• [UK] Britain to buy 138 f35s
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[t]https://d8s293fyljwh4.cloudfront.net/petitions/images/95711/hero/MiftnyD.gif?1417180224[/t] [sp]Osborne tripping balls in parliment - I believe this is him fantasizing about how many f35s he could buy. "What do you mean we can't afford 1 million f35s? Well how many can we afford?"[/sp] [url]https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/britain-to-purchase-138-f-35s/[/url] [url]http://aviationweek.com/defense/uk-buy-138-f-35s-will-boost-fighter-squadrons[/url] A worse dedicated fighter than our current fighter. A comparable bomber to our current fighter-bomber. Overpriced. Stealth tech and avionics leaked to china already. A £263000 helmet? All the while our NHS doctors strike for fairer pay, cuts are being made to police (they no longer attend burglaries), cuts are being made to social security (tax credit cut will put 200000 children into poverty in the next year) and our national debt is still growing despite austerity measures. Big society. We're all in this together. Fuck you Osborne and Cameron you cunts.
Thank you for again supporting the American Military Industrial complex. Keeping you safe by advocating more wars.
I'm legitimately stunned that they are gutting the NHS while adding 12 fucking billion pounds to the defence budget. I hate literally everything that this government says
George 'We've All Got To Make Cuts' Osborne... And of course, whilst he buys a fleet of Flying Cocks to supplement his rapidly-deflating self-esteem, he's still making about 1/3 of the Ministry of Defence's civil servants redundant. But he'll use this as a reason why he's actually [I]supporting[/I] the armed forces! [editline]24th November 2015[/editline] How many sacrifices have the 1% of Britain had to make in the last 5 years, exactly? Apart from a few of them having to pay the tax they legally owe (and even then, half of them got let off)?
[QUOTE=old_hag12;49173749]Thank you for again supporting the American Military Industrial complex. Keeping you safe by advocating more wars.[/QUOTE] Well, we did help design and build the damn thing. Maybe we'll see these Lightnings fly off our new carriers soon enough.
This is fucking ridiculous. what is he doing why
[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49173878]This is fucking ridiculous. what is he doing why[/QUOTE] Its all 1 big social experiment. In a year they'll say "sorry you had to go through all that, this entire country is a test to see how people fair under increasingly hopeless conditions. We'll stop messing around and fix the country in a week, heres the stats and how we are to do it. Tarra"
Especially fucked considering they've been cutting military spending on soldiers, and have significantly shrunk the army, putting loads of soldiers into unemployment. They'll happily cut when it means fucking people over, putting servicemen into poverty (something Corbynhas said he'd never do btw), whilst spending on arms increases when it helps their corporate military industrial backers. Says a lot about their mentality.
Really puts things into perspective how the once mighty britain's now a second-hand customer of overpriced contraptions.
I was pretty gobsmacked when I read this, this morning Maybe 2 or 3 dozen F-35's so we actually have something to put on our new aircraft carriers? Fine. It might not be able to do dogfighting or ground attack extremely well but in that capacity the flexibility makes sense. But 138?! That's fucking insane. The total unit cost of that is about $35b from my rough calculations, its absolutely laughable that the Tories can claim to be the "repairing the economy" party and then announce that. The Tornado [I]is[/I] just absurdly obsolete by this point and only the fact the RAF is being deployed against opposition without serious anti-aircraft is keeping it in use, but as the OP says it least it does the job we use it for well enough.
What the fuuuuck
I want out of this country.
