• The Big Bang Theory: Half of Americans 'Doubtful' it Happened
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[QUOTE=ryandaniels;44613345]These surveys study people's stubbornness more than actual beliefs. Anyone not retarded knows that the big bang can't be proven unequivocally and since they dislike the question and feel like saying "yes" is like saying they, who know very little about the bang theory, blindly trust other people (scientists, who they probably dislike), and are essentially, stupid and small. So OF COURSE they are gonna try and retain their dignity by saying they are "not confident" whether it happened. Hell, I'm not "confident" it happened, if I'm completely honest, simply because it's too ethereal of a concept. I mean, sure, I 100% accept that it's the current accepted theory, and that it's quite unlikely that's gonna change because there's a shitload of evidence for it. That I do know for sure. But am I confident it happened? Logically, yes. Intuitionally, absolutely not.[/QUOTE] So, which one do you trust today? Logic or intuition? :v:
Logic, of course.
[QUOTE=Ziks;44613368]I was thinking in an Eternal Inflation sense where different pocket regions of space have their own Big Bangs.[/QUOTE] Or cyclic with one recurring big bang, closed universe.
[QUOTE=Ziks;44613368]I was thinking in an Eternal Inflation sense where different pocket regions of space have their own Big Bangs.[/QUOTE] Eternal inflation is not really accepted as standard yet.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;44613411]Eternal inflation is not really accepted as standard yet.[/QUOTE] I'll always accept you Eternal Inflation <3
[QUOTE=ryandaniels;44613345]Hell, I'm not "confident" it happened, if I'm completely honest, simply because it's too ethereal of a concept.[/QUOTE] how do you feel about quantum mechanics
[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;44613451]how do you feel about quantum mechanics[/QUOTE] Probably less confident than the Big Bang Theory, why do you ask? The point that I'm trying to make is that I can separate my feelings from my reason. My feelings wouldn't tell me most of the science I [B]do[/B] believe is true. That's why it's a good thing I don't use those to make decisions when it comes to matters like this. I just think the question, as asked, polls feelings, not logic. Confidence is literally just a feeling. Yes, maybe a feeling that can be influenced by past thoughts and logic, but it's still a feeling. edit: Ah, it was a joke. Don't know why I didn't pick up on that.
[QUOTE=ryandaniels;44613494]Probably less confident than the Big Bang Theory, why do you ask? The point that I'm trying to make is that I can separate my feelings from my reason. My feelings wouldn't tell me most of the science I [B]do[/B] believe is true. That's why it's a good thing I don't use those to make decisions when it comes to matters like this. I just think the question, as asked, polls feelings, not logic. Confidence is literally just a feeling. Yes, maybe a feeling that can be influenced by past thoughts and logic, but it's still a feeling. edit: Ah, it was a joke. Don't know why I didn't pick up on that.[/QUOTE] But like, what more do you need to feel good about something then have it be verified experimentally? I just don't get it.
[QUOTE=Lijitsu;44613362]God forbid someone dare to make a joke after several posts giving an actual answer to the question.[/QUOTE] I was just fooling around man, <3
[QUOTE=ryandaniels;44613494]Probably less confident than the Big Bang Theory, why do you ask? The point that I'm trying to make is that I can separate my feelings from my reason. My feelings wouldn't tell me most of the science I [B]do[/B] believe is true. That's why it's a good thing I don't use those to make decisions when it comes to matters like this. I just think the question, as asked, polls feelings, not logic. Confidence is literally just a feeling. Yes, maybe a feeling that can be influenced by past thoughts and logic, but it's still a feeling.[/QUOTE] Why would you not be confident that an incredibly well-verified theory is true? Are you incapable of using reason to override your gut feelings?
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;44613510]Why would you not be confident that an incredibly well-verified theory is true? Are you incapable of using reason to override your gut feelings?[/QUOTE] I feel like that's the opposite of what I'm saying. But how exactly does one "override" one's feelings? I guess it's possible to use mind over matter to make yourself feel anything or convince yourself of anything you like (Actors do this, obviously), I just don't see the point when the end result is the same (assuming you can make decisions without letting feelings unduly interfere).
