rico; maybe we could cut an arbitrary slab out of it and then put all the Palestinians on there, out of reach of their oppressors. If there's any issue with the people living there already, maybe we could cut a bit out of New Zeeland. And if the Kiwis have an issue with that...
[QUOTE=Sega Saturn;46513047]I've got an idea. The US has this territory called Puerto Rico; maybe we could cut an arbitrary slab out of it and then put all the Palestinians on there, out of reach of their oppressors. If there's any issue with the people living there already, maybe we could cut a bit out of New Zeeland. And if the Kiwis have an issue with that...[/QUOTE] Where about's is this New Zeeland you speak of?
[QUOTE=Monkah;46508526]I kinda wonder what would happen if another country volunteered to take care of Hamas for Israel. "We'll do the dirty-work... you guys just get out of Palestine." Would be interesting.[/QUOTE] eh, did you just come to change the subject in an attempt to stop people posting about the article? this shit is nothing to do with hamas
[QUOTE=ScumBunny;46510150]The problem is really lack of hope.[/QUOTE] Jews and their ancestors have been in perpetual conflict with just about [I]everyone[/I] since recorded history began so it's nobody's surprise when people have no hope. I don't think there will be any sort of long lasting peace since many Arabs would rather Israel not exist. In fact, Israel wouldn't be here today if the allies in WWII had held their end of the bargain they made with the Arabs for their part in WWII.
they wont do it cause they're pussy israel is going to get away it whatever it can
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[QUOTE=Crumpet;46513530]eh, did you just come to change the subject in an attempt to stop people posting about the article? this shit is nothing to do with hamas[/QUOTE]This has everything to do with Hamas. Israel's entire reason for their actions against Palestine stem down to the terrorist actions by the Palestinian Gov. (AKA Hamas) and those associated with them. The reason people are upset with Israel is because of the high number of civilian casualties as a direct result from the war between Israel and Hamas/Fatah-- the recent increase in illegal settling really just being a byproduct of said war. If another country were to intervene and do the job instead, my question proposes if much would change-- and if civilian casualties would remain or if said country would do a more efficient job in removing the terrorist threat that continues to spark these conflicts. As a result, there would likely be a good number fewer of terrorist attacks, which likely means less chances of continuing the war-- and therefore, probably less settlements being formed. Maybe you should at least know the topic you're talking about before throwing around accusations. Just a thought.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;46508871]By uniting Fatah and Hamas, be we all know that Israel is ardently for a divided Palestine.[/QUOTE] You're right Starpluck, Hamas is a good peaceful organization. We need to help them in their glorious defense against the evil Israelis.
[QUOTE=Sega Saturn;46513047]I've got an idea. The US has this territory called Puerto Rico; maybe we could cut an arbitrary slab out of it and then put all the Palestinians on there, out of reach of their oppressors. If there's any issue with the people living there already, maybe we could cut a bit out of New Zeeland. And if the Kiwis have an issue with that...[/QUOTE] I have an issue with this.
[QUOTE=Toffeeies;46508548]There can never be a 2 state solution, people are literally born with hatred for the other side both sides hate each-other and the hatred for Jews/Arabs is embedded to deep to do anything about it. The Arab world could've solved this issue very easily. the amount of land they have shouldn't surprise anyone. a 2 state solution would be the worst thing that could possibly happen to Hamas/Fatah. This conflict will be solved by the elimination of one side, there's no other way.[/QUOTE] "Hi I advocate genocide?"
[QUOTE=circuitbawx;46514665]"Hi I advocate genocide?"[/QUOTE] He's not advocating anything, he's saying the two can't coexist.
[QUOTE=Monkah;46514308]This has everything to do with Hamas. Israel's entire reason for their actions against Palestine stem down to the terrorist actions by the Palestinian Gov. (AKA Hamas) and those associated with them. The reason people are upset with Israel is because of the high number of civilian casualties as a direct result from the war between Israel and Hamas/Fatah-- the recent increase in illegal settling really just being a byproduct of said war. If another country were to intervene and do the job instead, my question proposes if much would change-- and if civilian casualties would remain or if said country would do a more efficient job in removing the terrorist threat that continues to spark these conflicts. As a result, there would likely be a good number fewer of terrorist attacks, which likely means less chances of continuing the war-- and therefore, probably less settlements being formed. [B] Maybe you should at least know the topic you're talking about before throwing around accusations. Just a thought.[/B][/QUOTE] Hamas was formed in 1988, with [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/07/30/how-israel-helped-create-hamas/"]indirect support of Israel[/URL]. Decades after international inaction from the Israeli occupation and Israeli settlements. [editline]17th November 2014[/editline] Summarizing, Israel needed a counterbalance to the secular PLO.
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