ATF Storms a Gun Store to Seize Customer List Despite a Judge’s Restraining Order - Polidicks

will they start raiding any hardware store that sells shovels too?

[QUOTE=FZE;44309398]The court indictment cites the employment of a felon to complete the milling and machining (i.e. aluminum -> firearm) as the reason for obtaining the warrant, rather than anything about a unique manufacturing process. [url]http://www.justice.gov/usao/cae/news/docs/2014/2014_02/02-27-2014Cortez-Garcia%20Indictment.pdf[/url] Which as crimes under the jurisdiction of the ATF go is pretty super.[/QUOTE] Except they were selling 80% lowers, which aren't legally firearms. Are they going to start raiding all machining and fabrication shops and arrest felons now?

[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;44308486]lowers lowers lowers [editline]21st March 2014[/editline] Otherwise known as; Complete bullshit[/QUOTE] Story I heard is they had polymer lowers that they made into complete lowers then they refilled the extra holes and sold them as 80% lowers when all you needed to do was push out the polymer pegs they filled the holes in with.

Ares claims that they cast the white inner block then build the real lower receiver around it. Going this way the lower was never more than 80% completed at any point. I've been kind of interested in buying a rifle. A cheap poly lower would be a cool way to start off.

[QUOTE=zerglingv2;44317463]Story I heard is they had polymer lowers that they made into complete lowers then they refilled the extra holes and sold them as 80% lowers when all you needed to do was push out the polymer pegs they filled the holes in with.[/QUOTE] The pictures I saw of them had none of the holes needed in the sides to have a functioning gun. [editline]23rd March 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Bonzai11;44330606]Ares claims that they cast the white inner block then build the real lower receiver around it. Going this way the lower was never more than 80% completed at any point. I've been kind of interested in buying a rifle. A cheap poly lower would be a cool way to start off.[/QUOTE] Really depends on the design, but they have a tendency to fracture unless properly reinforced. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/nuJxoQbh.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/WUmgtvTh.jpg[/IMG] These are what the ARES lowers that I saw looked like: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/vu6sb14h.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=darunner;44330692]The pictures I saw of them had none of the holes needed in the sides to have a functioning gun. [editline]23rd March 2014[/editline] Really depends on the design, but they have a tendency to fracture unless properly reinforced. [/QUOTE] mainly depends on the material they use, half of the time they use cheap plastics that can rarely handle the stress given by firearms. there are a few gems though i'm partial to JMT from experience with it [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/FETKwLy.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/5pwnAQA.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Bo65d3p.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;44313786]Yeah, except when the police want to check up on a strip club, they don't demand a list of every customer who has been through there. ARES told the ATF to blow it out their ass and they were right to do so. If the ATF wanted to check up on the legitimacy of ARES operation they'd demand a sample of their product for testing. On top of that, we operate on an 'innocent until proven guilty' system here, which makes their demand of the customer list even more asinine. No, what's happened here is the ATF is pissed off that someone DARE stand up to them rather than let them run amok like they've grown accustomed to doing for decades, and they fully intend to make an example of ARES.[/QUOTE] Patrons at the strip club are not possibly purchasing and taking home with them illegal objects, its a totally different situation. Its natural for law enforcement to ask for documentation and the restraining order is just about when the warrant is coming from a higher court.