Univerisity of Southern California Cancels "Legends of the Games industry" Event because no Women on - Polidicks

[QUOTE=hexpunK;50221839]They aren't punishing the panel members for being male, they aren't trying to oppress them or any of their rights. They are rescheduling a private event. Sure, the reason is a bit eh, but it's still something understandable. The push to get women in to the various tech sectors is well underway, having examples of women who have done well in the games industry on the panel will only help the panel.[/QUOTE] It is complete inexcusable. It is entirely a non-issue and is just another instance of a university/college pandering to the extreme lefties of the SJW movements. If they really wanted women on such a panel, they could have easily just organised another event whose panelists were all women instead of cancelling. It would have cost them only slightly more than outright cancelling 4 hours before the event. Great way to empower women in tech. Let's cancel an event with leading members of the industry so women who were planning to attend are no longer able to network. Fucking pisstake, honestly.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;50221880]I'd love to hear your explanation for this one tbh. Because I cannot work out how you came to that conclusion. This isn't discriminatory. Time wasting? Totally. Rude? Certainly. Discriminatory? Fuck no. If they had planned the event properly from the get-go they would have easily had more time to warn the panel members that they were rescheduling it and to look for female talent. But this seems quite disorganised in general.[/QUOTE] There were probably a lot of people who wanted to go to that panel, the seniors are going to miss out, and the people scheduled basically got blown off and their time wasted. Why? Because they thought them being male would inconvenience women. People don't forget that shit, this is why picking your battles is important. [URL="https://www.google.com/search?q=discrimination"]"Discrimination is treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing is perceived to belong to rather than on individual merit."[/URL] They didn't make the decision based on their relevance to the industry. They didn't make the decision based on their skill sets, [I]they made the decision solely because they were male[/I].

[QUOTE=The Duke;50221733]Legitimate question, can someone name to me a major female legend of the gaming industry that isn't a music composer or sound designer? (There are plenty of amazing female music composers in the gaming industry, such as Yoko Shimomura, but I can't think of anyone outside that field that is considered a major developer)[/QUOTE] amy hennig [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Hennig[/url] edit: Rhianna Prachett [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhianna_Pratchett[/url] Jade Raymond [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jade_Raymond[/url] Roberta Williams (Possibly the biggest female dev in terms of nostalgia factor. She basically co-founded and made a bunch of games for Sierra ) [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberta_Williams[/url] Japanese Devs have a shitton of big female devs, but i dont have the list in front of me right now. edit 2: Some Female Japan Devs Emiko Iwasaki - one of the main contributors to guilty gear and directed Battle Fantasia Reiko Kodama - Made Phantasy Star's story and was primary designer Junko Kawano - Help make Suidoken as primary designer Kinu Nishimura - Character designer for games like Street Fighter, Cyberbots, etc. Ayami Kojima - Artist for Castlevania: Symphony of the night and a bunch of other castlevanias. Mari Shimazaki - The Artist Who created bayonetta's appearance. There's alot of big female devs in the game industry, its just everyone pretends there isn't.

[QUOTE=Wii60;50221920]amy hennig [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Hennig[/url][/QUOTE] Bonnie Ross is also up there I guess: [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonnie_Ross[/url]

There's also Tsunako, the artist and character designer for the Hyperdimension Neptunia series

Holy hell, I'm a game design student and I'd jump at the chance to attend a panel with just one of those. I hope that department's getting some flak over that, the kids there could have learned a thing or two from a group like that

What about [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberta_Williams"]Roberta Williams[/URL]? She created the graphic adventure genre. On point: This is inexcusable and just speaks about pc intolerance

[QUOTE=oskramorir;50221995]What about [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberta_Williams"]Roberta Williams[/URL]? She created the graphic adventure genre. On point: This is inexcusable and just speaks about pc intolerance[/QUOTE] Was about to post about her. There were actually a lot more women in the industry back in the 80's and 90's, and I'm not sure why that changed

[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;50222066]Was about to post about her. There were actually a lot more women in the industry back in the 80's and 90's, and I'm not sure why that changed[/QUOTE] There was a pretty big stigma about games after media started blaming them for shootings like columbine. I do think it's going to start going up again, even with the media trying to paint tech as a terrible place for women.