[QUOTE=ryandaniels;44613565]I feel like that's the opposite of what I'm saying. [/QUOTE] Then I don't understand what you're saying. [QUOTE=ryandaniels;44613565]But how exactly does one "override" one's feelings? I guess it's possible to use mind over matter to make yourself feel anything or convince yourself of anything you like (Actors do this, obviously), I just don't see the point when the end result is the same (assuming you can make decisions without letting feelings unduly interfere).[/QUOTE] If you let your belief in a theory be any way dictated by how you "feel" about the theory, you're going to want to verify your feelings and ignore evidence. These seems to be what happens a lot with crackpots and their theories: they don't understand or have some philosophical objection to e.g. relativity, and so they spend a ton of time trying to show that it's not true, ignoring how it actually works. How you feel about a theory should follow from a reasonable assessment of the theory's strengths first.
[QUOTE=Arctic Snow;44613506]I was just fooling around man, <3[/QUOTE] WELL GOD FINE MAKE ME LOOK LIKE THE ASSHOLE, JEEZE! I kid. It's all good.
I refuse to believe The Big Bang Theory occurred. Its a horrible show.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;44613589] If you let your belief in a theory be any way dictated by how you "feel" about the theory...[/QUOTE] I don't. I do believe in the big bang theory. I'm not sure if this is something to do with a different interpretation of "confidence" or what. For what it's worth, if I sat down and spent a few hours reading all the most important papers on the topic, I may feel "confident" about it. Maybe I should, if only because it's interesting. But the average person can't or won't read every scientific journal and research paper to convince themselves of everything there is to know. They are still going to be polled, however. Which is why I think polls like this are stupid.
I believe in Family Guy's interpretation of the big bang theory.
Wtf happened wrong thread.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;44609573]Part of the post, I can see that being true, but...[/QUOTE] The problem with being skeptical of the scientific community is the fact that you've gotta be part of it and have a well-based hunch that it's wrong. You've gotta have some evidence to back you up, and simply being skeptical and [I]believing[/I] something is wrong is not correct. There is a law of gravitation but also a theory of why gravity occurs, and saying you're skeptical of that explanation without evidence would make you look like a loony.
I'll choose to believe the show never existed instead thanks.
[QUOTE=spekter;44615335]I'll choose to believe the show never existed instead thanks.[/QUOTE] That's like the 3rd time someone's said that.
[QUOTE=Falubii;44615341]That's like the 3rd time someone's said that.[/QUOTE] I choose to believe (aka not read the thread like the lazybones I am) that I was the first one who said it.
I just following along the tail end of science. It looks at the universe and makes sense of it with the best of it's abilities. I love science, for every mystery solved is a hundred more surfaced. Humans are curious by nature, that is why science exists and why we apply it to the world outside our tiny existence. The amount of evidence we discover for these theories is irrefutably there. The more we discover, the more we will narrow down the truth. I've always wanted to go to post-secondary school for science to be apart of this, but I can probably never afford it in this lifetime.
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;44609172]Doesn't matter what you think, science is true. That's what's great about it.[/QUOTE] Scientific understanding =/= "truth" [editline]23rd April 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Tetsmega;44609244]Actually it's true until it is disproved[/QUOTE] God is true?
We literally have photos of the 'mushroom cloud' of the bigbang what more do people need?
[QUOTE=RobbL;44618198]God is true?[/QUOTE] He was referring to testable things.
[QUOTE=Falubii;44618473]He was referring to testable things.[/QUOTE] The Lovecraftian gods are true?
[QUOTE=FurrehFaux;44609145] "not too confident" or "not at all confident"[/QUOTE] (i.e "not too smart" or "not at all smart")
science is just my top 3rd class that I listen to, some science stuff I never really got interested into deeply, while other subjects I actually do. My only interested within school was history and computer repair, because I cared about learning about the past and cared about learning modern computers. Maybe the reason why I don't remember half of the science stuff is due to bad teaching, lack of interest of varies of subjects, and lack of a proper understanding that help me remember much... I was not truely dedicated towards science.
[QUOTE=RobbL;44618524]The Lovecraftian gods are true?[/QUOTE] I don't really know what silly point you're trying to make, but I'll just leave [URL="http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof"]thi[/URL][URL="http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof"]s[/URL] here.
I don't really doubt it's real so much as I wish it wasn't. OH wait a minute they're talking about the actual theory! v:v:v
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