76% of Britons believe Islam is 'not compatible' with our way of life - Polidicks

Seriously go read a book about the quran before you talk shit about it, of course it's not a perfect book, it's been written more than a thousand years ago, but it's not the fucking necronomicon either. [editline]24th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=proch;39345608]Islam is a chill religion, but the Islamic Culture is something else. You can't just bring your culture into the everyday life if you're in a country with a different culture. There's nothing wrong with keeping cultural identity, but not in your daily routine if it interferes with the defaults of said country.[/QUOTE] This is kind of obvious. You'd expect someone that comes into a different country to accept to embrace the national culture, which doesn't mean give up on his roots. Sadly people are entitled and both sides tend to be filled with idiots that won't hear reason.

[QUOTE=Valnar;39345579]How do you feel about this quote? edit.[/QUOTE] You didn't add a verse or chapter, you could have just made that up.

I understand that anecdotal evidence is usually frowned upon but if you look at schools and social groups you find that white people will stick with white people and brown people with brown people, I'm not trying to stand on either side of the fence with this comment but you can't disagree with the point that you'd like to see more social integration of the two sides rather than sticking in clumps where you become further entrenched by those surrounding you. I know you can't force people to "play together" but when you share something similar with somebody else your view is enforced by theirs and you feel better about it, like when somebody says "Yeah fuck Pakis man they're trying to take over the country 'n' shit!" and their friends agree with them you don't gain anything from this, the same applies to the reverse but I feel there needs to be more interconnection between the two, rather throwing shit from each side.

People like to say that Islam is a religion of war, because of a few lines of text. News flash, the bible is exactly the same in that regard. So with that logic Christianity is also a religion of war.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;39345580]The book clearly condemns murder, there's no going around that.[/quote] [quote]Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."[/quote] gg on reading comprehension i can pick out quotes that its for war or peace [quote]Jesus of Nazarreth sure was a real guy. His life was extremely romanticized by a lot of people, sure, but he existed to begin with. A lot of the people mentioned in the bible existed at some point, but their life and actions were deeply modified for obvious religious reasons.[/quote] Give me evidence he existed please (reliable evidence). [quote]As for Muhammad, whether he existed or not is unclear but his origins are certainly romanticized as well. According to the book, he is supposed to be an illiterate dude who by the grace of god managed to write one of the most well written and poetic books of its language. This is obviously exaggerated, but there was probably a guy who did write the book, or maybe several who hid behind the name of Muhammad. Considering the quran comes form a mostly oral tradition though, chances are Muhammad did exist at first, even though he was very likely different from what the book describes.[/QUOTE] No biographies existed of Muhammed for about a century or so, plus when the Arab conquests began, the Europeans initially did not refer to them as Muslims.

[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;39345655]I understand that anecdotal evidence is usually frowned upon but if you look at schools and social groups you find that white people will stick with white people and brown people with brown people, I'm not trying to stand on either side of the fence with this comment but you can't disagree with the point that you'd like to see more social integration of the two sides rather than sticking in clumps where you become further entrenched by those surrounding you. I know you can't force people to "play together" but when you share something similar with somebody else your view is enforced by theirs and you feel better about it, like when somebody says "Yeah fuck Pakis man they're trying to take over the country 'n' shit!" and their friends agree with them you don't gain anything from this, the same applies to the reverse but I feel there needs to be more interconnection between the two, rather throwing shit from each side.[/QUOTE] I do find it entertaining that a bunch of privileged white kids make sweeping judgments on the scary brown people. [QUOTE=BloodRayne;39345453]Ok let's read the quran.[/QUOTE] Case in point, this guy.

Guys, c'mon of course they aren't compatible: 1.) Tea does not flow through they're veins 2.) They don't spooge marmalade 4.) They're flesh is not made from crumpets! 5.) They fail to laugh at Fawlty Towers and Father Ted! Why We aren't compatible with them: 1.) The South-West, North and most places that aren't cities are predominately racist 2.) As one reaches the age of 60< they become more and more racist - My great grandmother beat the shit out of her NHS carer who came to our house on the basis that she was, and quote: a blackie 3.) We are far too lazy to really care, talking about the majority of the people now, not the people who argue this on forums, about any other culture/religion unless the consumption of alcohol - preferably lager. But in all seriousness, I think this is the last generation that we will be seeing this, in my primary school (elementary school) I was one of 4 kids with "British White" as their ethnicity, out of 2, 30 kid classes, so obviously alot of attention is being paid to the festivals and customs of foreign ways, this is in London at least, so most kids will grow up understanding and adjusting to a way of life with a massive mix of culture, so while Islam isn't compatible with our way of life now, I think 'our way of life' will change and adapt to Islam. I don't want this (I'm not racist I just don't think that refugees and immigrants should be able to influence our way of life, it's because the fucking Somalians fuck like rabbi...I mean, Islamic people on average have more kids, each kid having a more ridiculous and unpronounceable name...I mean each kid with a name from the Islamic culture) - That's my twopence at least

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39345595]Nope, no contemporary records of Jesus existed during his lifetime. The first written sources to mention the religion didn't occur for another few decades (or are "copies" of older sources) and the first actual sources to mention Jesus by name are from even later.[/QUOTE] The quran mentions Jesus more times than Muhammad so it must be true.

