Germany 'would accept UK exit from EU' to protect migration rules - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Baron von Hax;46394443]Erm, they're not forking out £1.7 bil.[/QUOTE] I feel this is [URL="http://ec.europa.eu/budget/figures/interactive/index_en.cfm"]relevant.[/URL] Also consider that Germany, France and Italy have each contributed more to the total EU budget than the UK.

[QUOTE=Baron von Hax;46394421]Because the UK contributes a hell of a lot. We don't want to be treated special, we deserve to be treated better than shit.[/QUOTE] What the fuck is your problem. The EU already gives the UK its pretty special snowflake status on a lot of issues and it's never enough. It's like the Tories and their supporters want the benefits of the EU without any of the downsides. That's not how it works.

[QUOTE=Baron von Hax;46394443]Erm, they're not forking out £1.7 bil.[/QUOTE] All the member countries have agreed to this calculation method for years, UK included. UK's GDP has risen, thus the required bill has risen up as-well. I guarantee the EU has announced the UK's government of this since the news of UK's economic growth came out. This applies to ALL countries, again, not a special flower.

[QUOTE=proch;46394488]I feel this is [URL="http://ec.europa.eu/budget/figures/interactive/index_en.cfm"]relevant.[/URL] Also consider that Germany, France and Italy have each contributed more to the total EU budget than the UK.[/QUOTE] And fucking Belgium, apparently.

The only problem I have with EU free travel is the idea of it being forced, and the fact that we have to allow everyone in. It isn't exactly fair that someone from outside the EU can be rejected entry, but if they were from an EU member state then they could prance right in without anywhere near as much likelihood of being rejected

Might not be a bad idea to bail on the EU, it's rapidly turning into Japan. Low inflation, high youth unemployment, no growth, complete stagnation across all core markets with no signs of change coming.

[QUOTE=deltasquid;46394490]What the fuck is your problem. The EU already gives the UK its pretty special snowflake status on a lot of issues and it's never enough. It's like the Tories and their supporters want the benefits of the EU without any of the downsides. That's not how it works.[/QUOTE] Free trade with Europe is wonderful, it's the political union people mainly dislike.

[QUOTE=Swineflu;46394496]All the member countries have agreed to this calculation method for years, UK included. UK's GDP has risen, thus the required bill has risen up as-well. I guarantee the EU has announced the UK's government of this since the news of UK's economic growth came out. This applies to ALL countries, again, not a special flower.[/QUOTE] It ticks all the boxes of a broken and manipulated system.

[QUOTE=Baron von Hax;46394523]It ticks all the boxes of a broken and manipulated system.[/QUOTE] That's not an argument

[QUOTE=Memobot;46394273]Why use the term 'special treatment'? The UK is an island, and its position on the map makes it a final destination of sorts for people claiming asylum, which isn't how the current system is supposed to work. It's got problems mainland Europe hasn't. This whole big government thing that makes all these separate countries one, with rules that must be obeyed if the majority wants it doesn't work in that sort of scale. I think Merkel's been a bit foolish. Other countries will follow if the UK leaves.[/QUOTE] The only major industry the UK can rely on right now is banking and service, it will fuck itself so hard if it ever tries to leave EU. Meanwhile Poland is flourishing, Ireland is recovering really well, Spain is on a good track and even Greece is gettin better.

[QUOTE=Coppermoss;46394521]Free trade with Europe is wonderful, it's the political union people mainly dislike.[/QUOTE] isn't this political union doing wonders for consumer protection on the EU?

[QUOTE=Wizards Court;46394586]isn't this political union doing wonders for consumer protection on the EU?[/QUOTE] Amongst other things. If the British leave the EU, they'll still be massively influenced by European politics but won't even have a say in it. Literally the worst option for them.

[QUOTE=Swineflu;46394541]That's not an argument[/QUOTE] You're absolutely right. It's a fact.

[QUOTE=deltasquid;46394497]And fucking Belgium, apparently.[/QUOTE] I think you're looking at the wrong graph. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/JcPnw5s.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Baron von Hax;46394647]You're absolutely right. It's a fact.[/QUOTE] K.

Its in every countries best interest to stay in EU. You'll hurt yourself much much more then you'll hurt the EU if you leave.

[QUOTE=deltasquid;46394611]Amongst other things. If the British leave the EU, they'll still be massively influenced by European politics but won't even have a say in it. Literally the worst option for them.[/QUOTE] It doesn't seem the UK has much sway in it anyway if it can't even get to a negotiation table.