[QUOTE=Dr.Critic;49173932]I was pretty gobsmacked when I read this, this morning Maybe 2 or 3 dozen F-35's so we actually have something to put on our new aircraft carriers? Fine. It might not be able to do dogfighting or ground attack extremely well but in that capacity the flexibility makes sense. But 138?! That's fucking insane. The total unit cost of that is about $35b from my rough calculations, its absolutely laughable that the Tories can claim to be the "repairing the economy" party and then announce that. The Tornado [I]is[/I] just absurdly obsolete by this point and only the fact the RAF is being deployed against opposition without serious anti-aircraft is keeping it in use, but as the OP says it least it does the job we use it for well enough.[/QUOTE] The Tornado airframes themselves are beat up and very 'old' but do their job perfectly fine, I agree we can't keep an ageing aircraft in use for too long but to buy 138 F-35s is not the answer. Unless WW3 is happening in the next 5 years it'll just be another expensive toy that can't do a simple bomb carrying job better than an older jet can. Put money into the health service you slimey cunt, I am all for keeping ahead of the game and having a decently funded military but this is ridiculous.
[QUOTE=Tools;49173924]Really puts things into perspective how the once mighty britain's now a second-hand customer of overpriced contraptions.[/QUOTE] The F-35 is far from overpriced. The only F-35 that's actually having any significant problems is the B variant, the one that's supposed to have VTOL capabilities. The others work just fine and are pretty god damn excellent aircraft for 104 Million per compared to the F-22 which 3 times that. [editline]23rd November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=CrumbleShake;49173904]Especially fucked considering they've been cutting military spending on soldiers, and have significantly shrunk the army, putting loads of soldiers into unemployment. They'll happily cut when it means fucking people over, putting servicemen into poverty (something Corbynhas said he'd never do btw), whilst spending on arms increases when it helps their corporate military industrial backers. Says a lot about their mentality.[/QUOTE] Yeah, your government keeps saying you need to cut things like the NHS and the Military but they're are also cutting taxes. Your government right now is completely insane.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;49174089]The F-35 is far from overpriced. The only F-35 that's actually having any significant problems is the B variant, the one that's supposed to have VTOL capabilities. The others work just fine and are pretty god damn excellent aircraft for 104 Million per compared to the F-22 which 3 times that.[/QUOTE] Source states B is what we're buying. Also see point that our fighters are already equal/better and the f35 isn't any better than our current fighter-bomber, if we want a better bomber we should get a better bomber. Even if some argument could be made for the f35 (eg carrier capability, eurofighter can be adapted for carrier capability) then the quantity is still difficult/impossible to justify. [editline]24th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=TornadoAP;49174089] Yeah, your government keeps saying you need to cut things like the NHS and the Military but they're are also cutting taxes. Your government right now is completely insane.[/QUOTE] Frankly I'm happy to pay the trivial amount in tax for a working health service, a robust social security system and a police force which attends crime scenes. Thats just me though. Maybe you'd rather save the pocket change in taxes. Maybe once they get everything privatized and taxes nice and low we can live in a utopia equivalent to the USA with competitive healthcare and compassionate police.
[QUOTE=Mr Kotov;49173965]I want out of this country.[/QUOTE] To where exactly? Everywhere is shit now.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;49174089]Yeah, your government keeps saying you need to cut things like the NHS and the Military but they're are also cutting taxes. Your government right now is completely insane.[/QUOTE] This happens every time the Tories are unopposed, just for a few years of pain as Labour try and undo the damage done to public services as much as possible. Though without a Corbyn win, I doubt that Labour will actually try and undo these awful decisions in any meaningful way. Borderline Tory-lite for the most part now.
Well, guess they gotta justify building the new carriers somehow(they have 1 built with 2 being built, each carrier carries around 40-50 planes).
[QUOTE=Mr Kotov;49173965]I want out of this country.[/QUOTE] I want Cameron out of this country
I really thought we were past this as a collective, and I am sick of seeing these threads whenever there is news -- sure, argue about the money allocation to the defence force, but the F-35 as the first iteration of a multi-role 5th gen aircraft, is not as bad as you seem to think it is.
This exact number has been known since [url=http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/11/25/us-lockheed-fighter-exclusive-idUSTRE5AO01F20091125#EgwT34FweaBryBhm.97]at least 2009[/url] and was originally devised by the Labour government, they've just reaffirmed their commitment to it again. Edit: [url=http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4d0572d2-b3c9-11da-89c7-0000779e2340.html]Looks like[/url] the UK was 'scheduled to buy 150' of them as of 2006
I know you guys hate the F35 but they are already building carriers that are useless without them.