[QUOTE=BloodRayne;39345636]You didn't add a verse or chapter, you could have just made that up.[/QUOTE] Its from Deuteronomy 7:16-24 NLT, part of the hebrew bible.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;39345697]I do find it entertaining that a bunch of privileged white kids make sweeping judgments on the scary brown people. [/QUOTE] Excuse me was that an insult thrown towards me or are you making a point against somebody else?

[QUOTE=Valnar;39345718]Its from Deuteronomy 7:16-24 NLT, part of the hebrew bible.[/QUOTE] So your quoting the jewish part that does not exist in the christian bible. Okay. But Jesus came and attacked all that was corrupt thus the christian religion was born. So that verse is not christian but jewish\corrupt.

I like how you are actually asking for "reliable evidence" of the existence of a guy who lived about 2000 years ago. You do know there are barely any "reliable evidence", apart from common culture and myths, of the existence of a lot of people of that era, right ? It doesn't make them any less real. Even Ponce Pilate was barely mentioned and there is almost no text left talking about him back then, all of the text speaking of the guy having been written by either Jews or Christians. Following your logic, this should completely invalidate the very existence of him as well. Jesus of Nazareth was based on SOMETHING. I doubt people actually went ahead and made up the story of a charismatic guy who went around doing fortune-telling until he got enough friends to start a cult along with the christian myth of a man who resurrected after getting nailed to a cross and speared through the stomach. Stop being such a skeptical idiot who's trying to be as doubtful as possible, even at things that, without any sort of religious beliefs, are still considered as true by a majority of people, just to have the satisfaction of not following the masses. [editline]24th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;39345734]Excuse me was that an insult thrown towards me or are you making a point against somebody else?[/QUOTE] Probably more like BloodRayne over here who's trying his best to prove Muslims are a race of world-conquering barbarians that are here to steal his shit.

why do people think the muslamics are taking over i thought the immigrants from eastern europe constituted the majority of newcomers

[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;39345734]Excuse me was that an insult thrown towards me or are you making a point against somebody else?[/QUOTE] it was a general statement.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39345789]why do people think the muslamics are taking over i thought the immigrants from eastern europe constituted the majority of newcomers[/QUOTE] Are you real

[QUOTE=BloodRayne;39345770]So your quoting the jewish part that does not exist in the christian bible. Okay. But Jesus came and attacked all that was corrupt thus the christian religion was born. So that verse is not christian but jewish\corrupt.[/QUOTE] I'm saying that you can find quotes from any of the abrahamic bibles that seem evil. Are you saying that Judaism is a warring religion too? But if you want one that is specifically from the new testament. [Quote]For there are many insubordinate men, empty talkers and deceivers, especially the circumcision party; they must be silenced ...(Titus 1:10-11)[/Quote]

[QUOTE=BloodRayne;39345770]So your quoting the jewish part that does not exist in the christian bible. Okay. But Jesus came and attacked all that was corrupt thus the christian religion was born. So that verse is not christian but jewish\corrupt.[/QUOTE] Are you christian or am I just mistaking your idiocy with something else

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;39345773]I like how you are actually asking for "reliable evidence" of the existence of a guy who lived about 2000 years ago. You do know there are barely any "reliable evidence", apart from common culture and myths, of the existence of a lot of people of that era, right ? It doesn't make them any less real. Even Ponce Pilate was barely mentioned and there is almost no text left talking about him back then, all of the text speaking of the guy having been written by either Jews or Christians. Following your logic, this should completely invalidate the very existence of him as well. Jesus of Nazareth was based on SOMETHING. I doubt people actually went ahead and made up the story of a charismatic guy who went around doing fortune-telling until he got enough friends to start a cult along with the christian myth of a man who resurrected after getting nailed to a cross and speared through the stomach. Stop being such a skeptical idiot who's trying to be as doubtful as possible, even at things that, without any sort of religious beliefs, are still considered as true by a majority of people, just to have the satisfaction of not following the masses. [editline]24th January 2013[/editline] Probably more like BloodRayne over here who's trying his best to prove Muslims are a race of world-conquering barbarians that are here to steal his shit.[/QUOTE] I never said they were world-conquering barbarians. Don't miss quote me and spread shit. I don't mind muslims as previously stated just islam i have issues with.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;39345773]I like how you are actually asking for "reliable evidence" of the existence of a guy who lived about 2000 years ago. You do know there are barely any "reliable evidence", apart from common culture and myths, of the existence of a lot of people of that era, right ? It doesn't make them any less real. Even Ponce Pilate was barely mentioned and there is almost no text left talking about him back then, all of the text speaking of the guy having been written by either Jews or Christians. Following your logic, this should completely invalidate the very existence of him as well. Jesus of Nazareth was based on SOMETHING. I doubt people actually went ahead and made up the story of a charismatic guy who went around doing fortune-telling until he got enough friends to start a cult along with the christian myth of a man who resurrected after getting nailed to a cross and speared through the stomach.[/quote] Christianity evolved out of Judaism sometime during the 1st century AD and remained as a cult following for a few more decades when it suddenly exploded like Scientology. Pretty much the whole of the (official) new testament is written centuries after Jesus supposedly lived. No contemporary records mentioned Jesus by name, and I distrust a book that was pieced together over several centuries (with the bad bits rid of). Ever heard of Arianism? Cathars? Fraticellis? Lollards? Waldensians? These were all people who had a slightly different view of things long before the reformation. [quote]Stop being such a skeptical idiot who's trying to be as doubtful as possible, even at things that, without any sort of religious beliefs, are still considered as true by a majority of people, just to have the satisfaction of not following the masses.[/QUOTE] just because you believe in it doesnt make it true i could say "a teapot flies around mars" and believe in it