[QUOTE=Swineflu;46394678]K.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Swineflu;46394678]That's not an argument[/QUOTE]

Britain does not have an issue with migrants despite what the papers and media say, you come here, you work a decent job, pay your taxes and stay out of trouble with the law and no one gives a flying fuck, i mean it, zero fucks are given. We do however take issue when useless waste of space jollies come over here and swindle everything they can through the benefit systems and make no effort to get of it or break the damn law. We are fed up of people born in this country doing either we don't want migrants doing it too. That's the main problem Britain has with migrants. The second issue is migrants coming here and working any minimum wage job, we don't need anyone to come here and work in McDonald cause our own unskilled workforce in school leavers and pensioners are begging for the work. Lastly, how many British people are leaving the country to work or live of the state in Romania or Poland? I'm not an expert but I'm gonna guess that it's not many and those that are leaving are not working in a Mcdonalds. [I]Despite agreeing with some of it, The above was through conducting surveys for university and not my opinions , we asked around 500 people give or take off all types in both England and Scotland and that's the overwhelming general consensus we got back over a year ago and i strongly doubt that's changed. [/I] Judging from public opinion we want a system like Australia where we can turn people away if they offer nothing at all and never will or kick them out back to their country of origin for being a right cunt like Abu Qatada, that's what the average Brit wants and the nations in the EU don't for varying reasons. And yeah, i don't see why we're cunts for wanting it to be honest.

[QUOTE=Coppermoss;46394826]It doesn't seem the UK has much sway in it anyway if it can't even get to a negotiation table.[/QUOTE] They have an European parlement representation just like everyone else. They don't need the Germany's support to create a majority, however its unlikely anyone else is willing to support them in restricting European migration laws. However if they can come up with any good reason (or proof they are specifically negatively influenced) surely more then enough members of the European Parliament will be willing to cooperate.

The Australian system would be the best for us

[QUOTE=Fr3ddi3;46394868]Britain does not have an issue with migrants despite what the papers and media say, you come here, you work a decent job, pay your taxes and stay out of trouble with the law and no one gives a flying fuck, i mean it, zero fucks are given. We do however take issue when useless waste of space jollies come over here and swindle everything they can through the benefit systems and make no effort to get of it or break the damn law. We are fed up of people born in this country doing either we don't want migrants doing it too. That's the main problem Britain has with migrants. The second issue is migrants coming here and working any minimum wage job, we don't need anyone to come here and work in McDonald cause our own unskilled workforce in school leavers and pensioners are begging for the work. Lastly, how many British people are leaving the country to work or live of the state in Romania or Poland? I'm not an expert but I'm gonna guess that it's not many and those that are leaving are not working in a Mcdonalds. [I]Despite agreeing with some of it, The above was through conducting surveys for university and not my opinions , we asked around 500 people give or take off all types in both England and Scotland and that's the overwhelming general consensus we got back over a year ago and i strongly doubt that's changed. [/I] Judging from public opinion we want a system like Australia where we can turn people away if they offer nothing at all and never will or kick them out back to their country of origin for being a right cunt like Abu Qatada, that's what the average Brit wants and the nations in the EU don't for varying reasons. And yeah, i don't see why we're cunts for wanting it to be honest.[/QUOTE] Its literally the same in any other EU country, these problems are not specially confined too the UK, Sweden and France both have a higher immigration and unemployment rate then the UK does. The EU is a 100% aware that the more developed countries such as the UK/NL/BE/GR/FR/SW (and more) somewhat carry the countries like Romania, Poland etc. Its their full intent of doing so, and its one of the ways that you as a country invest into the EU.

[QUOTE=Memobot;46394273]Why use the term 'special treatment'? The UK is an island, and its position on the map makes it a final destination of sorts for people claiming asylum, which isn't how the current system is supposed to work. It's got problems mainland Europe hasn't. This whole big government thing that makes all these separate countries one, with rules that must be obeyed if the majority wants it doesn't work in that sort of scale. I think Merkel's been a bit foolish. Other countries will follow if the UK leaves.[/QUOTE] Aren't most of your immigrant problems caused by migrants from commonwealth nations though? Aka those would still keep on causing problems. [QUOTE=Coppermoss;46394826]It doesn't seem the UK has much sway in it anyway if it can't even get to a negotiation table.[/QUOTE] That's more of an issue with UK foreign policy. Population wise they tend to get a lot of seats in the EP. They just don't seem to be able to do anything with them at all, because they generally don't do much beyond try and obstruct. [QUOTE=Wizards Court;46394586]isn't this political union doing wonders for consumer protection on the EU?[/QUOTE] Yes, except the british are abstaining from most of the consumer protection. Not sure if 84/2011 impacts them fully or not though right now. I remember that the old consumer protection standards were lower in the UK compared to the mainland.

[QUOTE=Cold;46394880]They have an European parlement representation just like everyone else. They don't need the Germany's support to create a majority, however its unlikely anyone else is willing to support them in restricting European migration laws. However if they can come up with any good reason (or proof they are specifically negatively influenced) surely more then enough members of the European Parliament will be willing to cooperate.[/QUOTE] Maybe so, but if the Facepunch consensus is anything to go by, then the UK is not particularly liked in the EU. That, and the UK people sent a UKIP majority to the EU parliament. The main point is that a sovereign nation should have complete control over its borders, and that is something that is not possible under the current EU guidelines and treaties.