[QUOTE=Bradyns;49174285]I really thought we were past this as a collective, and I am sick of seeing these threads whenever there is news -- sure, argue about the money allocation to the defence force, but the F-35 as the first iteration of a multi-role 5th gen aircraft, is not as bad as you seem to think it is.[/QUOTE] Why do we need fancy new jets when we're not at war with any countries that have anything better than what we currently employ? Said fancy jets aren't going to make a shred of difference in such an event if our economy keeps going down the shitter, something that not blowing billions on said jets could help alleviate. The F-35 could be the pinnacle of combat aircraft design and it wouldn't make a difference; We don't need them, we need the money that's being spent on them going other places.
[QUOTE=smurfy;49174338]This exact number has been known since [url=http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/11/25/us-lockheed-fighter-exclusive-idUSTRE5AO01F20091125#EgwT34FweaBryBhm.97]at least 2009[/url] and was originally devised by the Labour government, they've just reaffirmed their commitment to it again. Edit: [url=http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4d0572d2-b3c9-11da-89c7-0000779e2340.html]Looks like[/url] the UK was 'scheduled to buy 150' of them as of 2006[/QUOTE] Thank you for posting this so I don't have to. Might make people think again before just shouting "fucking tories" every time something like this happens I'd also like to add that the first article says that this is all currently speculation
[QUOTE=Saxon;49174348]I know you guys hate the F35 but they are already building carriers that are useless without them.[/QUOTE] Yeah we need at least 100 of them for the carriers, and from the 5 secs I just spent in google I don't think there is any alternative jet that will work with our new carriers cus they need to be STOVL [t]http://imgkk.com/i/3ul8.jpg[/t] It'll be finished next year
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;49173729]A worse dedicated fighter than our current fighter.[/QUOTE] Hahahaha no A JSF is gonna pop an AMRAAM before the Typhoon can even detect it. The F-35 isn't perfect but to say it's worse is very incorrect. [QUOTE=mdeceiver79;49173729]A comparable bomber to our current fighter-bomber.[/QUOTE] This is Debatable. [QUOTE=mdeceiver79;49173729]Stealth tech and avionics leaked to china already.[/QUOTE] It's gonna take china quiet some time to do jack shit with that leak.
[QUOTE=smurfy;49174487]Yeah we need at least 100 of them for the carriers, and from the 5 secs I just spent in google I don't think there is any alternative jet that will work with our new carriers cus they need to be STOVL [t]http://imgkk.com/i/3ul8.jpg[/t] It'll be finished next year[/QUOTE] Instead of spending the money for a proper catapult, they switched back to a carrier ramp, which is worthless.
Which F-35? If its the A or C, those have been flight and combat capable for awhile now. Its the F-35B that's having issues. [editline]23rd November 2015[/editline] Everytime I see this, I have to ask because people seem to only focus on the B varient and not the other variants.
[QUOTE=smurfy;49174487]Yeah we need at least 100 of them for the carriers, and from the 5 secs I just spent in google I don't think there is any alternative jet that will work with our new carriers cus they need to be STOVL [t]http://imgkk.com/i/3ul8.jpg[/t] It'll be finished next year[/QUOTE] They could probably save more space and just ditch that ramp for VTOL
Wow, all this stupid misinformation about the F35. Lets makes this clear: *It's 3x cheaper than the only other 5th gen fighter, the F22, and only slightly less capable. *It's 20 -50% cheaper than any 4.5 gen fighter and many times more capable. *The obscene sounding program costs thrown around are for 4000+ aircraft over the entire 60 year life of the project. *Every new Western aircraft over the last half-century has had significant teething problem and generally later on went on to be exceptional aircraft. *Anything Pierre Sprey is complete shite.
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