[QUOTE=BloodRayne;39345838]I never said they were world-conquering barbarians. Don't miss quote me and spread shit. I don't mind muslims as previously stated just islam i have issues with.[/QUOTE] This doesn't make any sense. A Muslim is by definition a follower of Islam. Just like a Catholic is a follower of the Christian Catholic religion and so forth. This is like saying you don't mind Jews but you have an issue with Judaism.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;39345818]Are you christian or am I just mistaking your idiocy with something else[/QUOTE] Atheist. Go read a book about the cometh of Jesus. He comes and removes corruption that he sees (Disproving the hewbrews bible as that verse appears corrupt and i don't think it's in the new testament) Educate yourself as you clearly think yourself a bigot.

That's odd, I thought the majority of the UK was Muslim.

[QUOTE=James xX;39344219]Personally, and without sounding racist, I think if they move to Britain, they should be prepared to live how the rest of the population lives their lives, and not how their ancestors did.[/QUOTE] The only issue I see is the violent Muslims among them. Other than that I don't see why they can't stay or keep their culture/religion.

[QUOTE=BloodRayne;39345838]I never said they were world-conquering barbarians. Don't miss quote me and spread shit. I don't mind muslims as previously stated just islam i have issues with.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=BloodRayne;39344913]You mean why come to europe? To islamify europe, for so long islam has wanted to conquer europe now it can do it through legal means other than war. e.g. Spain.[/QUOTE] And a Muslim is a follower of Islam.

[QUOTE=BloodRayne;39345867]Athiest.[/quote] Good job not even being able to write Atheist correctly. It's funny because most of the people I've seen who call themselves "athiests" (not atheists, mind you) tend to be huge jackasses who just speak shit because it makes them feel superior about something. I bet you're also a vegan.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;39345863]This doesn't make any sense. A Muslim is by definition a follower of Islam. Just like a Catholic is a follower of the Christian Catholic religion and so forth. This is like saying you don't mind Jews but you have an issue with Judaism.[/QUOTE] No it's not, it's saying he's tolerant of the followers but has issues with certain aspects of the faith, for example: I have a Jewish friend, I like him, he's p.cool, but I don't like the fact that Judaism dictates he be circumcised. Another? I have a Muslim friend, I like him, he's p.cool, but I don't like the fact that Islam dictates he must fast for however many days Muslims fast during Ramadan or Eid

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;39345896]Good job not even being able to write Atheist correctly. It's funny because most of the people I've seen who call themselves "athiests" (not atheists, mind you) tend to be huge jackasses who just speak shit because it makes them feel superior about something. I bet you're also a vegan.[/QUOTE] regardless of the ad hominen attacks, you still have given the following as evidence for Jesus Christ existing: 1. Fuck 2. All

also Ganerumo since your are generalizing atheists, where do you stand on religion?

[QUOTE=georgeface;39345921]also Ganerumo since your are generalizing atheists, where do you stand on religion?[/QUOTE] I'm not generalizing Atheists at all, just making a remark that everyone I've seen who can't actually write Atheist has also tended to be a major dipshit. And since I don't really believe in any god I guess I'd be considered an Atheist or an Agnostic, if I cared enough to ask to be called one of these. The thing is I'm respectful enough of other people's religions not to spit on them and I'm curious enough to actually read about these religions.

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;39345883]And a Muslim is a follower of Islam.[/QUOTE] Just because someone is a Muslim does not mean they have to practice it. Hell many of Christians don't practice Christianity. Like wise just because someone in 1942 was german does not mean they want to irradicate jews because the nazis were in power. A person in this case a muslim does not have to believe everything in their religion and thats why there's many different forms of Christianity (Catholism, Protestantism) and Islam, (Sunni, Shia, Sufism.)