[QUOTE=Coppermoss;46394957]Maybe so, but if the Facepunch consensus is anything to go by, then the UK is not particularly liked in the EU. That, and the UK people sent a UKIP majority to the EU parliament. The main point is that a sovereign nation should have complete control over its borders, and that is something that is not possible under the current EU guidelines and treaties.[/QUOTE] It wasn't a UKIP Majority, simply that the UKIP got a lot of seats, and joined up with all the other euroskeptic fuckwits across the EU to form a bloq in EU Parliament. And we're not well liked because of the misinformed twats who think migrants are a problem (or anyone on benefits for that matter), which couldn't be farther from the truth. We wanted to sort our problems we should be going after tax dodgers, especially corporate tax dodgers, but that problem rarely gets highlighted because a lot of the people benefiting from it are in or friends of people in power. Leaving the EU will be the dumbest, most self-destructive this nation has done, and that is actually saying something considering we elected fucking Thatcher back in the day.

[QUOTE=Cold;46394918]You're not the only country within the EU with these problems. Both Immigration and Unemployment in the UK isn't especially high compared to other EU countries.[/QUOTE] Yes it is stupidly high and it's full of shit. As iv'e said before our unemployment figures conveniently leave out the following A) Students, If you are in 'full time' education at college or university you are not 'unemployed', full time ewducation here is 16 hours a week, 3-4 days most of the time. B) Anyone not on Benefits, You don't have a job either but your not 'unemployed' C) Government Training schemes, still no payment D) And my personal favorite the Zero Hour Contract. Where you might work just 1 day a week and your classed as employed because of it. Factor those back in and unemployment is no better than it was 10 years ago, in fact I'd lay money on it being worse.

[QUOTE=Fr3ddi3;46395003]Yes it is stupidly high and it's full of shit. As iv'e said before our unemployment figures conveniently leave out the following A) Students, If you are in 'full time' education at college or university you are not 'unemployed' B) Anyone not on Benefits, You don't have a job either but your not 'unemployed' C) Government Training schemes, still no payment D) And my personal favorite the Zero Hour Contract. Where you might work just 1 day a week and your classed as employed because of it. Factor those back in and unemployment is no better than it was 10 years ago, in fact I'd lay money on it being worse.[/QUOTE] Yeah newsflash - that's pretty standard outside of the UK.

[QUOTE=Fr3ddi3;46394868]Britain does not have an issue with migrants despite what the papers and media say, you come here, you work a decent job, pay your taxes and stay out of trouble with the law and no one gives a flying fuck, i mean it, zero fucks are given. We do however take issue when useless waste of space jollies come over here and swindle everything they can through the benefit systems and make no effort to get of it or break the damn law. We are fed up of people born in this country doing either we don't want migrants doing it too. That's the main problem Britain has with migrants. The second issue is migrants coming here and working any minimum wage job, we don't need anyone to come here and work in McDonald cause our own unskilled workforce in school leavers and pensioners are begging for the work. Lastly, how many British people are leaving the country to work or live of the state in Romania or Poland? I'm not an expert but I'm gonna guess that it's not many and those that are leaving are not working in a Mcdonalds. [I]Despite agreeing with some of it, The above was through conducting surveys for university and not my opinions , we asked around 500 people give or take off all types in both England and Scotland and that's the overwhelming general consensus we got back over a year ago and i strongly doubt that's changed. [/I] Judging from public opinion we want a system like Australia where we can turn people away if they offer nothing at all and never will or kick them out back to their country of origin for being a right cunt like Abu Qatada, that's what the average Brit wants and the nations in the EU don't for varying reasons. And yeah, i don't see why we're cunts for wanting it to be honest.[/QUOTE] pensioners are begging for work? where did you get that idea? they're pensioners because they're exactly that - people who are done working and are now claiming a pension.

[QUOTE=Bobie;46395188]pensioners are begging for work? where did you get that idea? they're pensioners because they're exactly that - people who are done working and are now claiming a pension.[/QUOTE] There's plenty of pensioners who still want to work despite being retired. I work with 3 who choose not to sit on their ass all day because it bores them senseless, read that as part time or casual work not 40+ hours a week.

[QUOTE=Fr3ddi3;46395312]There's plenty of pensioners who still want to work despite being retired. I work with 3 who choose not to sit on their ass all day because it bores them senseless, read that as part time or casual work not 40+ hours a week.[/QUOTE] yeah my grandmother is a nurse and still works parts time but also claims pension since she was supposed to retire but theres a shortage of nurses.