[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;50222066]Was about to post about her. There were actually a lot more women in the industry back in the 80's and 90's, and I'm not sure why that changed[/QUOTE] Because industry ended up being divided between AAA and Indie, with everything in between being sent to one of the camps, or simply dying out.

[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;50222066]Was about to post about her. There were actually a lot more women in the industry back in the 80's and 90's, and I'm not sure why that changed[/QUOTE] [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i08CVkBxvBM[/media] This video explains it well. Its rated poorly due to the unpopular opinion that Phone Games are a game, and it involves women in video games.

[quote]The student did not wish to be named, fearing reprisal from the games department.[/quote] It's kind of absurd how expressing dissatisfaction in how the ordeal is handled is something that people would attack them over -- to the point of wishing one's name to not be published alongside those sentiments. His/her opinion wasn't even radical by any stretch of the imagination but still felt as if expressing said opinion would garner hostility. Really the only thing he/she said that could be interpreted as radical is, [i]“There really is a notion of censorship, but in this department you have to get on team projects to succeed and don’t want to anger the wrong people.”[/i] Yet if people were to create backlash over this statement it'd be proving precisely what the quote was about in the first place.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50221669]Would it be fair to claim that this is more of an Authoritarian issue than a Liberal issue?[/QUOTE] Fuck no. Secondly, there's even two of your token batshit sjw "liberals" in the form of Kaplan and Beck on the panel itself. Classic case of causation correlation. A panelist backing out her own volition is completely out of the hands of the presenting panelists, and secondly I can guarantee you if this is the kinda shit you pull, the games industry has little use for you outside the Marketing department. [QUOTE=CakeMaster7;50222066]Was about to post about her. There were actually a lot more women in the industry back in the 80's and 90's, and I'm not sure why that changed[/QUOTE] It didn't, the media around paints a picture of barren men-laden wastelands groaning under the weight of bilious clouds of testosterone, meanwhile on planet earth a women doing my job is very very likely to be earning more money than I am doing the same thing, and at AAA is going to get insurance, guaranteed family time and guaranteed maternal time with pay. yeah, sounds terrible.... If you listen to the media, whom as we've seen over the last three years have about fuck all for a clue how the industry actually works.

[QUOTE=27X;50222329]Fuck no. Secondly, there's even two of your token batshit sjw "liberals" in the form of Kaplan and Beck on the panel itself. Classic case of causation correlation. A panelist backing out her own volition is completely out of the hands of the presenting panelists, and secondly I can guarantee you if this is the kinda shit you pull, the games industry has little use for you outside the Marketing department.[/QUOTE] Why are you using words like "your" and "you"? Liberals are not a hivemind.

Nice attempt to skate around the issue, but you get zero points for semantics; your does not reference anyone in particular and you (meaning YOU) know it. Secondly, YOU're the guy saying this is a _____ issue not an ______ issue; you were saying something about dismissive blanket labels/hiveminds?

[QUOTE=27X;50222388]Nice attempt to skate around the issue, but you get zero points for semantics; your does not reference anyone in particular and you (meaning YOU) know it. Secondly, YOU're the guy saying this is a _____ issue not an ______ issue; you were saying something about dismissive hiveminds?[/QUOTE] I'm sorry but I'm just really confused to what you are arguing right now. You called two panelists social justice warriors, you're talking about panelists backing out when I thought the University cancelled the event, not them, and you're come off like I'm somehow responsible for the University for being retarded. I don't know what you're even trying to say with those parts. Also, I'm not trying to dismiss anything, and I'm also not representing liberals anywhere. I just asked if this is a liberal issue, an authoritarian issue, or both. You're giving me too much credit if you think I can defuse what you just said.

