76% of Britons believe Islam is 'not compatible' with our way of life - Polidicks

Well considering "86.0%" (Probably less due to illegal immigration) of Britian is white and the rest are immigrants 76% of 86% is alot. Source: British Census 2012: [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20687168[/url]

[QUOTE=Scrimp;39345086]I think he means as an individual person or group of people. Not as a colonial force.[/QUOTE] That happened with the US on more than one occasion.

[QUOTE=BloodRayne;39345109]Well considering "86.0%" (Probably less due to illegal immigration) of Britian is white and the rest are immigrants 76% of 86% is alot. Source: British Census 2012: [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20687168[/url][/QUOTE] Wait are you seriously assuming 100% of the people who are scared enough of Muslims to say these kinds of things are English, Scottish, Welsh, or North Irish white people?

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;39345130]Wait are you seriously assuming 100% of the people who are scared enough of Muslims to say these kinds of things are English, Scottish, Welsh, or North Irish white people?[/QUOTE] We brits are not scared of muslims. We dislike Islam because it's a religion of war and foreign ideals. It's a religion that seeks to take over. It does not integrate only segregate.

[QUOTE=BloodRayne;39345211]We brits are not scared of muslims. We dislike Islam because it's a religion of war and foreign ideals. It's a religion that seeks to take over. It does not integrate only segregate.[/QUOTE] You don't actually know anyone who is Muslim do you?

[QUOTE=BloodRayne;39345211]We brits are not scared of muslims. We dislike Islam because it's a religion of war and foreign ideals. It's a religion that seeks to take over. It does not integrate only segregate.[/QUOTE] Yeah dude I think Saladin is marching on London right now! Someone get the Lionheart and we'll throw 'em back into the sea! Oh wait, it's the 21st century.

[QUOTE=BloodRayne;39345211]We brits are not scared of muslims. We dislike Islam because it's a religion of war and foreign ideals. It's a religion that seeks to take over. It does not integrate only segregate.[/QUOTE] You are not our nominated spokesperson

All this British paranoia of Muslims and Islam is absolutely disgusting. It would be like an American saying something like "oh them damned Mexicans are going to take all of our jobs". Because their culture is different from yours that automatically means that they are the enemy?

[QUOTE=Valnar;39345218]You don't actually know anyone who is Muslim do you?[/QUOTE] I do, although of my generation not older, they are borderline atheist and do not practice. They are normal, nice people although they themselves feel oppressed by living under parents who do practice islam. There's a reason why there's strong hatred from seekhs and hindus against islam, long years of war in which the seekhs got ethnically cleansed. [editline]24th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=James*;39345244]You are not our nominated spokesperson[/QUOTE] So your scared of muslims? [editline]24th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=N-12_Aden;39345258]All this British paranoia of Muslims and Islam is absolutely disgusting. It would be like an American saying something like "oh them damned Mexicans are going to take all of our jobs". Because their culture is different from yours that automatically means that they are the enemy?[/QUOTE] You cannot compare a religion to a race of people. Pakistanis are nothing like the turks. Both however follow islam, turkey being much more free and moderate.

[QUOTE=BloodRayne;39345268]I do, although of my generation not older, they are borderline atheist are do not practice. They are normal, nice people although they themselves feel oppressed by living under parents who do practice islam. There's a reason why there's strong hatred from seekhs and hindus against islam, long years of war in which the seekhs got ethnically cleansed. [editline]24th January 2013[/editline] So your scared of muslims?[/QUOTE] I just don't want people thinking we're all semi-literate xenophobes

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;39345230]Yeah dude I think Saladin is marching on London right now! Someone get the Lionheart and we'll throw 'em back into the sea! Oh wait, it's the 21st century.[/QUOTE] Your the kind of person on facepunch who lives in a box, and seeks to throw your "pro immigration" bullshit at everyone else without debate. You make me sick.

[QUOTE=BloodRayne;39345299]You make me sick.[/QUOTE] You too mate, you too.

To be honest I still can't believe there is actually a state religion in Britain in the 21st century. The fact religious people can have an actual impact on huge decisions is beyond me, just because of how much of an uncontrolled bias it is. Of course a government is going to take decisions that are not purely objective, but the government is elected by the people to match their own political views. The religious guys who have such a political impact were not chosen by anyone. [editline]24th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=BloodRayne;39345211]We brits are not scared of muslims. We dislike Islam because it's a religion of war and foreign ideals. It's a religion that seeks to take over. It does not integrate only segregate.[/QUOTE] You have absolutely no fucking clue what Islam is about if you think it's a religion of war. Go read a book.

[QUOTE=BloodRayne;39344751]People who follow Islam follow a different way of life to western values. They will never integrate but only seek to take over. Maybe if you read the quran abit you will understand that it states that all those who do not follow Islam should either be enslaved or if they go against Islam killed.[/QUOTE] Funny you should mention that - So does the Bible. Expansionism is a tenet of all Abrahamic religions.

This countries not even that good, go somewhere else!

[QUOTE=BloodRayne;39345299]Your the kind of person on facepunch who lives in a box, and seeks to throw your "pro immigration" bullshit at everyone else without debate. You make me sick.[/QUOTE] Tell me, have you lived in the Middle East? I grew up there. I'm not a muslim, nor a Christian, but I can tell you, with the authority of someone with first-hand experience, that you are so full of shit I'm surprised it's not coming out of your mouth.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;39345325] Go read a book. [/QUOTE] So if you know the true Islam then, what book will enlighten him?