I can tell you right now that if your a high-level business or exec where your time literally equals money, you probably aren't going to go back for a event that canceled on you over one of the dumbest reasons ever.

... A panelist backed out, thus causing the entire panel to be canceled. A panelists comprised of two people whom have the "correct politics" to present a synergistic view in accordance with the deciding council's own politics. (not the attendees, the people the attendees rely on for the logistics of approving and creating the venue for the panel in the first place) Yet another example of a political bent fucking itself in its own ass to the detriment of people not even involved with identity politics in the first place by denying them information and inspiration. This is like me creating a set of anims of someone picking up a box of toys and then being told I need to run these anims past a random woman and have her sign an affidavit on the street to make sure they're [I]inclusive enough[/I] to "fairly represent" someone in a completely generic set of animations that have no thematics other than utility to begin with. Pants on head stupid. Secondly this is fucking USC, you're gonna tell me with a straight face they can't skype this missing person at a later date, that they somehow lack the resources to still present every view and panelist in perfect viable form? Bullshit. Has nothing to do with you personally, your is inclusive in the sentence, rather clearly so.

If I was student there I would've been absolutely pissed for the event to be canceled for such slight bullshit

[QUOTE=27X;50222517]... A panelist backed out, thus causing the entire panel to be canceled. A panelists comprised of two people whom have the "correct politics" to present a synergistic view in accordance with the deciding council's own politics. (not the attendees, the people the attendees rely on for the logistics of approving and creating the venue for the panel in the first place)[/quote] I thought the event organizer canceled the event because it wasn't diverse enough. Where am I misreading saying that one of the panelists canceled, or in that matter, involved in the decision? Are we talking about the same panelists?

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50222611]I thought the event organizer canceled the event because it wasn't diverse enough. Where am I misreading saying that one of the panelists canceled, or in that matter, involved in the decision? Are we talking about the same panelists?[/QUOTE] Their requirement for hosting the event was having a female panelist, which they complied with, the female panelist bailed at the last minute and so they revoked their ability to host the event. Read the article.

[QUOTE=soulharvester;50222745]Their requirement for hosting the event was having a female panelist, which they complied with, the female panelist bailed at the last minute and so they revoked their ability to host the event. Read the article.[/QUOTE] That's bullshit

[QUOTE=OP;50221579]The student went on to say that it was Professor Anthony Borquez who organized the event, but was told that he must get a female panelist to use event space at the games department. Borquez obliged, but due to a scheduling conflict, the female panelist backed out.[/quote]

[QUOTE=soulharvester;50222745]Their requirement for hosting the event was having a female panelist, which they complied with, the female panelist bailed at the last minute and so they revoked their ability to host the event. Read the article.[/QUOTE] I read the article but the update was not there when I read it (this was before the thread was posted). Also I never read the OP because 75% of the time it's usually cherry picked quotes and you're encouraged to read the full article which is probably my bad. 27X's ramblings make only 10% more sense.

I don't get why they needed a female panelist for the event to even go on. I get there needs to be diversity but the fact they cancelled because the one panelist backed out is terrible

who backed out, was it Riot?

is brandon beck the same brandon beck of bitingbeaver fame, who had a mother who wanted to abort him because he masturbated? It would explain a lot of stuff.

[QUOTE=The Duke;50221733]Legitimate question, can someone name to me a major female legend of the gaming industry that isn't a music composer or sound designer? (There are plenty of amazing female music composers in the gaming industry, such as Yoko Shimomura, but I can't think of anyone outside that field that is considered a major developer)[/QUOTE] Bonnie Ross? Jade Raymond? I mean there's way more guys but there aren't [i]no[/i] gals. I personally find it kinda nuts the students were denied a massive opportunity because there just happened to be no women available.

Seems like a pretty big waste of time, I dont think this was really worth rescheduling the whole thing because one panelist didnt show up.

The more I hear about universities doing stupid asinine shit like this, the more I don't want to go to one.