[QUOTE=TehMentos;39345391]So if you know the true Islam then, what book will enlighten him?[/QUOTE] How about the tons and tons of books that explain how Islam works and what's in the Quran without being biased or anything Hell even go read one of these you'll still be better off than spewing out nonsense about something you don't know shit about [t]http://www.avraidire.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/QURAN-DUMMIES-238x300.jpg[/t][t]http://images.betterworldbooks.com/076/Islam-for-Dummies-Clark-Malcolm-9780764555039.jpg[/t] But here's the thing in a nutshell. Islam is a religion that condemns war, violence and murder. The dipshits pretending they are waging war for the sake of Allah are just a bunch of hypocrites who just want control and seek nothing but power, and use religion to justify themselves because they corrupted it to be a tool of authority and obscurantism. For instance, the Jihad is not an actual war against the infidels but a war against your own corruption. It involves more thinking about yourself than firebombing the guy next door.

Most Britons attitude to Islam is the equivalent of a Muslim reading the bits of the Bible about stoning kids, then looking at the Westboro Baptist Church and deciding based on that that Christianity is a barbaric religion that is incompatible with civilisation.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;39345325]To be honest I still can't believe there is actually a state religion in Britain in the 21st century. The fact religious people can have an actual impact on huge decisions is beyond me, just because of how much of an uncontrolled bias it is. Of course a government is going to take decisions that are not purely objective, but the government is elected by the people to match their own political views. The religious guys who have such a political impact were not chosen by anyone. [editline]24th January 2013[/editline] You have absolutely no fucking clue what Islam is about if you think it's a religion of war. Go read a book.[/QUOTE] Ok let's read the quran. [quote]"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." Quran: (Surah 5:51)[/quote] [quote]4:34 . . . If you fear highhandedness from your wives, remind them [of the teaching of God], then ignore them when you go to bed, then hit them. If they obey you, you have no right to act against them. God is most high and great Quran: (Sura 4:34)[/quote]

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39344432]the british should take the french attitude to religion [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La%C3%AFcit%C3%A9[/url][/QUOTE] [i]Whoa man, that's Laicist![/i]

[quote]"The Jews and Christians say: 'We are the children of God and His loved ones.' Say: 'Why then does He punish you for your sins?" (Surah 5:18) [/quote] You sly quran you.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;39345412]But here's the thing in a nutshell. Islam is a religion that condemns war, violence and murder.[/QUOTE] no it isnt you can cherrypick a selection of quotes to say its a pretext for war or a book of peace believe me, holy books are contradictory and usually factually inaccurate we don't even think jesus existed, and muhammed existing is on shaky ground too because the first written source to mention either of them is unreliable and biased

The second surah you quoted is mistranslated. The word Waidriboohunna (hit), which comes from the verb daraba, means a lot of things. It means hit, sure, but it also means travel, quit, explain, etc. The word is used several times in the quran for various purposes, some of which cannot be translated with Hit. This is the issue with translations, and to an extent the issue with Arabic languages : they often use a same word for very various meanings, and it's very easy when translating the text to manipulate it.

[QUOTE=BloodRayne;39345453]Ok let's read the quran.[/QUOTE] how about i go pull up some disturbing quotes from the Bible (there are plenty) and decide on that basis that all christians are evil

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39345518]we don't even think jesus existed[/QUOTE] I thought evidence for Jesus was fairly good? Didn't the Romans keep pretty good records on him, including a bit of the preaching stuff and his death? Roman records are usually pretty good [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_watling_street](Unless it's about numbers of barbarians in a battle)[/url]

[QUOTE=BloodRayne;39345506]You sly quran you.[/QUOTE] How do you feel about this quote? edit. [Quote][I]You must destroy all the nations the LORD your God hands over to you. Show them no mercy and do not worship their gods[/I][/Quote]

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39345518]no it isnt you can cherrypick a selection of quotes to say its a pretext for war or a book of peace [/quote] The book clearly condemns murder, there's no going around that. [QUOTE=Sobotnik;39345518]we don't even think jesus existed, and muhammed existing is on shaky ground too because the first written source to mention either of them is unreliable and biased[/QUOTE] Jesus of Nazarreth sure was a real guy. His life was extremely romanticized by a lot of people, sure, but he existed to begin with. A lot of the people mentioned in the bible existed at some point, but their life and actions were deeply modified for obvious religious reasons. As for Muhammad, whether he existed or not is unclear but his origins are certainly romanticized as well. According to the book, he is supposed to be an illiterate dude who by the grace of god managed to write one of the most well written and poetic books of its language. This is obviously exaggerated, but there was probably a guy who did write the book, or maybe several who hid behind the name of Muhammad. Considering the quran comes form a mostly oral tradition though, chances are Muhammad did exist at first, even though he was very likely different from what the book describes.

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;39345556]I thought evidence for Jesus was fairly good? Didn't the Romans keep pretty good records on him, including a bit of the preaching stuff and his death? Roman records are usually pretty good [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_watling_street](Unless it's about numbers of barbarians in a battle)[/url][/QUOTE] Nope, no contemporary records of Jesus existed during his lifetime. The first written sources to mention the religion didn't occur for another few decades (or are "copies" of older sources) and the first actual sources to mention Jesus by name are from even later.

Islam is a chill religion, but the Islamic Culture is something else. You can't just bring your culture into the everyday life if you're in a country with a different culture. There's nothing wrong with keeping cultural identity, but not in your daily routine if it interferes with the defaults of said country.